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Delta Restarts JFK-PDX Nonstop April 2007  
User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4927 posts, RR: 25
Posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6701 times:
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After a few years' hiatus, DL will be returning to the JFK-PDX market starting April 19, 2007 with a daily 738 flight:

http://biz.yahoo.com/pz/070110/111695.html

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User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3489 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6691 times:

It's about time! I was wondering when DL was going to bring this route back. JFK now has Western service to: SEA, PDX, SFO, LAX, SAN, LAS, SLC, and PHX. Pretty good, now all we need back is JFK-DEN service (would the ERJ-170 be a good fit for this route?). Good luck to Delta! Only problem is the times. JFK-PDX connects with arriving European traffic but the PDX-JFK redeye doesn't, which could be a problem.

Jeremy

[Edited 2007-01-10 23:03:15]

User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3952 posts, RR: 28
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6683 times:

What sense does it make to make such a big deal about their JFK hub with connections to all of Europe, Africa, India etc... when the flight doesn't connect to any of those departures? If I was flying to Europe from PDX, I certainly wouldn't fly on a red eye to JFK, sit all day and then take another red eye to Europe!


AZJ


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4927 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6691 times:
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Quoting SESGDL (Reply 1):
Only problem is the times. JFK-PDX connects with arriving European traffic but the PDX-JFK redeye doesn't, which could be a problem.

Same situation as the JFK-SAN restart recently - probably an aircraft utilization issue. In the meantime, SAN-JFK has been switched from a redeye to a day flight that connects nicely with the European flights.


User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4107 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6685 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 1):
Pretty good, now all we need back is JFK-DEN service (would the ERJ-170 be a good fit for this route?). Good luck to Delta!

http://news.delta.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=10514

Quoting Delta.com News:
NEW YORK, Jan. 10, 2007 -- Delta Air Lines customers this spring will have one more reason to choose Delta's growing New York hub for transcontinental travel as the airline adds new nonstop service between New York's Kennedy Airport and Portland, Oregon, effective April 19, 2007. The daily round-trip flight complements Delta's existing transcontinental routes from JFK to San Francisco, Seattle, Las Vegas, San Diego, Los Angeles, Salt Lake City and Phoenix (starting Feb. 15).
"As part of Delta's continued expansion at our New York hub, we're offering customers the convenience of nonstop service to key transcontinental destinations, including Portland," said Bob Cortelyou, vice president -- Network Planning at Delta. "Additionally, our Oregon customers will be able to take advantage of our strong international connections from our hub at New York's JFK airport, including new nonstop service to Europe, Africa, India and the Caribbean."

I think if they brought back JFK-DEN, it would likewise be on a 738. It would be a competing route with UA, but as for now DEN passengers on DL can connect via CVG or ATL.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16885 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6676 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 4):
I think if they brought back JFK-DEN, it would likewise be on a 738. It would be a competing route with UA

How's that, UAL only serves Denver from EWR and LGA.



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User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3108 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6667 times:

Too bad it's a red-eye; PDX currently only has 1x daily flight to JFK, and it's a red-eye on B6. I think a daylight flight would be at an advantage, in addition to offering additional connecting options across the Atlantic. However, this may be an aircraft allocation issue as a daylight flight ties up a whole plane, while red-eyes can fly up and down the East Coast all day (or to the Caribbean) before going back west. That said, there will still be connecting opportunities in the Northeast, as well as additional options for folks coming back FROM Europe.

Either way, good news for PDX. They need more service to the East Coast. This route should have come back sooner.


User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4107 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6621 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 5):
How's that, UAL only serves Denver from EWR and LGA.

 checkmark  You're correct, the only JFK service from DEN listed is via IAD. DL should look at this one sooner than later. Just a/c availability.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33052 posts, RR: 71
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6601 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 7):

checkmark You're correct, the only JFK service from DEN listed is via IAD. DL should look at this one sooner than later. Just a/c availability.

jetBlue flies it. Not that that will stop Delta from entering it for the third time, but the market is not unserved.



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User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6595 times:

The NYC-PDX market is nicely served. A lot of people wondered why AS did not start PDX-EWR, now I think with DL adding to the mix of B6 and CO, AS won't be starting it anytime soon.

User currently offlineManny From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6549 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 1):
Pretty good, now all we need back is JFK-DEN service (would the ERJ-170 be a good fit for this route?).



Quoting STT757 (Reply 5):
How's that, UAL only serves Denver from EWR and LGA.

Correct. Only B6 operates 2 daily nonstop flights on the DEN-JFK route.


User currently offlineBlrBird From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 579 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6549 times:

Looks like 2007 is turning out to be good year for PDX!


from star dust....
User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6530 times:

Anyone notice the times?

Flight Departs Arrives
------ ------------------------- -------------------------
697 New York-JFK at 6:50 p.m. Portland at 10:28 p.m.
------ ------------------------- -------------------------
696 Portland at 10:55 p.m. New York-JFK at 7:14 a.m.

A 27 minute turnaround? Or will another aircraft from someplace else operate the PDX-JFK leg?


User currently offlineMastaHanky From United States of America, joined May 2006, 264 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6486 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 12):
A 27 minute turnaround? Or will another aircraft from someplace else operate the PDX-JFK leg?

Looks like the last SLC-PDX flight of the day is on a 738 and gets in at 9:50 pm, which is about normal turnaround time. They probably use that one.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5472 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6480 times:

Quoting Panamair (Reply 3):
Same situation as the JFK-SAN restart recently - probably an aircraft utilization issue. In the meantime, SAN-JFK has been switched from a redeye to a day flight that connects nicely with the European flights.

You beat me to it, Panam; the only thing I will add for the Portland-folks is that it didn't take very long for DL to adjust the SAN flight to the perfect time it now is -- about 3 months (route restarted 6/8/06, new improved times started 9/6 and u/g to a 752 11/03!)

With B6 dumping all their resources into one route this Spring (that other West Coast city south of PDX) I would be surprised if they increase PDX service in response to this action...  Sad

Another big feather in PDX's cap!

bb


User currently offlineLawnDart From United States of America, joined May 2005, 970 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6444 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 12):
A 27 minute turnaround?

Take that, Southwest!!!

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 12):
Or will another aircraft from someplace else operate the PDX-JFK leg?

Yes...


User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6426 times:

Very interesting. The only bennifit to taking the red eye, would be the connection to east coast cities. It's nice to see so many options out of PDX, finally!!!

A big year indeed, for PDX. First AS announces BOS and MCO, now Delta announces JFK. I wonder what's next?


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5472 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6391 times:

Since exactly the same thing happened in SAN, it just occurred to me that perhaps DL likes to go in head-to-head with B6 (roundtrip) just to stir things up, then when things shake out a bit, they put the flight where it really should be (morning West Coast departure with a/c RON.)

Just a thought.

bb


User currently offlineLHPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 412 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6365 times:

Wow..What a great year for PDX! Congratulations Delta and Alaska for adding new service to PDX..................

User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20746 posts, RR: 62
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6355 times:

In its previous incarnation, the PDX-JFK service was timed to meet the bank of Asian flights ex-PDX. A morning departure from JFK, with an early afternoon departure out of PDX.

It's certainly nice to see Delta resume some service to PDX (where they used to command a huge share of the market after the merger with Western and their Asian hub). The red-eye departure will certainly put them at a disadvantage, from both the competition against JetBlue and the lack of European connections on the outbound, but if it's simply an aircraft availability issue and they quickly realign it like the posters above indicate what happened with their new service at SAN, they certainly stand a good chance of success, in my opinion.

I find it surprising that we're getting new red-eye nonstops to the east (JFK and MCO), when AA just last month discontinued their long-standing red-eye to DFW, leaving only codeshares on AS to SFO or LAX if you want to travel past 3PM on AA.



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5472 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6248 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 19):
...when AA just last month discontinued their long-standing red-eye to DFW...

Aero, if I may again draw from another SAN-similarity, altho AA has never (or at least not for a very long time) operated a DFW red-eye from Lindbergh, we have had an on-and-off ORD red-eye which is currently "on" again. They dropped an afternoon flt and replaced it with a 23:00 departure (which is right on top of a UA doing the same thing.) I don't know the PDX sked's enough to know if this is maybe what they did there (in reverse.) Did they drop a DFW-PDX also? (Looks like currently there are 4 r/t PDX-DFW.)

One last thought: I think part of the reason a SAN-DFW red-eye is not desirable is our airport's departure curfew (11:30 PM) which would require a departure at about 11, arriving in DFW sometime in the 3 AM hour. That's pretty early even for the early bank of connections. I know that isn't the case at PDX (no curfew, longer flight time) but maybe the timing prohibited some connection possibilities.

Just a couple of thoughts...

bb


User currently offlineBosWashSprStar From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6189 times:

Do the 738s have/are they getting the new seatback IFE?

User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20746 posts, RR: 62
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5961 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 20):
I don't know the PDX sked's enough to know if this is maybe what they did there (in reverse.) Did they drop a DFW-PDX also? (Looks like currently there are 4 r/t PDX-DFW.)

Yes, we're down from 5 DFW flights previous to Dec 14th, but so far maintaining the 2 flights to ORD. The late DFW-PDX flight was also dropped, so the latest flight to PDX is at 6:10pm instead of 9:05pm, and our evening flight from ORD was retimed from 7:05pm to 8:20pm (making the meal in First a snack instead of the full dinner service). We haven't had a red-eye on AA to the northern midwest since 2002(?). TWA used to run a morning, noon and midnight service to STL, but we lost the last of our STL service sometime after the summer of 2003.

AA has really pulled back in PDX. They eliminated all the RenoAir and TWA routes we used to have, and who knows what they'll do with our remaining 6 flights.



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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5918 times:

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 16):
Very interesting. The only bennifit to taking the red eye, would be the connection to east coast cities. It's nice to see so many options out of PDX, finally!!!

It must be aimed at this as well as business travelers going direct from PDX to New York City (not losing a whole work-day by traveling during the day). Can't see too many people wanting leave on a redeye into JFK from PDX, sit around all day, and then redeye to Europe the following evening.


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4927 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5907 times:
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Quoting BosWashSprStar (Reply 21):
Do the 738s have/are they getting the new seatback IFE?

I'm not exactly sure of the retrofit status but some 738s will have the new seatback PTVs by the time these new transcons start - should have some ready by February since JFK-PHX starts.


25 Post contains links and images Stirling : Their numbers month-to-date, and year-to-year show a slight increase in passengers, about 2,000 above NOV05, and 49,000 YTD 06 to 05. But dig a littl
26 DAL767400ER : Yes, they are getting the new IFE, like all of the transcons out of JFK. As an FYI, remember when DL officially announced those new SONG-itized inter
27 EXAAUADL : DL is out of gates in the evening for JFK. I also think PHX is poorly timed for European connections
28 LHPDX : Is there anything else brewing up for PDX in 2007? A record 14.000,000 passengers a year seem to be our magic number for new services........
29 Stirling : I don't know if it is on the "Official" radar, but I'd LOVE to see: AMS, YYZ, LGW, CDG, YYC, KIX, SEL, HKG, in that order. 14 million O/D passengers
30 AeroWesty : My needs are small. I'd like to see: Domestic: -LAX nonstop on WN (let's stop all these ridiculous one-stop and connection deals) -JFK (as in the rea
31 S12PPL : I'd like to see PDX get maybe some more Canada flights, if the demand is there. It seems under served out of PDX. AC would be a welcome sight to PDX!
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