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User currently offlineDFWMzuri From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 248 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3261 times:

Someone told me today that since AA didn't get the DFW to Beijing route they wanted that they were going to start a DFW to India non-stop. This person didn't know which Indian city. Has anyone else heard this? I did a Google news search but didn't see anything.

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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3256 times:

It would encounter the same issues, and I don't think AA has any aircraft that could fly any routes I can think of.

NS


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32740 posts, RR: 72
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3247 times:

Absolutley not true. The reason that they had to change their proposal for Dallas-Beijing service is because Dallas-Beijing was too long a route for their pilots to agree to. Not only is Dallas-India even longer, but I doubt their 777s can make the route.

American Airlines is looking at adding a second route to India from O'Hare, not Dallas, as reported by Indian newspapers a few weeks ago. Another rumour is that they are looking at Miami-South Africa. Until then, the two 777s that were going to be used for Dallas-Beijing are currently on New York City-Buenos Aires. They will either stay on that route for the summer, or, more likely, be moved to Miami-Santiago de Chile or Miami-Rio de Janeiro. There will hopefully be a "big" new route announced over the summer to launch next winter, and I would guess Miami-Jo'Burg or O'Hare-Mumbai.



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User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1539 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3156 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
and I would guess Miami-Jo'Burg or O'Hare-Mumbai.

Both of these destinations are out of a 777's range. I was under the impression that American was going to try to go nonstop to Cape Town from Miami instead of trying a one-stop.

O'Hare-Mumbai sounds good, but the plane is going to go out with a weight penalty every time.


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32740 posts, RR: 72
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3123 times:

Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 3):
Both of these destinations are out of a 777's range. I was under the impression that American was going to try to go nonstop to Cape Town from Miami instead of trying a one-stop.

Miami would operate via a third point, as you say, it can't be done non-stop. The rumours have been pointing out a stop in West Africa, rather than Cape Town. I know it would be a money maker, but I don't see a conservative airline like AA taking the "risk" to go into Africa, even though Africa routes print money.

ORD-BOM is stretching the 777s range, but because it is polar, I believe a 777 can do it, but I don't know much about AA's 777s ranges', so I have no idea how the range issues would work out.

Also, let us not forget there is another option: American Airlines will most likely be applying for another US-China route to start in spring 2008, so they very likely might do nothing if they think they have a shot. However, I'm sure many at AA will see it as a long shot. Since it is open to carriers that don't already have flights to China, Delta is a huge lead in that race.

[Edited 2007-01-11 01:03:05]


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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7583 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3105 times:

AA needs to do some international expansion from DFW. I would like to see an additional European destination from DFW.


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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32740 posts, RR: 72
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3097 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 5):
AA needs to do some international expansion from DFW. I would like to see an additional European destination from DFW.

They don't need to at all. Dallas is in a poor geographic position for international connections and does not offer as strong international traffic as Chicago, Miami, and New York City. Most international expansion will continue from those cities, because that is where the demand is.



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8344 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3011 times:
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DFw to India would bring up the same issue about how long the flight is with the pilots. Miami to South Africa beyond the range of a 777 ? I doubt it, SAA flew Miami-CPT both ways nonstop with a 744, it is 7700 miles. ORD to Delhi is about 15 hours so a 14 hour flight to Capetown from MIA should be within the limits of AA's LONG legged Rolls powered 777-200ER's. IF its a problem then the time has come to call the Boeing sales team and order 777-200LR's. AA to South Africa should happena and will happen from Miami as well as I hope JFK.

User currently offlineAirbusfanYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1434 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2974 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):

ORD-BOM is stretching the 777s range, but because it is polar, I believe a 777 can do it, but I don't know much about AA's 777s ranges', so I have no idea how the range issues would work out.

But wouldn't the weight penalty negate the economic viability of this route?

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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7583 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2907 times:

Out of curiosity why go from MIA? Why not JFK? Its a much larger market and they are roughly equidestant. MIA is slightly closer to CPT and JFK is slightly closer to JNB.


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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2920 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2886 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 9):
Out of curiosity why go from MIA? Why not JFK? Its a much larger market and they are roughly equidestant. MIA is slightly closer to CPT and JFK is slightly closer to JNB.

1. MIA is a larger operation than JFK for AA
2. There is substantial (and high yielding) traffic between South Florida and South Africa
3. AA would have the market to themselves


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32740 posts, RR: 72
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2875 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 9):
Out of curiosity why go from MIA? Why not JFK? Its a much larger market and they are roughly equidestant. MIA is slightly closer to CPT and JFK is slightly closer to JNB.

JFK is already served from South Africa. Miami has no non-stops to South Africa, has the largest South African community in the US, and is a major AA hub that is well positioned for US-Africa connecting traffic. Why compete with SAA when you can win over the local Miami-South Africa market and fill up the flight easily with connections+local traffic? In the end, it doesn't matter, as much as I want it to happen, I don't think AA is going to be flying to Africa (South Africa or anywhere else) while they sit and watch Delta (and possibly others) expand into this goldmine.

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 7):
DFw to India would bring up the same issue about how long the flight is with the pilots. Miami to South Africa beyond the range of a 777 ? I doubt it, SAA flew Miami-CPT both ways nonstop with a 744, it is 7700 miles.

MIA-CPT is within range, but still stretching it due to headwinds.



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User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1539 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2659 times:

Quoting AirbusfanYYZ (Reply 8):
But wouldn't the weight penalty negate the economic viability of this route?

Not if the yield and the right mix of cargo and passengers can be acheived. But you're probably spot on, it'll be a whole lot of fun for the number crunchers to figure out.


User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5249 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2619 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
There will hopefully be a "big" new route announced over the summer to launch next winter, and I would guess Miami-Jo'Burg or O'Hare-Mumbai.

I'm wondering if ORD-BOM nonstop wouldn't face the same problems with the pilots that DFW-PEK did. With it being quite a bit longer than DFW-PEK and, if announced, the longest nonstop route that AA will fly, could the pilots possibly stonewall this one as well? It would be strange given the pilots already agree to fly ORD-DEL but it is a possibility IMHO. What are everyone else's thoughts?

[Edited 2007-01-11 08:48:49]


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