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Adam Air Flight: Some Debris Located 3  
User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4162 posts, RR: 89
Posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 23129 times:
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Reports indicate that some wreckage of the Adam Air flight which lost radar contact on January 1 has been located.

By Berni Moestafa

Jan. 11 (Bloomberg) -- Part of the wreckage from an Indonesian passenger jet that disappeared Jan. 1 with 102 people on board was found off the coast of South Sulawesi, the government said.

A fisherman yesterday found part of a plane about 300 meters (1,000 feet) from the shore in Pare Pare, in South Sulawesi province, said Anung Sutanto, an officer at the Indonesian navy's search and rescue center in Makassar. Authorities had last contact with the plane in the waters off the Mamuju town, some 200 kilometers north of Pare Pare.

''You've seen the television reports,'' Hartono, Adam Air's director of safety and security, said in a telephone interview.


http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a32RdJRauVr0

This thread follows on from the previous 2 threads linked below;

Adam Air Flight Loses Contact During Flight and

Adam Air Flight Loses Contact During Flight 2

Please continue here from those 2 threads.


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User currently offlineElectech6299 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 616 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 23108 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
A fisherman yesterday found part of a plane about 300 meters (1,000 feet) from the shore in Pare Pare, in South Sulawesi province, said Anung Sutanto, an officer at the Indonesian navy's search and rescue center in Makassar. Authorities had last contact with the plane in the waters off the Mamuju town, some 200 kilometers north of Pare Pare.

This just doesn't make sense...The plane was going northeast from Mamuju. I wonder how big the piece of the tail is? If it was small (rudder or elevator trim tab?) perhaps this is not the location of the wreckage but merely the first clue? Seems like this piece may have washed far from the crash, or perhaps broken from the aircraft in flight. I'm interested in the other search area in the Makassar strait, northwest of Mamuju.

Here's a map for reference- earlier reports suggested the aircraft was last known flying at 037 at FL350 from Mamuju when it left radar. The only active radar in the area is Makassar.


[Edited 2007-01-11 09:10:50]


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User currently offlineKretek From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 23069 times:

Metro TV (Jakarta) is showing an uncensored scene of a floating body in the port of Pare Pare, South Sulawesi. A woman, body quite bloated with blood coming from nose/mouth wearing green top and purple pink trousers aged about 40's. Very graphic. If this was overseas, her face would have been censored. A caller called Metro TV, cried, thought the body may be her friend but was not 100% sure just by looking at the bloated face on tv.
That is the latest breaking news here in Indonesia (noon local time).


User currently offlineElectech6299 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 616 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 23020 times:

Quoting Kretek (Reply 2):
Metro TV (Jakarta) is showing an uncensored scene of a floating body in the port of Pare Pare

Quite tragic- may she rest in peace. If that was one of the pax then I guess my in-flight theory is off. We have to wonder how far the debris has floated and from where. 8 days is a long time, the main wreckage could be hundreds of km away.



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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 23014 times:

In addition to bodies, Metro TV has shown pictures of an airplane seat and an orange life jacket found in waters near where the tail piece was found

Also,

A U.S. Navy oceanographic survey ship arrived Wednesday in an area 125 miles from where the tail piece was found to determine whether separate metal objects found on the seabed there were also wreckage from the plane. The results of the U.S. investigation have not yet been made public.



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User currently offlineElectech6299 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 616 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 23001 times:

Quoting Stirling (Reply 4):
In addition to bodies, Metro TV has shown pictures of an airplane seat and an orange life jacket found in waters near where the tail piece was found

You beat me to it. The tail piece was a 1-meter long piece of the horizontal stabilizer.

Quote:
The piece of tail from Adam Air Flight KI-574 was recovered Wednesday in the Makassar Strait, 300 yards off Sulawesi Island's western coast, said Eddy Suyanto, the head of search and rescue operations.

Suyanto told reporters the serial number on the yard-long tail stabilizer matched the one given to the search and rescue teams by Boeing...."The part is a tail horizontal stabilizer, the right side, with a length of about one meter (yard)."

Metro TV showed pictures of a commercial airplane seat and an orange life jacket found in waters near where the tail piece was found. They were apparently from the missing plane.

from this link

edit: link

[Edited 2007-01-11 09:25:26]


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User currently offlineElectech6299 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 616 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 22866 times:

More from the AP report:

Quote:
Rear Admiral Moekhlas Sidik, commander of the Eastern Indonesia Fleet, said the Mary Sears had confirmed one of the objects was "round-shaped metal," but that more readings were needed to identify it.

That seems to be in order...it turns out there were a number of WWII naval battles in this area. I guess that means there is lots of potential for "round metal" in these seas.



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User currently offlineKretek From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 22753 times:

Just read the latest news posted by the Jakarta Post:

Commander of the Makassar Air base First Air Marshal Eddy Suyanto said on Thursday that a dead woman, who is found in Parepare port, was not a passenger of the missing Adam Air airplane.

Elshinta radio station quoted Eddy that the clarification of the status of the dead woman was made based on the identification made by the National Search and Rescue Agency.....


Mmm, may be it is the corpse of the ill-fated Senopati ship which sank off Java's coast almost 2 weeks ago.


User currently offline198467 From Singapore, joined Jan 2007, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 22745 times:

Very likely so.. But was it confirmed that the airliner seat and life jacket are from the 737?


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User currently offlineNwafflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1050 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 22583 times:

Somehow, this just seems to get more and more confusing. I really feel for the families.

And, while I sympathize with the local Indonesians here on a.net, more and more I really what a backwards country Indonesia is


User currently offlineJetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 22562 times:

Quoting 198467 (Reply 8):
But was it confirmed that the airliner seat and life jacket are from the 737?

seat - more than likely
life jacket - not as yet (it could be from a ferry)



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User currently onlineJamake1 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1009 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 22442 times:

This piece of wreckage is confirmed to be from the missing aircraft...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6250617.stm



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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4504 posts, RR: 71
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 22336 times:

Quoting Kretek (Reply 2):
Metro TV (Jakarta) is showing an uncensored scene of a floating body in the port of Pare Pare, South Sulawesi. A woman, body quite bloated with blood coming from nose/mouth wearing green top and purple pink trousers aged about 40's. Very graphic.

Indonesian television stations tend to always show very graphic details of disaster and crime stricken people. Switch on your tele around noon and a plethora of crime shows are being aired with dead bodies, often stabbed or heavily mutilated, all over. Quite distasteful and disorienting around lunch time, but the locals seem to enjoy it.


User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2898 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 22106 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
A fisherman yesterday found part of a plane about 300 meters (1,000 feet) from the shore in Pare Pare, in South Sulawesi province, said Anung Sutanto



Local police chief Gatot Haryanto told Metro the plane parts recovered Thursday were spread over a 400-metre radius. Scores of officers, fishermen and people living on the coast were looking for more debris.

http://www.canada.com/montrealgazett...7df-46bf-ab5d-59f0f9d3e692&k=15260

Some pics from Reuters:










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User currently offlineMERLIN From India, joined Mar 2006, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 20852 times:

Bad real bad and painful..Still no sign of the aircraft? Looking at these debris makes me imagine the pain those people must have had on board..God bless em all.

Indonesian Authorities should make more efforts and go public for help to find the wreck..

rgds
Merlin



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User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 18823 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
''You've seen the television reports,'' Hartono, Adam Air's director of safety and security, said in a telephone interview.

That's just awesome.



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User currently offlineElectech6299 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 616 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 17817 times:

So 15 hours later and no new news?

But some bad press...this time from an AP source:
Crashed Jetliner Found in Indonesia

The article used to say (and still should say) "pieces" or "debris" from missing airliner found.

Quote:
Suyanto said the search would continue for passengers, but added that currents were strong and bodies and debris could have drifted hundreds of miles.

Still the case. I still think the search area northeast of Mamuju is the most likely area.



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User currently offlineNwafflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1050 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 17702 times:

Two questions -- is there any hope now for survivors - that's questions 1, and question 2 is would there have been any hope had the wreckage been located earlier?

User currently offlineElectech6299 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 616 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 17649 times:

Quoting Nwafflyer (Reply 17):
Two questions -- is there any hope now for survivors - that's questions 1, and question 2 is would there have been any hope had the wreckage been located earlier?

At 9 days, any hope for survivors is based only on miracles, and the discovery of internal cockpit and cabin articles pretty much closes it for me. The only way the aircraft could have crashed on land and these items in the water is in-flight break-up or crash on the beach. A beach crash would likely have been spotted by the aerial and naval searches. Given a water landing, I think the only hope now would be if some pax survived the impact and were able to use the slide/rafts. Still unlikely, but I suppose it's possible.

I hope for consolation and closure for the families of the 102 pax.  tombstone 



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User currently offlineJetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 17401 times:

The biggest challenge is to try and find the FDR


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User currently offlineElectech6299 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 616 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 16661 times:

Quoting Jetfuel (Reply 19):
The biggest challenge is to try and find the FDR

They have to find the debris field first...everything that doesn't float is somewhere on the bottom of Makassar Strait.



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User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4755 posts, RR: 26
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 16614 times:

Quoting Nwafflyer (Reply 9):

With the exception of the island of Java (where 2 of the largest cities Jakarta and Surabaya are situated), and to a certain extent Bali, the rest of the country is largely is rather under-developed in terms oif infrastructure and are mainly rural.



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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4504 posts, RR: 71
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 16516 times:

Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 21):
With the exception of the island of Java (where 2 of the largest cities Jakarta and Surabaya are situated), and to a certain extent Bali, the rest of the country is largely is rather under-developed in terms oif infrastructure

Even on the main island of Java infrastructure is not much to talk about except from the main cities of Jakarta and Surabaya and to a lesser extent Jogjakarta. Even in Jakarta, the state electricity company doesn't succeed in guaranteeing electrical power supply, and blackouts are a frequent phenomenon.

As to the search of the remains of the Adam Air plane and its passengers then, the information we have been getting has been very scarce, although it is clear that more pieces have been found by now. Today's Jakarta post is carrying a picture of a fisherman picking up debris from the missing plane on some beach in Sulawesi.


User currently offlineKiwiTEAL From Australia, joined Nov 2005, 253 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 16085 times:

I think we have to assume that its hit the water hard, shattered, and all heavy parts sunk quickly - sadly, taking the pax with it. Debris found are probably from the points of seperation (breaking of the fuselage).

I agree with the poster who said that the Indonesians need to call people in, but unfortunately, they seem to believe they always have it in hand. Like the time of the bombing of the Australian embassy in Jakarta & the Bali bombings - nothing happened until the Australian Federal Police sent in their investigators - then things began to happen.

I'm actually surprised that Australia hasn't already volunteered an investigation team for this?

John
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User currently offlineJetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 16000 times:

PARE-PARE (Southern Sulawesi), Jan 12 (Bernama) -- Up to 26 parts of an Indonesian airliner that went missing on New Year's Day have been found near here but there are no signs of any of the 102 passengers or crew.

The pieces of the Boeing 737-400 aircraft belonging to budget carrier Adam Air were found in the Barru and Pangkep sub-districts. The plane had gone missing while on a flight from Surabaya in Java to Manado in Sulawesi.

After a fisherman found a metre-long part of the tail fin of the plane, local people have been recovering piece after piece of the aircraft along a 18-km stretch of the Polanro Beach, right up to Pare-Pare.

Among the items recovered are pieces of foldable trays, interior lining of doors, fibre from seats, pieces of seats and a camera. Two strands of hair, about 10 cm long, were found stuck to one of the pieces of seat.

Although the recovered parts were from the ill-fated aircraft, a spokesman of the Search and Rescue (SAR) sub-centre in Barru, Lt Kol Pramudya, said today they could only be verified after inspection by the SAR centre at the Makassar air base.

The SAR centre in Makassar has also confirmed that the body of a 40-year-old woman found by fishermen near the wharf here yesterday was not of a passenger from the airliner as her name was not on the flight manifest.

An identity card, which had a 2002 expiry date, found by a fisherman yesterday was also confirmed as not belonging to any of the passengers as the person it belonged to hails from Balik Papan in Kalimantan and was holidaying in Bekasi near Jakarta.

The recovery of the pieces of aircraft has drawn the families of the 96 passengers and six crew to the SAR sub-centre in Barru to find out if any of the items belonged to their relatives who had taken the flight.

One of them, Iwan, told reporters they had been waiting for 12 days and did not have the patience to wait any longer until the recovered items were sent to Makassar for verification. The relative had hired a car to travel about 160km from Makassar.

Meanwhile, Adam Air Director of Safety and Security Kapt Hartono advised the next-of-kin of the passengers to be patient and not to rush to Makassar yet as Adam Air would help fly them to Makassar and provide accommodation as well once there is confirmation on the find.



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25 Ryanair!!! : Remember the flak that Howard got for going into East Timor? Unless it was a full load of Aussies on board, I don't foresee Australia's involvement i
26 KiwiTEAL : Sadly yes I do........ but look how often in the last few years we have had to intervene to sort stuff out. They are so laid back and - basically "no
27 PanAmOldDC8 : Anyone know the depth of the water where the aircraft went down?
28 CX777Fan : Are there any fresh speculations as to what may have made a 737 drop from cruising altitude into the sea? Surely weather wouldn't be that much of an i
29 PanAmOldDC8 : Do we know if there were any high up officials aboard the flight? and could the cause be other than mechanical?
30 Afterburner : Latest news suggest that the woman was not one of the passengers. She was just a local inhabitant who had left home for several days.
31 Jetfuel : The FDR is so critical in the investigation. The rest of the world needs to know if there is an inherent problem with the 737 design or the cause is
32 PanAmOldDC8 : That's my point, if the depth is too deep then the aircraft will never be recovered, that will really be sad for the families, however it will let Ad
33 Jetfuel : Look at what they did with the recovery of the TWA 747. There are way more 737's in the skies than 747's and I just really hope somebody invests the
34 Jasond : Well I guess they are doing their best under the circumstances. Aside from the US Navy that is providing a decent search vessel I don't see a lot of
35 PanAmOldDC8 : I was thinking of the Air India flight that blew up over the Atlantic, the depth was too great for them to recover anything, that is why I am interes
36 Post contains links ANother : They didn't get it all, but they got enough for this http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2004/04/27/airindia040427.html
37 PanAmOldDC8 : They can get up bits, but not the important recorders. That is why a crash in the ocean is so difficult to piece together. The ROV's can only handle
38 2H4 : Unfortunately, that's a good point.... 2H4
39 Zeke : The underwater locator beacons should transmit for 30 days, and are good in the range of depths from 15-25000 ft. If I recall correctly they were abl
40 PanAmOldDC8 : I know all of that technical part, however as a diver for many years and knowing a bit about the ROV'S etc that we have now. Yes you can get stuff of
41 Jasond : Maybe it's a function of how the aircraft hit the water. If it didn't fragment that much i.e. more of a sedate impact, then the amount of debris woul
42 PanAmOldDC8 : I agree with that, however if it was a soft impact why did it go down so quickly? Airplanes can float for a short while, so pax can get off quickly.
43 Jasond : I don't want to over speculate but maybe the hull only fractured in one place, filled with water quickly and pulled it down. That said, I agree that
44 Nwafflyer : While I don't want to go down the conspiracy/terrorist route, there is really something very wrong with this situation. I can't quite put my fingers o
45 PanAmOldDC8 : Maybe the pilots panicked? I have said that before, would like to get a gander at the flight manifest to see who was on board
46 Jasond : Given what's occurred I think any scenario would have scared them, its really a question of how long it lasted.
47 Post contains links Jetfuel : Not a lot of new information forthcoming. I thought I would provide a few links for those that are interested My big concern is doing what is possible
48 HB-IWC : You are of course absolutely right, but you have to read the suggestions of the House commission in light of the fact that, here in Indonesia, it is
49 Jetfuel : I bet they have not stopped to realise that this will ground the majority of the country's airline fleet, incluidng some of the Government owned Garu
50 Jasond : Interesting statement to make don't you think especially coming from an aviation safety specialist. What happens if significant amounts of the aircra
51 Post contains images Pilotaydin : this is very sad, on Jan 1st i took this picture while taxying out to Munich, it was infront of the TK mx hangar in IST....i liked the paintjob so i s
52 Jetfuel : And some wonder why people don't trust Indonesia
53 Post contains links Jetfuel : And another Indonesian 737-200 C crashed at KL this morning. This one operated by http://www.rpxholding.com/product-services.php?service=airlines RPX
54 Electech6299 : from the first thread: A picture of the flight summary and manifest are included. I'm sure if there were any irregularities, our friends in Indonesia
55 Jetfuel : Does anybody know anything about the fuel quantites on board when the a/c departed. I have thought hard about all the possibilites and I am now consid
56 HB-IWC : The aircraft reportedly carried fuel for about 4 hours of flying, which makes sense given that the weather at Manado, the aircraft's destination can
57 PanAmOldDC8 : Thanks, as you said if there was a VIP on board the boys from Indenosia would have spotted it.
58 David L : Besides, I think a fuel shortage would have been communicated to ATC before they actually ran out.
59 YVRLTN : There were similar reactions in Nigeria after the recent ADC crash and it was being stated that the B732 as an aircraft is inherrently unsafe, I poin
60 PanAmOldDC8 : They need a scape goat and will do anything to get the results that they need. Seeing that the Speaker of the House owns the airline then no wrong ca
61 Mandala499 : From the previous thread: and Adam Air normally loads the aircraft with the required fuel. This has been one of the correct practices they do. The fli
62 Mandala499 : He's under attack for this at the moment. Some are accusing he publicly lied by stating he's no longer associated with the airline... Mandala499
63 We're Nuts : This would seem to answer your question. The plane never made it to the ocean, or terra firma for that matter.
64 PanAmOldDC8 : Yeah right I don't have a left arm. I just wish they would find the crash site especially for the relatives. Missed your postings, glad to see you ba
65 Post contains links Jetfuel : http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21059096-1702,00.html ......"RESCUERS have found fragments of human hair and scalp that might come from passenger
66 PanAmOldDC8 : Very interesting. This tells me that there may have been an explosion or implosion on board whether natural or otherwise, because if the flight hit t
67 Post contains links Jetfuel : **nods head agreeing** A couple of other snipits ".....Part of a passenger seat with a serial number on it was found on Sunday ....Troops in a rubber
68 Mandala499 : I doubt we'll get to see a clean and thorough report UNLESS criminal charges are brought in. Public rhetoric has been strong, there are condemnations
69 Post contains images Debonair : You have to look many years back! Also Nigeria banned "old" BAC 1-11 from their duties. But still crashes happen... Why? the age doesn't matter, its
70 Post contains links Jetfuel : Whilst most news stories report that the search of beaches continues I thought this was an interesting article excerpts ...."The industry growth is so
71 Nwafflyer : I really don't understand -- some threads hint at terrorism, or at least internal political something -- some threads talk about maintenance issues. T
72 Ryanair!!! : If the flight was so quiet before going down... no one has yet mentioned of a presurisation problem. Hypoxia could have killed all on board and the pl
73 Post contains images 198467 : Hmmm... But wouldn't the pilots or crew sense that before they are knocked out? Hypoxia does not kill that quick, does it?
74 Lostturttle : Yes it can: Helios Airways Flight 522 Boeing 737-31S flight that crashed on August 14, 2005 due to pressurization problems and crew incapacitation.
75 Litz : Was it ever determined if the altitude warning horn sounded in the Helios crash? I have such a hard time believing that it could possibly be ignored
76 Mandala499 : Is a repeat of Helios possible? yes...likely? dun think so. While a pax who was on the aircraft earlier in the day and another who'd flown on the airc
77 Zeke : With 4 hours of fuel, the CWT would have been empty ? Highly unlikely for the CWT to explode when the aircraft is at cruise altitude due to the cooli
78 Halophila : Not that your hypothesis isn't possible, but it's worthwhile noting that the breakup of scalp etc may also be due to wildlife interaction (i.e. shark
79 YVRLTN : I was thinking something like this, but didnt like to say it on a public forum as it sounded too improbable... however, as you said it, so will i - t
80 Mandala499 : Yes, that's what SHOULD happen... but... Tango-India-India... sad eh... As to fuel tank explosion, I would concur with your opinion. If it went missi
81 Post contains links DingDong : Helios crash is probably better discussed in another topic, but in a nutshell: yes, the Helios crew did hear the horn, and yes, they did do something
82 Ryanair!!! : And the answer to the comments above... You have just answered your own queries...
83 Electech6299 : Keep in mind that ELT signals are not aircraft-specific. One could be from a boat, the other from a private plane or a reflection of the first off of
84 Post contains images Flyorski : That is an interesting hypotheses.....
85 Post contains links Mandala499 : Well, just today, Adam Air was reported to have gone to one of the most critical TV stations, and said they were and had a plan for a new PR campaign
86 PanAmOldDC8 : I couldn't agree with you more. Would like to know the real cause and what really happened. The way it is going suggests to me that the flight will n
87 Mandala499 : Pieces... the rear elevator... relatively clean, with shiny metal rod (presume the hinge)... with seemingly the only damage near the hinge. Emergency
88 PanAmOldDC8 : Question. Would meal trays float? I have tried in my bath tub to float one and the only thing it does is sink, strange. Your assessment please. It se
89 Jetfuel : I reead that one of the ships thought they had found a piece of wreckage that "looked" like the nose cone of a plane. Until they get more sophisticate
90 Electech6299 : There are probably parts from dozens of Japanese dive bombers in the waters of Makassar Strait, not to mention unexploded ordnance. I think the most
91 Post contains images Mandala499 : The elevator... (gulfnews) Skull found yesterday/2 days ago, determined to be of an animal. As to the mealtray, a friend noted he saw on TV one with
92 Richierich : Is the Indonesian government dedicated to finding this aircraft, no matter how long it takes? Or are they likely to simply give up and shrug their sho
93 Nwafflyer : Personnally, now I doubt that the 'real' wreckage will ever be found -- ulterior motives here, something is being either hidden or controlled, and we
94 Jasond : If nothing concrete is found soon my great fear is that efforts to continue to locate the aircraft will wane particularly in the current political env
95 Mandala499 : CRT tubes found... Today an orange box was found but unfortunately was an "emergency ration box" instead of the everwanted blackbox(es)... Mandala499
96 Nwafflyer : And it is now 3 weeks, and still no plane -- this is 2007, it doesn't seem possible. There are conspiracy theories, terrorism theories, governmental i
97 Mandala499 : Well, perhaps someone (NASA?) should do a Synthetic Aperture Radar survey of the land suspected of being the crash site? And the jetfuel must have bee
98 Nwafflyer : What is a Synthetic Aperture Radar survey? And, how would you pick up a jet fuel spill? Would it be like an oil spill, i.e., killing birds and or fish
99 RIXrat : As pilots, we can complain and point out the problems and risk the wrath of management in shady operations. As passengers, I'm afraid that the only a
100 Post contains links Electech6299 : 1) The aircraft would be fitted with an operational ELT, which would be picked up by search vessels within 24 hours. 2) The aircraft would be operati
101 Nwafflyer : Thank you very much, and I will add you to my respected users list --if I read between the lines, Indnoseia will not agree/accept the same criteria fo
102 CX flyboy : Any news about this sonar ship from the US navy which supposedly arrived in the area almost 2 weeks ago? Surely even if they have found nothing, they
103 Post contains links Jetfuel : The British government has sent a ship to help locate for the missing Adam Air jetliner http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=242885 Those
104 Mandala499 : And the parliament's 5th Commission (Transport Committee) is having a field day grilling: 1. minister for transport 2. director general of air commun
105 PanAmOldDC8 : Very sad you have to resort to that, in addition to paying taxes you have to pay the officals under the table, so you are getting hammered both ways.
106 Flyorski : I hope that we can one day know what happened, but it looks like we may never know. I think you are right, in such a situation, we can only vote with
107 Nwafflyer : I suspect we will never know - and that is sad - both for the Indonesian people and for the government -- this is somehow a governmental coverup for a
108 Ryanair!!! : KI was never "respected" and their operations have always been shady at best, since day one. If anything, I feel that the crew should be entitled to
109 Post contains links Zeke : From http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6298195.stm "Indonesia jet 'black boxes' found Some parts of the plane have been found A US ship has loca
110 Flyorski : Great, boxes found, but of course the government will be "unable" to retrieve them..... Let's hope they get some technology to help them retrieve the
111 PanAmOldDC8 : Let's hope for the families sake that they can get them. They are only 5000 ft down and that is not impossible with today's ROV'S. But as you quite r
112 Post contains links Sallecc : Well, at least some real things... I hope something will came up from this: http://www.thejakartapost.com/detail...t.asp?fileid=20070126130030&irec=0
113 PanAmOldDC8 : Whatever they do, they have to do it fast, before they lose the ping
114 Swissy : Agree, should not be a problem however I hope there will be usable data left on them.....
115 Aidan : There is, however, one major different between those "good old days" and now. Now, there is a free press that can report the stories openly and indep
116 Electech6299 : The news I have seen so far has very little on the location. From the Jakarta Post article in reply#112, Any further detail in the local press? I'm g
117 Post contains links 198467 : http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stori...fp_asiapacific/view/254962/1/.html "Financing it is not our responsibility," said Frans Wenas, head of the Nati
118 Nwafflyer : So, and please correct me if I am wrong - the Indnoseian government will not pay for the informationm they feel that Adam Air should make the payment
119 Post contains links Sallecc : Your interpretation is correct, all those guys are just unbelievable... Why should they hurry? Batteries in black boxes will die in just few days: ht
120 Post contains links Justapassenger : Here is a more direct link to the article: http://www.thejakartapost.com/detail...l.asp?fileid=20070129192629&irec=7
121 Post contains links BuyantUkhaa : My vote goes to this one: http://www.thejakartapost.com/detail...l.asp?fileid=20070129192629&irec=9
122 Mandala499 : Just got further info on the last radar contact position, now the general area makes more sense, but why they searched where they searched this month
123 Nwafflyer : Can someone familiar with Indonesia help me a bit with the Geography? Where was the original search? Where has the wreckage been found, and where is t
124 Alessandro : So what´s the deepest sea-depth a blackbox been retrieved from where useful information been able to be extracted from?
125 Post contains links Jetfuel : http://www.amtonline.com/article/article.jsp?siteSection=1&id=3289 .......Indonesia has requested aid from the United States, France and Japan, to rec
126 PanAmOldDC8 : I agree I hope and pray that they will be found and that some sense can be made of this tragedy for the sake of the families. I also hope that the re
127 Nwafflyer : No news? This is both strange and sad. I feel for the people who lost family on the flight, there is no final resolution for them. I also feel for the
128 Nwafflyer : Still no news -- some 48 hours later. Would there be any point in people from North America, South America and Europe boycotting Indonesia until we kn
129 Mandala499 : As much as I'd like to write on the subject, there's a different crisis brewing in the city, that is floods and flashfloods (I almost got swept away b
130 PanAmOldDC8 : Stay safe
131 Mandala499 : OK, floods receding, still got no electricity at my house, staying at a colleague's place. The guys here don't see that as a solution. There are good
132 Lufthansa747 : KI seems to succeed in this part - just flew them CGK-SIN and don't have any complaints about the flight itself... Better experience than RI/SJ altho
133 Jetfuel : National News - February 07, 2007 The Jakarta Post, Jakarta The families of 30 passengers from the Adam Air jetliner that went missing off Sulawesi on
134 LTBEWR : [quote=Jetfuel,reply=133]National News - February 07, 2007 The Jakarta Post, Jakarta The families of 30 passengers from the Adam Air jetliner that wen
135 PanAmOldDC8 : Shows what corruption will do. Free money, they know they won't get it out of Adam Air so pick the easier target Boeing. Really sad what people will
136 Post contains images 198467 : I don't understand why they want to sue Boeing..
137 Nitrohelper : Perhaps Mandala499 could explain in Bahasa to this gentleman that Boeing doesn't make engines. At least he learned the legal method of suing the "dee
138 Mandala499 : When I first read about the lawsuit, I couldn't decide whether to laugh or cry... What evidence are they going to pull out for this? Mr. Haroen should
139 BuyantUkhaa : Based on their experience human error and bad weather never cause any accidents? Oh dear... So it was a single-engine 737? Show me those... How nice
140 Jetfuel : Welcome to the way life is in Indonesia. Nobody ever will accept the blame for anything..... I am just hoping that somehow the flight data and voice
141 PanAmOldDC8 : You know as well as I, that that will never happen. They are going to delay and delay until such time as the recorders will be useless and will provi
142 Post contains images Electech6299 : I think I see this press release in a slightly different light. For the judge to accept the lawsuit, they have to say Ok, grounds for a lawsuit, in th
143 Post contains links Electech6299 : Here's a shot from the second thread..also see reply #79 in the linked thread. http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/318137
144 Mandala499 : Electech, I've got power back on mate... All I can say at the moment is that the info I've received puts it further to the left from my original estim
145 Post contains links Jetfuel : I cannot believe that the aviation community is not outraged about the apparent failure to retrieve the VCR and FDR. Adam Air seems to have made token
146 Mandala499 : Adam Air's business not affected? Should I even bother laughing? Adam Air flights are now frequently cancelled (CGK-PLM and CGK-SRG in particular), cu
147 198467 : Guess Adam Air did not see that coming, did they?
148 Nwafflyer : I guess, those of us on airliners.net, need to make a committment to never fly on Adam Air, and also to warn all friends/families, etc to do the same.
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