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Where Does AF Send Its 744s?  
User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2728 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2968 times:

More and more cities are now served by the 77Ws.I would like to know where AF still dends their 744s? How do they decide between a 744 and a 77W?


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User currently onlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4514 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2935 times:

Currently, the mainline B744s go to YUL, BOS, JFK, MIA, HAV, SDQ, CCS, GIG, DEL, BKK, SGN and HAN with YUL and DEL receiving the 2 remaining non reconfigured 3-class B744s this winter. A couple of B744s remain based at ORY for COI flights for another couple of weeks, but after that all B744s will operate from CDG, and the 2 remaining non reconfigured frames will be withdrawn from the passenger fleet.

Next summer, the B744s will be deployed between CDG and YUL, YYZ, BOS, JFK, ATL, SFO, MIA, MEX, HAV, SDQ, CCS and GIG. All 14 remaining B744s will then be operating in the traditional mainline 40C/393Y configuration.


User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2728 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2927 times:

I heard that from 2008, CDG-MIA will be operated with a 77W.Is that true?


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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7425 posts, RR: 57
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2871 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 2):
I heard that from 2008, CDG-MIA will be operated with a 77W.Is that true?

Air France has announced a few months ago that more B773ER will be added to the fleet. Those B77W will receive a new configuation with J/Y class only to replace the B744 on certain routes like CDG ---> BKK/MIA/GIG/SFO etc ...

The B744 will then be used almost exclusively on existing Leisure/sun destinations (PUJ, SDQ, MRU etc ...) and to open new ones (NAS is rumored).


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2647 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 3):
Those B77W will receive a new configuation with J/Y class only to replace the B744 on certain routes like CDG ---> BKK/MIA/GIG/SFO

Very interesting information. So it means that GIG with shortly get AF B77W? Do you know what is the difference in total number of seats between the 2-class B747NEV and the 2-class B77W?

Do you know why some B747NEV have AVOD in Y and some dont?

Tks,


User currently onlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4514 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2585 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 4):
So it means that GIG with shortly get AF B77W?

The replacement of the 2-class B744s with 2-class B77Ws is still in the planning stage, although it seems that it will eventually happen. I think that the addition of an extra daily A332 service next winter will be a serious boost, though.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 4):
Do you know why some B747NEV have AVOD in Y and some dont?

Only the last 3 delivered B744s have PTVs throughout Y. All NEV B744s have PTVs on the upperdeck where the C-class used to be.


User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2397 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2497 times:

No more 747 on CDG-LAX-PPT

User currently onlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4514 posts, RR: 72
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2321 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 6):
No more 747 on CDG-LAX-PPT

LAX PPT is operated four times weekly (days 4, 5, 6, 7) by an A343, which is ferried in from CDG on day 4 and returns to CDG on day 1. The direct CDG PPT route with B744 has been given up since the beginning of the current winter schedule.


User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2397 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2283 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 7):
LAX PPT is operated four times weekly (days 4, 5, 6, 7) by an A343, which is ferried in from CDG on day 4 and returns to CDG on day 1. The direct CDG PPT route with B744 has been given up since the beginning of the current winter schedule.

Wow! So AF basically basses an A340-300 at LAX? That is pretty cool. However, doesn't that mean that they loose out on PPT-CDG traffic? or does the A343 arrive in time to catch one of the 777 flights into CDG?


User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1860 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2238 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 8):
Wow! So AF basically basses an A340-300 at LAX? That is pretty cool. However, doesn't that mean that they loose out on PPT-CDG traffic? or does the A343 arrive in time to catch one of the 777 flights into CDG?

yes of sure, flights are connected at LAX. In fact, there is no change for PAX who needed to disembark and clear immigration at LAX even if they were just about to re-board the same A/C just after  banghead 


User currently offlineXXXX10 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 777 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2162 times:

Saw a AF 744 at MRU 18/12 not sure if it scheduled or a replacement.

User currently onlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4514 posts, RR: 72
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2152 times:

Quoting XXXX10 (Reply 10):
Saw a AF 744 at MRU 18/12 not sure if it scheduled or a replacement

That's a scheduled service, and AF's CDG MRU service will remain operated with the B744. AF also codeshares with MK on the route.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2048 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 5):
Only the last 3 delivered B744s have PTVs throughout Y. All NEV B744s have PTVs on the upperdeck where the C-class used to be.



Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 5):
The replacement of the 2-class B744s with 2-class B77Ws is still in the planning stage, although it seems that it will eventually happen. I think that the addition of an extra daily A332 service next winter will be a serious boost, though.

Tks for the interesting information, while AF also considers another base in Northeast Brazil instead of expanding operations in GIG. AF will also have to factor in TAM's new operations GIG-CDG.

Rgs,


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8457 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2023 times:
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777-300ER with no First Class for the non-leisure flight to Reunion, Point a Pitre and Fort de France. I hope its 9 abreast in coach and a generous 50 dseats for Busniess Class.

User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2728 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1970 times:

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 13):
777-300ER with no First Class for the non-leisure flight to Reunion, Point a Pitre and Fort de France. I hope its 9 abreast in coach and a generous 50 dseats for Busniess Class.

The config of AF 77W"leisure" is 10 abreast in economy class



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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7425 posts, RR: 57
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1959 times:

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 13):
777-300ER with no First Class for the non-leisure flight to Reunion, Point a Pitre and Fort de France. I hope its 9 abreast in coach and a generous 50 dseats for Busniess Class.

Those future B77W will have a different configuration than those based at ORY.
As they are to be used on the non Leisure/Sun destinations, they will have the same "standards" that the "regular" B77W based at CDG and operated today on the regular long-haul network, except that they won't have any First Class, and will offer a Business Class reduced to 42 seats or so, against 67 on the "Classic" ones, so Y Class will be with a standard 3x3x3 seating.


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