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Boeing Order Update For 1/9/07  
User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5796 posts, RR: 47
Posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6593 times:

http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm

Boeing added 4 X 777 by an unidentified buyer.


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User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6454 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Thread starter):
Boeing added 4 X 777 by an unidentified buyer.

That's a very nice order to start the year with. Perhaps the 20 737s announced by SALE were included in last years count as unidentified.

Has TAM firmed up their commitment already? If not, these could well be it.



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5796 posts, RR: 47
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6380 times:

Quoting Manni (Reply 1):
Perhaps the 20 737s announced by SALE were included in last years count as unidentified.

Yes it was a UFO order made in late December.

Quoting Manni (Reply 1):
Has TAM firmed up their commitment already? If not, these could well be it.

You're right it cold be TAM or Flyington Freighters or even PR. We'll know a a little bit more in early Feb.



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User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6366 times:

Nice way to start 07.

I wonder how many 747-8 orders we will see this year now that LH is on board with the program.



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User currently offlineBeech19 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 936 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6197 times:

Excellent start to the new year.  Smile

My predictions...
737 will sell 400+
747 will sell 75
767 will get the long awaiting KC-X order for 120 frames or so.
777 will top 75
787 will sell 200 frames... many of these will be late Q1 and then many will follow on after rollout and first flights.  Smile

I expect 800+ aircraft this year to be sold.



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User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2720 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6186 times:

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 4):



Quoting Beech19 (Reply 4):

My predictions...
737 will sell 400+
747 will sell 75
767 will get the long awaiting KC-X order for 120 frames or so.
777 will top 75
787 will sell 200 frames... many of these will be late Q1 and then many will follow on after rollout and first flights.

I expect 800+ aircraft this year to be sold.

I hope you are right, but I am not sure about the 767 order.



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User currently offlineBeech19 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 936 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6123 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 5):
I hope you are right, but I am not sure about the 767 order.

What are you not sure of? That they will get it? or the number of frames?

The USAF won't buy a foreign tanker... even if its built here. Let alone the KC330 is too large for NATO bases ect ect... we've all been thru that conversation a couple times. Blah blah...

KC-767 it is. Just watch...



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User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5283 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6075 times:

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 6):
KC-767 it is. Just watch...

Well...isn't the USAF also evaluating a 777-based tanker?


User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5995 times:

Were the 777 UFOs options that were utilised or brand new orders? If so, it must be a smallish airline, not many are ordered in that amount, unless they are just to supplement the current fleet

User currently offlineBeech19 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 936 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5946 times:

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 7):
Well...isn't the USAF also evaluating a 777-based tanker?

Boeing has presented that option (USAF uses two different sized tankers) to replace the KC-10's. The whole time they have been planning on continueing with multiple tankers. The KC767/KC330 is to replace the KC-135 only. Though the KC330 COULD be used to replace KC-10's... i beleive a KC-777 (based on the 772LR/F platform would be the most beneficial.



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User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4370 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5548 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 5):
I hope you are right, but I am not sure about the 767 order



Quoting Beech19 (Reply 4):
Excellent start to the new year.

My predictions...
737 will sell 400+
747 will sell 75
767 will get the long awaiting KC-X order for 120 frames or so.
777 will top 75
787 will sell 200 frames... many of these will be late Q1 and then many will follow on after roll out and first flights.

I expect 800+ aircraft this year to be sold.

I thought from another thread that the 767 program was on hold from the present time. I am not sure though. Please correct me if I am wrong.



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User currently offlineBeech19 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 936 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5521 times:

Quoting Brilondon (Reply 10):
I thought from another thread that the 767 program was on hold from the present time. I am not sure though. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Okay...you are wrong.  Wink

I'm not sure where you would have heard that the 767 program is on hold... How would that work anyways? What would all the 767 mechanics do while the plane they build is "on hold"?

The 767 is moving very SLOWLY... we push one out every 20 days. The last one was a ANA 767.  Smile



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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5490 times:

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 4):

My predictions...
737 will sell 400+
747 will sell 75
767 will get the long awaiting KC-X order for 120 frames or so.
777 will top 75
787 will sell 200 frames... many of these will be late Q1 and then many will follow on after rollout and first flights. Smile

I expect 800+ aircraft this year to be sold.

I think >75 777s is optimistic. The tanker deal might or might not happen. Other than that, it seems likely. I would expect Boeing to sell 600 to 1000 this year.


User currently offlineF14D4ever From United States of America, joined May 2005, 319 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4988 times:

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 4):
747 will sell 75

What tallies do you foresee for the -F and -I?



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User currently offlineBeech19 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 936 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4509 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 12):
I think >75 777s is optimistic.

I tend to be an optimist...

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 12):
The tanker deal might or might not happen.

Is there another option besides WILL or WON'T happen?  duck 

Quoting F14D4ever (Reply 13):
What tallies do you foresee for the -F and -I?

I see a very strong year for 748I perhaps even outselling the 748F this year (but not catching up to F sales) and the 748 program WILL pass the total sales of the A380 program this year.



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8450 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4492 times:
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The Air Force should buy the 777 and forget about the 25 year old 767 design. Boeing should put its eggs in programs with a future and not plead Uncle Sam to keep the 767 program going. The capabilities of teh 777 are far greater then the 767 tankers would be.

User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31234 posts, RR: 85
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4388 times:
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Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 15):
The Air Force should buy the 777 and forget about the 25 year old 767 design. Boeing should put its eggs in programs with a future and not plead Uncle Sam to keep the 767 program going. The capabilities of teh 777 are far greater then the 767 tankers would be.

The problem is the 777 won't fit in hangars and tarmac spaces sized for the current KC-135, so significant retrofitting and even expansion would be required at many bases around the world. The A330 has this issue as well, since her wings are some 13m wider then the 762s...


User currently offlineSafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4376 times:

Is there a breakdown on which 777 model(s) was ordered?

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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4361 times:

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 14):
the 748 program WILL pass the total sales of the A380 program this year.

Assuming you mean total net sales, I'm confident that you're correct.


User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4269 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 16):
The problem is the 777 won't fit in hangars and tarmac spaces sized for the current KC-135, so significant retrofitting and even expansion would be required at many bases around the world. The A330 has this issue as well, since her wings are some 13m wider then the 762s...

 checkmark  Ramp and hangar compatibilty will likely be a major consideration in making this purchase, anyone familiar with the most recent round of "BRAC" (Base Realignment and Closure Commission) hearings can attest to it.


User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2821 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3842 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 12):
I would expect Boeing to sell 600 to 1000 this year.

That's what they said last year. The industry is in the middle of a Lawson boom. Only Boeing joining the European Exchange Rate Mechanism can ruin it.

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 14):
I see a very strong year for 748I perhaps even outselling the 748F this year (but not catching up to F sales) and the 748 program WILL pass the total sales of the A380 program this year.

That might be a little bit optimistic. Certainly in the next couple of years, but I'm not sure about this year.


User currently offlineSinlock From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1650 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3797 times:

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 11):
Quoting Brilondon (Reply 10):
I thought from another thread that the 767 program was on hold from the present time. I am not sure though. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Okay...you are wrong.

I'm not sure where you would have heard that the 767 program is on hold... How would that work anyways? What would all the 767 mechanics do while the plane they build is "on hold"?

The 767 is moving very SLOWLY... we push one out every 20 days. The last one was a ANA 767.

I think he was refering to the US Air Force K-767 program.



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User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3750 times:

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 7):
Well...isn't the USAF also evaluating a 777-based tanker?

Boeing has said they will not aggressively pursue a 777 tanker as it would take 4 years and several Billion $ to develop. The 767 tanker is a proven platform in active service in the Air Forces of Japan and Italy.

The 777 is significantly larger than the Air Force has requested.



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User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5131 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3701 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Thread starter):
Boeing added 4 X 777 by an unidentified buyer.

perhaps NZ's initial 300ER order?


User currently offlineBeech19 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 936 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3551 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 18):
Assuming you mean total net sales, I'm confident that you're correct.

Yes... the total for 748 net program sales will exceed the total A380 net program sales.  Smile In my scenario...

Quoting Sinlock (Reply 21):
I think he was refering to the US Air Force K-767 program.

Ooooo... gotcha. Well... put on hold and put back into a new bidding war actually. The bids are due this month and of course Boeing will have a very good one. Northrop Grumman will put their bid in for the KC330 everyone expects also (dur...).

I beleive Boeing will win this. No question. The issues that arise from having the much larger A330 based tanker being used on NATO bases and other parts of the world, Northrop would have to undercut Boeing by some huge margins so the government could save those billions and refit all the bases/hangars.

I just don't see that happening... The KC-767 fits now and is still more capable than the KC-135's are.



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