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GLS (Galveston) And Commerical Air Service?  
User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3869 posts, RR: 23
Posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4262 times:

About an hour ago I saw a report on a local newscast (Channel 2 for Houston area A.Netters, sorry no link to this story could be found on their site) profiling the booming cruise ship industry from the ports of Houston and Galveston. Aside from the predictable upbeat comments such as "The Houston/ Galveston ports are the fastest growing cruse ship ports in the country" and "That the Texas ports hope to surpass Florida in the coming years", what got me to thinking, what, if any impact this might have on the prospects of restarting commercial aviation from Galveston?

From what some old timers have said , GLS has not had commercial service since the late 60s. If this story is remotely accurate in their reporting, then it seems to me that GLS may me ready to make a comeback. One interesting part of the story was that a sizable number of passengers embarking form Houston or Galveston, drove as opposed to flying into either IAH or HOU, and we are talking from cities as far away as Indianapolis, St Louis and Chicago. Now if the city of Galveston were to toy with the idea or re-opening of GLS to commercial traffic, I wonder if HAS (Houston Airports Systems), might see this as a threat to their cash cow, HOU some 45 miles to the north?

Below is a link to the GLS website

http://www.galvestonairport.com/interior.html

Anyway, I thought I would just throw that out and see what you all thought.

Thomas

[Edited 2007-01-12 00:39:00]


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User currently offline102IAHexpress From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1156 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4225 times:

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Thread starter):
what got me to thinking, what, if any impact this might have on the prospects of restarting commercial aviation from Galveston?

Once the new Bayport Cruise Terminal opens this year I would imagine that most if not all of Galveston's cruise ships will eventually move to Houston, so what little demand the island had for commercial air service will be killed. Rumor is that the city of Houston would not have spent tens of millions of dollars on a new terminal without some assurances from the cruise lines that they would move their operations to Bayport.


User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3869 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4208 times:

Yeah the Bayport terminal was referenced as well as an aerial view of the complex under construction. While there is an agreement between both ports, once Bayport is completed, that agreement probably won't be worth the paper it is written on. That said, Galveston has a bit of a tourist draw, whether it is enough to keep Princess and Carnival and their 3600 pax mega-ships, time will tell.

Back to the topic at hand, should Bayport fail to draw the cruise ship companies and Galveston becomes the main cruise ship port on the Gulf (btw, which port is currently the busiest cruise ship port on the Gulf) , would this give new life to GLS?

Thomas

[Edited 2007-01-12 02:18:43]


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User currently offline102IAHexpress From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1156 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4176 times:

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 2):
That said, Galveston has a bit of a tourist draw

That is debatable. One of the main draws to the city, which quickly wears off, is its tragic history. Indeed, there’s some absolutely beautiful architecture that survived the storm, but most of the city has a reputation for being dirty, with many bad neighborhoods, and of course there is the brown water. But to Galveston’s credit they do realize that they have an image problem and according to this article they are trying to improve it.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/TRAVEL/DESTI...2/18/galveston.image.ap/index.html

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 2):
Back to the topic at hand, should Bayport fail to draw the cruise ship companies and Galveston becomes the main cruise ship port on the Gulf (btw, which port is currently the busiest cruise ship port on the Gulf) , would this give new life to GLS?

I just don’t see commercial air service resuming at GLS, but to be honest I really don’t know that much about that part of town. As far as the busiest cruise port in the Gulf, I think these numbers may help, though they are a bit old.

Quote:

TOP 12 PORTS
World's busiest cruise ports in 2005:
1. Miami, Fla.
2. Port Everglades, Fla.
3. Cozumel, Mexico
4. Port Canaveral, Fla.
5. Nassau, Bahamas
6. George Town,
Grand Cayman
7. St. Thomas
8. San Juan,
Puerto Rico
9. St. Maarten
10. Los Angeles
11. Barcelona, Spain
12. Galveston
Source: Lloyd's Cruise International
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/travel/cruise/3662902.html


User currently offlineDa man From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 887 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4151 times:

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 3):
As far as the busiest cruise port in the Gulf, I think these numbers may help, though they are a bit old.

I think he means the ports where the cruises originate from, not destinations, but even then Galveston would not be #1, but it would certainly be higher than 12.



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User currently offlineATCT From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2223 posts, RR: 39
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4147 times:

Galveston (the city/island) with a few dollars invested would be a beautiful town. Since ive moved to Houston, ive wondered why GLS doesnt have air service. AE could serve it with a Saab from DFW, though I think IAH-GLS would be a pretty useless route as its only an hour-hour 15 minute drive, and only a 30 minute drive from Hobby (HOU). I know Colgan does IAH-BPT which also is a short hop (45-60 minutes drive) so maybe.


I hope Scholes field will get some air service other than PHI and Evergreen Helo's.

ATCT



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User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3869 posts, RR: 23
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4133 times:

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 3):
That is debatable.

That why I used the phrase "A bit of a tourist draw".

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 3):
But to Galveston’s credit they do realize that they have an image problem and according to this article they are trying to improve it.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/TRAVEL/DESTI....html

Indeed if Galveston can get it's act together, it does have a bright future.

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 3):
As far as the busiest cruise port in the Gulf, I think these numbers may help, though they are a bit old.



Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 3):
12. Galveston

So Galveston is the busiest on the US Gulf Coast
[quote=102IAHexpress,reply=3]



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User currently offlineLt-AWACS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4124 times:

I knew plenty of GLS area folks who used to drive to Ellington for the old COex EFD-IAH flight but now that that is gone who knows maybe GLS would work connecting to IAH.

IIRC One cruise line uses Houston now and two use Galveston. Any ideas from that broadcast which might switch or if new boats are coming in?

Was there an attempt at DFW-GLS service in the late 90s early 2000 timeframe? I vaguely remember talk of such service somewhere but cannot find anything online.

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User currently offlineHush-Kit From Germany, joined Sep 2000, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4108 times:

I don't get it... One of the busiest ap in TX, Hobby Airport, is just 20-25 mins away on I-45, and Hobby Airport serves a majority of Galveston cruisers and vacationers. I dare to say that IAH is more far away from Downtown Houston than Galveston from Hobby...So, really, there is no need to shift capacity. Regards, Chris

btw: I am as well quite familiar with the Galveston area...I tied the knot down there and returned there since, and it is has wonderful places and streets, charming cafes and as well naughty bars...


User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3869 posts, RR: 23
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4099 times:

Quoting Lt-AWACS (Reply 7):
IIRC One cruise line uses Houston now and two use Galveston. Any ideas from that broadcast which might switch or if new boats are coming in?

IIIRC, NCL uses Barbours Cut in Houston and Princess and Carnival sail into Galveston. From the broadcast, Houston will begin pouring on the hard sell to Carnival for their 3600pax monster once Bayport is completed this year.

Quoting Lt-AWACS (Reply 7):


Was there an attempt at DFW-GLS service in the late 90s early 2000 timeframe? I vaguely remember talk of such service somewhere but cannot find anything online.

Well according to the report, DFW residents make up the largest market from Texas (c'mon Houstonians, don't let these Dallas guys are beat us on our on turf  wink  ). I am not certain about the DFW/DAL-GLS service though, but considering the amount of cruisers from N. Texas, it seems like a natural.

Thomas



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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4093 times:

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Thread starter):
From what some old timers have said , GLS has not had commercial service since the late 60s.

Hmmm.
I know the primary carrier into Galveston would have been TransTexas (TI), but after that, I am thinking there was a short-lived carrier out there, and into the 1970s.

My home was Dallas from 77-81, and I seem to remember a carrier going down to Galveston from Love Field...but can't find a lick of proof on-line.

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 3):
One of the main draws to the city...

....Is trying to figure out what Glen Campbell was singing about!



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User currently offlineDtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1135 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4079 times:

In April 1972 I flew DTW-IAH-GLS. Flew on a Delta CV880 to IAH. From IAH, I flew on a Texas International DHC6 Twin Otter to GLS. What a sight at 10pm looking out the front window of the Otter as we turned final for GLS. I had relatives who lived three blocks over from the airport. Walked over one day to get a closer look at the old Connie sitting near the fence by the terminal. I always wondered what happened to that old bird.

User currently offlineIahflyr From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4071 times:

WOW what a great thread!

I've heard of the city of Galveston desiring to work with an airline/charter group for a few years in an attempt to get service to the island to support the cruise ships. That would be the only reason IMHO to have airline/charter service to GLS as the beaches are not all that wonderful nor is the water the lovely color of Cancun. I can't think many people who would actually fly to GLS for a vacation to support air travel other than those who are going to get on a cruise ship.

The airport itself is would require some modification. The runways are 6,000' long with an ILS to 13......RNAV's to the other, terminal need lots of work, Tower is only open from 6AM-6PM now and the helicopter traffic is very much the livelyhood of the airport. Moody Gardens is almost on the airport, Lone Star Flight Museum is great and that is just about it.

Love to see commercial traffic into GLS but with HOU (SWA) and IAH (COA) not that far off it just doesn't seem likely any airline would put their assets into the area.



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User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3869 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4063 times:

Quoting Stirling (Reply 10):
Hmmm.
I know the primary carrier into Galveston would have been TransTexas (TI), but after that, I am thinking there was a short-lived carrier out there, and into the 1970s.

My Grandfather worked for Braniff, and I seem to recall seeing timtables of the era at my Grandparents place, listing Galveston from DAL and HOU. That said at the time I was just a tyke living in the frozen tundra of Minnesota, so I sure my memory is not what it used to be  smile  .

Thomas



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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4055 times:

Quoting Lt-AWACS (Reply 7):
Was there an attempt at DFW-GLS service in the late 90s early 2000 timeframe? I vaguely remember talk of such service somewhere but cannot find anything online.

I don't remember that ever getting started, yet, I am old and tired!  Smile



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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4033 times:

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 13):
My Grandfather worked for Braniff, and I seem to recall seeing timtables of the era at my Grandparents place, listing Galveston from DAL and HOU

Well, that would have been a VERY LONG TIME AGO!!!! Wink

I think Braniff went out of Galveston by 1960. Maybe 1959?



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User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3869 posts, RR: 23
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4010 times:

Quoting Stirling (Reply 15):
Well, that would have been a VERY LONG TIME AGO!!!! Wink

Indeed, it was!  wink 

Quoting Stirling (Reply 15):
I think Braniff went out of Galveston by 1960. Maybe 1959?

Possibly, however I recall the timtables from the late 60s showing GLS. That said, these listings might have reflected an interline agreement, (what today would be called a codeshare) very likely with TTA .

Thomas



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 8760 posts, RR: 29
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3980 times:

..and since no one has mentioned the wonderful air museum at GLS, I do it herewith.

Really worth going there, first time I saw a real B58 Hustler, besides many other interesting planes and items they have there. Plus the Texas Aviation Hall of Fame.

The city itself is a Museum.



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User currently offlineAaway From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1507 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3958 times:

Quoting Dtw9 (Reply 11):
I flew on a Texas International DHC6 Twin Otter to GLS.

No you didn't, as TT never operated the DHC-6 (TT did operate the Beech 99). I have a Metro Airlines timetable from May, 1972 showing IAH-GLS service



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User currently offlineDtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1135 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3937 times:

Quoting Aaway (Reply 18):
No you didn't, as TT never operated the DHC-6 (TT did operate the Beech 99). I have a Metro Airlines timetable from May, 1972 showing IAH-GLS service

After resting my tired brain I do recall it was Metro International. Thanks for the refresh. If you have the timetable maybe you could tell me the flight number. It seems to me I arrived around 10pm.


User currently offlineIahflyr From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 23
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3935 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 17):
..and since no one has mentioned the wonderful air museum at GLS, I do it herewith.

Ah I beg your pardon, check reply 12 out!  Smile

Quoting Iahflyr (Reply 12):
Lone Star Flight Museum is great



Quoting Aaway (Reply 18):
I have a Metro Airlines timetable from May, 1972 showing IAH-GLS service

Did that have a stop at Clear Lake City STOLPORT???



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 8760 posts, RR: 29
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3921 times:

Quoting Iahflyr (Reply 20):

Ah I beg your pardon, check reply 12 out

Pardonnez moi



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User currently offlinePavlovsDog From Norway, joined Sep 2005, 656 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3919 times:

I imagine it would be easier for both passengers and cruise operators to fly into Houston since it is already served by pretty much all markets of consequence. A bus ride to Galveston would probably be easier, quicker and cheaper than changing planes elsewhere to fly to GLS.

User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5893 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3881 times:

Quoting ATCT (Reply 5):
IAH-GLS would be a pretty useless route as its only an hour-hour 15 minute drive, and only a 30 minute drive from Hobby (HOU).

Well lots of people used to use the IAH-ELF service and to a lesser extent IAH-HOU (remember they even had a DC9!)....and GLS is further.....CO must be able to fill an ATR with local traffic that doesn't want to drive to IAH

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 9):
Well according to the report, DFW residents make up the largest market from Texas (c'mon Houstonians, don't let these Dallas guys are beat us on our on turf    ). I am not certain about the DFW/DAL-GLS service though,

Well Houstonians are a more refined bunch than to take a booze cruise to CZM!  Big grin We prefer the more off the beaten track locals.

Now I will duck, cause I know whats coming
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User currently offlineAdh214 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3876 times:

Does anyone know why Princess is not returning to Galveston for the 07-08 season and if they plan to return at any point in the future?

Andrew


25 Aaway : HY 125 dpt IAH 21:35 arv GLS 22:00. Dtw9, up to this point, TT was still flying the GLS-IAH route every day, except Saturday, with a Convair 600. In
26 Post contains images Iahflyr : HUH, IAH-ELF, do you actually mean Ellington Field (EFD)? If it is EFD you are referring to alot of that traffic was NASA employees and they did use
27 Lt-AWACS : As I noted above I flew IAH-EFD several times and it was packed every single time. Like any flying it just depending on the time of day but it was pop
28 Post contains images IAHFLYR : Metro Airlines! NOT HOU to GLS in 20-25 minutes....wow you must be taking the police cruiser....cuzz it's 37 statute miles from airport to airport on
29 Post contains links and images Stirling : Ironic. I believe it was Tree-Top (TT-Trans-Texas) that was the replacement carrier for Braniff. (FYI-For you Young'ns, back in the day, when TT seem
30 Yellowtail : I dunno about other Galvestonians, but every time I go visit my brother there it is such a pain the butt to drive all the way from IAH.....if they did
31 Thomasphoto60 : [quote=Stirling,reply=29]I actually went back and checked out my schedules, which go back as far as 1958, and there is no Galveston on the map. Thanks
32 ABQopsHP : My Metro Airlines timetable from July 1, 1981. is as follows GLS-IAH 730a 800a x67 HY104 0 735a 820a 6 HY310 1 900a 930a x67 HY108 0 1235p 120p HY116
33 Thomasphoto60 : This was long gone before I moved to Texas but I find the existence of this unique airport in the middle of Clear Lake City fascinating. Does anyone
34 Post contains images ABQopsHP : I remember stoping at Clear Lake as a kid to watch the planes come and go. But I never took any pics. Damn
35 ScottB : Well, speaking as someone originally from Galveston, the key problem with commercial air service at GLS is that the market size is limited by geograp
36 Toxtethogrady : This is what would make it work. If CO were to work an agreement with one of the cruise lines to commit 100% of the seats at, say 50 cents a seat ($2
37 Erj-145mech : Won't work, gotta have security. The US Congress has already mandated this. Can't dump a plane load of un scanned passengers and luggage into the secu
38 Post contains links 102IAHexpress : Coincidently there’s an opinion piece in today’s Chronicle seeking to reestablish rail service between the city and the island. http://www.chron.c
39 Toxtethogrady : There would be security, but the hassle factor has got to be much less than it is at a hub airport. Handling 50 at a time is a lot easier than hundre
40 IAHFLYR : Why do you think only 50, are you gonna take the COEX trailer from EFD that has already been sold and put in near the terminal building in GLS??? Sec
41 Post contains images Analog : Two hours in an old hotel shuttle sans suspension? Driving is better, but costs at least double, given the price of one way car rentals. Much as I wo
42 Yellowtail : Well if you are coming in from International....I am afraid you gotta go to IAH
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