SM92 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 131 posts, RR: 0 Posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2215 times:
I was wondering why FedEx does not have 747-400s in its cargo fleet. UPS has 747s. So do other asian carriers such as Korean Air and Singapore. Didn't Singapore just order a bunch of 747s? As the largest express cargo carrier, you would think FedEx would have 747-400s. I know they used to have some after buying Flying Tigers, but they got rid of them. Why have they not invested in the 747-400s? Instead, the largest they have are MD11s. THey decided to go with MD10s recently. Why? WIth the growth in cargo, and with other carriers having 747s, why does FedEx not have them? They could fly into the hub in Memphis, TN could they not? I've seen that Air Force One has flown into Memphis, so I don't see why a 747-400 couldn't. Your thoughts?
Fdxtech From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 41 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2116 times:
we are not just a package freight company, fed ex has many different types of contracts to haul heavy freight, especially overseas. the md-11 has been a real money maker for the company. the 747 they aquired from flying tigers were not in great shape. when one of those aircraft went out of service it took alot of planes to come in and recover that freight which is one major reason they were phased out. in reference to the 747-400, there is word that fed ex has aquired 8 of them and will be put into service in the next few years. one specific route that has been mentioned is newark-china. i cannot wait for that plane to be in service. great to work on, great reliability, great moneymaker.
Na From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10063 posts, RR: 11 Reply 3, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2083 times:
that is great news if its true, the nice Fedex livery will look expecially great on the 747-400F. I´ve never heard about a serious rumour that Fedex might buy the Jumbo.
I guess these -400F will be new from Seattle then.
Flaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1180 posts, RR: 4 Reply 4, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2056 times:
FedEx did toy with a wet leasing arrangement with Atlas to provide supplemental lift using 744's. This was primarily a defensive tactic (and an effective one at that) during a critical stage of the negotions with the pilots. I dont know what became of that arrangement after the threatened strike was averted.
The chief reason why FedEx has not gone with 747's has been an inability to fill an aircraft of that size. The MD11 has up to now been a perfect fit. The company's strategy is to establish strong regional hubs throughout the world and then connect the regional hubs to each other to provide fast efficient service in and to all parts of the globe. This has the effect of diluting some of the long haul traffic. It is very similar to what has already happened to passenger traffic across the Atlantic and what is beginning to occur to passenger traffic across the Pacific. More flights in smaller aircraft as opposed to fewer flights in larger aircraft.
This strategy has been so successful during the past two years however that a need for larger aircraft may become a reality in the next few years. I have seen the stories regarding FedEx interest in the A3XX but I dont put a lot of stock in them. If the company turns to larger aircraft it is more likely to start with 744's and work its way into the 747X over time. Fast turnarounds are essential to keeping the network on time and the multi deck layout of the A3XX is not well suited to this type of operation.
SM92 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 131 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2021 times:
If a 747-400 is too large then what about a 777. I believe a 777 is bigger than an MD11. Can the 777 be a cargo plane? I know there are a lot of passenger airlines replacing MD11s with 777s. In fact, this is probably where FedEx gets MD11s (as used planes). But is there any chance a 777 could be in the FedEx fleet? Would the range of a 777ER not be good for a flight out of the Memphis hub on a flight such as MEM to Sydney, or MEM to Subic? I believe the Memphis Airport just opened a "World Runway" which was to allow for international flights. Is there any concept livery of FedEx colors on a 747-400 or 777?
Fxra From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 692 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2002 times:
Officially unofficialy is the best way i've seen it put. I've heard this rumor for about 6 months now that boeing is diligently working on them now for entrance into service early next year... now thats the more extreme of them, and the number is anywhere from 6-16. Fedex could reportedly use that aricraft and easily fill it, esp on the long KIX-MEM and CDG-SFS runs... and would allow a direct MEM-Japan without the ANC stop.
Its only really a matter of time before they get a bigger plane.
Fdxtech From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 41 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1999 times:
fred smith, the man behind the legend is very conservative when it comes to distributing money for aircraft leases and purchases. we own practically all retired dc-10's that belonged to united and american and are sitting in the desert in arizona waiting for conversion. he practically received those aircraft in return for 727 hush kits. the thought on spending what it would cost to convert 777's is just not in his budget when he could probably convert half a dozen dc-10's or md-11's for about the price of one 777. also, hewould not buy 747's new from boeing. mr.smith is a business man who is going to get the best possible deal in the market for that type of aircraft. airbus did ask fedex to be the launch customer for the a3xx cargo version, its not going to happen.
Flaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1180 posts, RR: 4 Reply 9, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1992 times:
Fdxtech is correct. FedEx is a company that thinks big, plans big and spends only what is absolutely necessary to make those plans happen. The difference is made up with hard work and good people. Most of the company's expansion plans can be handled by the desert full of DC10's that we now own. As needs dictate they are simply pulled from storage and sent through the conversion process.
This company will not blow a wad of cash on new airplanes. We aquire new aircraft only on sweetheart deals from the manufacturer. A few MD11's, the A300-600F's and the very last few 727-200's and DC10's built are the only factory delivered planes in the fleet. There are a few routes in the system that in a few years could support a larger aircraft but that need can easily be fulfilled with used 744's.
You only hear about FedEx and the A3XX in the context that the manufacturer may give them away aka the Singapore deal. Fred may always be willing to listen to a good proposal but that is a far cry from opening his wallet.
FDXmech From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3251 posts, RR: 36 Reply 11, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1963 times:
From a personnel standpoint it matters little whether they acquire the 747-400s new or used, just working a new type is exciting for me.
I've got a feeling one Fedex's long term goals is to market the MD10 in the future as they did with the 727 hushkits prior. Should the program become successful, I can see other freight operators as well as second tier passenger carriers snapping them up. Sort of a poor mans state of the art (almost) jet. If that takes root, FDX will have a nice little cash cow for years to come.
Fxra mentioned the KIX-MEM run. That really stretches
the MD11 to the limit. I think on that particular flight they file the flt plan from KIX to OAK and then refile to MEM, fuel permitting. I would think a 747-400 would allow quite a bit of flexibility with those type runs.
I believe Fred will open his wallet as he has done in the past, but on his terms. And a nice byproduct (IMO) of the MD10 is that it gives FDX leverage to better call the shots should they want to buy or should the planemakers want to sell us new airplanes. Now FDX besides playing AI and Boeing against one another has added another card to the mix. The spector of a third competitor, Fedex itself. Should AI or Boeing refuse to sweeten the deal to Freds satisfaction, Fred could in essense crank up the MD10 assembly line and supply its own needed lift. Sort of an incentive plan on a grand scale.