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Body Found In DL Wheel Well  
User currently offlineCharliejag1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 240 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 17717 times:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/01/12/dead.stowaway/index.html

An apparent stowaway was foind dea in the wheel well of a Delta aircraft after arriving in Atlanta from Dakar, Senegal. More details to follow.

Per Delta.com flifo, it was flight 35, a 767-200.

[Edited 2007-01-12 18:56:02]

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User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5331 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 17675 times:

Well...DL doesn't have any 767-200s anymore. It would be a 767-300 in a certain configuration, which DL's res system calls a 762.

The CBSNews story says that DL had notice of the stowaway during the flight, but decided it was too far into the flight to turn around or land. Presumably, the guy would be dead by then anyway from oxygen deprivation and hypothermia.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/12/national/main2355967.shtml


User currently offlineCharliejag1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 17513 times:

Agreed, no reason to turn back, whats done is done unfortunately. Don't you think its odd that the delta webstie says 767-200 when it is actually a -300? I believe you, but it is kinda moronic, they should just change it.

User currently offlineMovingtin From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 17485 times:

Quoting Charliejag1 (Reply 2):
Don't you think its odd that the delta webstie says 767-200 when it is actually a -300?

It designates a gulf air configured 767-300


User currently offlineCharliejag1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 17289 times:

If its a 763, it should be labeled a 763.

User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 17278 times:

But the Gulf Air birds are different enough to be designated something else. They need to be.

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineFlyorski From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 997 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 17273 times:

Quoting Charliejag1 (Reply 4):
If its a 763, it should be labeled a 763

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"None are more hopelessly enslaved, than those who falsly believe they are free" -Goethe
User currently offlineCharliejag1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 17248 times:

If it is different, it makes sense to label it something different, but not something that it is not, like a 762. For instance, label it 767-300G.

Anyway, this really isnt an issue at all. I'm curious to know if it is possible to stow away in a wheel well of a 767 without being crushed. Obviously it is impossible to survive a flight of any notable length due to lack of oxygen and the temperature, but is there room in the wheel well?

You could always deflate a tire, hehe, even though that would be pretty dramatic and maybe violent.


User currently offlineBadlydrawnboy From United States of America, joined May 2006, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 17178 times:

I doubt the stowaway cared if it was was -200 or -300....

bdb


User currently offlineJerald01 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 161 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 17145 times:

Want to bet that more than a few of these stowaways who don't survive the flight are dead before the wheel well doors close up? How many of us could even THINK about standing:

(A) the sight/sound of the wheels rolling on the runway at 150+ miles per hour,
(B) the small bits of rock, dirt, water, etc., those same wheels kick up into the wheel well,
(C) the wind buffet that whips around inside the wheel well at, what, up to 175 - 180 MPH ?
(D) the sight of the landing gear apparatus as it begins to retract... and it is obviously going to crush whoever is in the wheel well?

Thanks, but I think I'd rather just pay the airfare and ride inside...



"There may be old pilots, and there may be bold pilots, but there are darn few green cows"
User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 17058 times:

Quoting Jerald01 (Reply 9):
Thanks, but I think I'd rather just pay the airfare and ride inside...

Something tells me the people who are stowaway's can't afford the ticket. These are probably also people who would otherwise have no chance at acquiring a passport to leave their country. They aren't doing this to save money.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5594 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 16919 times:

My thought on this subject is: we always hear of the stowaways that DON'T make it but do you suppose some DO survive such a journey and just go on their merry way when they land? I would think it almost impossible to survive a trip of any length but do we really know for sure?

...just thinking out loud...

bb


User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 16880 times:

This has happened in West Africa a couple of times before, I remember reading about 2 teenagers which flew from Conakry to BRU and had written a letter if they were to be found dead upon arrival. The letter did make it to the news in Belgium.


I don't work for COPA Airlines!
User currently offlineRemcor From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 16774 times:

It is sad to think that some people have such a wretched, hopeless lives that they'd be willing to risk almost certain death to try to escape it. Yeah, sure you can call them stupid for trying it, but I'm sure they had some idea about the risks and decided to go for it anyway.

And this is despite whatever religion they are. You think Muslims don't go hungry as easily as Christians?


User currently offlineGh123 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 16646 times:

Well at least Law Enforcement didn't need to point a gun at him and say 'FREEZE!!'

He probably already was!


User currently offlineKATL757 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 16542 times:

From my local paper:

AJC.com (registration required to read article)

"Federal and state officials are investigating the death of a stowaway found in the wheel well of a Delta Air Lines flight from Dakar, Senegal.

The man was found dead between the plane's wheels, on the right side of the landing gear, according to Michele James, Port Director of Atlanta for Customs and Border Protection.

The man was found after Delta Flight 35 landed from Dakar at Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport about 8:45 a.m., Delta spokeswoman Betsy Talton said. The flight had left Dakar more than nine hours before the body was found, she said.

The man, an unidentified black male, was not carrying any identification, but he was carrying a backpack with two pairs of jeans, two shirts and some photographs, James said. The Georgia Bureau of Investigation has the body and is helping with the investigation, James said.

While cause of death in this case has not been determined, in most cases such stowaways die of exposure to cold weather and lack of oxygen because of the plane's high cruising altitude, James said.

"This is something that has happened on several airlines over the years, but it's uncommon," Delta's Talton explained.

Hartsfield's operations unit received a call when Flight 35 was about 10 minutes from landing asking them to standby on alert for a possible problem, airport spokeswoman Sterling Payne said.

While she could not say the nature of the problem in this case, most times those calls are related to concerns about landing gear, flaps or brakes, Payne said.

The plane landed and taxied to the gate without incident, Payne said.

Talton said federal, state and local law enforcement officials are working with Delta to investigate the incident.

Agents with Immigration and Customs Enforcement have contacted the Senegalese Embassy in Washington, D.C. to ask for assistance, James said.

Delta began its flights to Dakar a little more than a month ago as part of a move to open service to Johannesburg, South Africa, for the first time.

Delta previously had offered seats on South African Airways from Atlanta and New York through an alliance with that carrier, but the African airline ended the service last year.

Friday's flight originated in Johannesburg and investigators believe the stowaway entered the plane in Dakar.

Delta flights make fuel stops in Dakar, but also offer the city as a destination, which particularly draws African American tourists who want to visit the site of Goree Island, once a depot for slaves being sent to the Americas."



Wherever you go, there you are.......
User currently offlineChicagoFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 274 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 16266 times:

Old stories like this
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Northeast/12/31/plane.death/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Northeast...5/corpse.plane.wheel.ap/index.html
http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2004-11-04-lax-naked_x.htm
http://news.airwise.com/stories/2004/10/1098609529.html

Oddly, when a body was discovered in a BA 747 at JFK (1st story), it was apparently already the second stop (the plane and the stowaway apparently came from Lagos, Nigeria to LHR).

Old a.net thread
Travel In Style.......In The Wheel Well! (by A340pilot Sep 27 2003 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 16717 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 13):
My thought on this subject is: we always hear of the stowaways that DON'T make it but do you suppose some DO survive such a journey and just go on their merry way when they land? I would think it almost impossible to survive a trip of any length but do we really know for sure?

...just thinking out loud...

bb

I dubt it at 54 dergrees below cero it´s difficult to survive more than 1 hour ,imagine 8 or 9.


User currently offlineChicagoFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 274 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 16536 times:

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 27):


I doubt it at 54 dergrees below cero it´s difficult to survive more than 1 hour, imagine 8 or 9.

Anyone has a copy of the paper referred to in this link?
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=3207836

Auteur(s) / Author(s)
VERONNEAU S. J. H. ; MOHLER S. R. ; PENNYBAKER A. L. ; WILCOX B. C. ; SAHIAR F. ;
Affiliation(s) du ou des auteurs / Author(s) Affiliation(s)
Civil Aeromedical Institute, Federal Aviation Administration, Oklahoma City, OK, ETATS-UNIS
Department of Community Health, Wright State University, School of Medicine, Dayton, OH, ETATS-UNIS
Résumé / Abstract
There have been 10 specific wheel-well passenger stowaway flights (the wheel-well area was entered just before take-off) documented in the N.Y. Times between 1947-1993. Five stowaways survived flights encompassing altitudes as high as 39,000 feet, with six dying in the process (one flight had two stowaways, one fatal, one surviving). Three Douglas DC-8 and four Boeing 707 aircraft, plus a Caravelle, an unknown jet, and a piston airliner were involved. Several of the wheel-well flight stowaways were reportedly politically motivated to attempt these international flights. This paper describes the unpressurized flight environment and the physiology that enabled human survival under conditions of extreme hypoxia and cold, inducing a virtual hibernative state. It is likely that similar attempts will continue, and alert airport security preventive measures are indicated.


User currently offlineChicagoFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 274 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 16437 times:

To answer my own question--here's the paper on stowaway survival. Fascinating!

You can buy the download in so many places, but luckily our govt provides it for free...


User currently offlineMortkork From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 36 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 16300 times:

Quoting Charliejag1 (Reply 7):
You could always deflate a tire, hehe, even though that would be pretty dramatic and maybe violent.

Deflating a tire that is filled with nitrogen would only kill you faster


User currently offlineLHMARK From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 46
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 15940 times:

I'm amazed they never fall out of the wheel well. I wonder why that is?


"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
User currently offlineJasond From Australia, joined Jul 2009, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 15110 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 14):
Probably just one of millions desperate to escape a life of poverty. As mentioned above, there have been quite a few similar incidents over the years, probably 2 or 3 a year on average,

Absolutely, in fact this goes back as long as there have been wheel wells big enough to stowaway in.


User currently offlineDurangoMac From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 743 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 15106 times:

The Delta system identifies aircraft in several different ways. For instatnces, the CRJ-200 is labeled as -100. Don't ask me why but Delta has it's reasons.

User currently offlineBristolFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 14939 times:

There have been a number of instance of bodies falling out of wheel wells in the UK when the aircraft is on approach and they extend the gear. Pretty grim really.


Fortune favours the brave
25 Jumbojetla : hmmm why didnt the Quote show?? I thought I cut and pasted...I am newbie.. shows huh
26 JetJeanes : There have been stowaways over the years that have made it back from latin america,cuba, etc and survived but from what i recall they were primarley d
27 777jaah : I can remember when a LH 747 from BOG landed in FRA a long time ago, had a guy tied with some rope to the landing gear. After some searching by german
28 Jumbojetla : HAHAHA movie Encino man comes to mind I think if that actually occurred and from that elevation .. wouldnt be much left of the person.
29 NAV20 : It's interesting, but not surprising, how this sad tale of a penniless young stowaway is interpreted by so many on here in the context of 'terrorism.
30 Soups : a similar story happened when 2 kids where found dead on GH DC10 upon arrival in LHR in december 2002 i think, it use to be common in Africa
31 Gift4tbone : I see your point, and what you trying to say. And I partially agree with you. BUT as I see your not from the US, Us american's look at things, especi
32 NAV20 : I'm not all THAT insulated, Gift4tbone. I visit relatives and friends in the USA pretty frequently - who happen to live in NYC, DC, and LA. Indeed, I
33 Gift4tbone : Good for you that is awesome, in fact It makes me happy to hear that! Too many people want the terrorist to control our lives, for instance my grandm
34 Post contains links Geardown : One lucky guy who survived (and he was not from Africa): Link
35 Charliejag1 : I really meant the extra space would be nice. The nitrogen would certainly be a problem, but there are worse things. Nitrogen is the bulk of what we
36 LTBEWR : Sadly, many airports in less developed countries have poor or virtually non-existant perimiter and airside security, including places like Dakar. Many
37 Abrelosojos : = Ok, now I am curious. I mean, if this was a national of Tahiti (as the article suggests), then the person was just stupid. I mean, as a French OT,
38 SpeckSpot : An obvious solution would be to retrofit wheel wells with motion detectors, infrared detectors and webcams or videocams. Solving it could be done for
39 1011 : The tail number looked like it might be 177DZ when I saw it on the news.
40 Post contains links 757223 : Here is an abstratct on a study done on this issue: http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=13750622
41 FlyDreamliner : Maybe they can just spray down undercarriages with teflon so they are just really really hard to hold onto and climb up, lol. it seems as if it would
42 Charliejag1 : Good thought, but given the frequency with which this occurs and the fact that you can't do anything for less than $1000, I have no counbt that no sy
43 Post contains links DC10Tim : People have survived as stowaways in the wheel well in the past. A few years ago, while waiting on the taxiway at DEL, a local boy climbed into the we
44 Post contains links N747PA : Logbook signoff and ship # here: http://amfadelta.com/message/viewtopic.php?t=1624
45 Mika : I think that this is a really problematic issue, on the one hand you would want that (for example) that indian boy/guy got to stay in the UK after goi
46 TRVYYZ : Wrong. Wheel well should be checked just before clearing for take-off because at this point the a/c will be at the boundary of the airport and the tr
47 Jetset777 : I'm still pretty confused as to how this could happen in any country. I mean Delta is Delta where ever you are. Is A/C security more lax in some count
48 SpeckSpot : Here's one more idea: instead of a camera for each of the three wheel wells, use one camera near where a tail skid should be, and have it "see" all th
49 Charliejag1 : Ok Nostradamus, we will hire you to sit in a folding chair at the end of the runway and climb up in wheel wells to check for people. Remember to avoi
50 Post contains images Zvezda : He may or may not have cared at the time, but he clearly doesn't care now.   I've not poked my head inside the wheel-well of anything larger than an
51 KangarooMAN : Jetset you are thinking exactly what I thought when I seen this don't they have static guards securing the aircraft outside I know at MAN at least al
52 FlyMD : Can someone from a.net please tell me about the first amendment? Why is it that so many posts are removed (very controversial or inflammatory posts I
53 Charliejag1 : agreed, where did all the posts go?
54 ANCFlyer : Gladly. Beating up on a member in the thread for making a Poor Quality, Off Topic Posts or Disprespecting Other Users Posts caused 35 posts to be del
55 TRVYYZ : I recommended a camera not a chair. You don't get it? I don't blame you.
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