Wjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5506 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 17999 times:
Well...DL doesn't have any 767-200s anymore. It would be a 767-300 in a certain configuration, which DL's res system calls a 762.
The CBSNews story says that DL had notice of the stowaway during the flight, but decided it was too far into the flight to turn around or land. Presumably, the guy would be dead by then anyway from oxygen deprivation and hypothermia.
Charliejag1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 17837 times:
Agreed, no reason to turn back, whats done is done unfortunately. Don't you think its odd that the delta webstie says 767-200 when it is actually a -300? I believe you, but it is kinda moronic, they should just change it.
Charliejag1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 17572 times:
If it is different, it makes sense to label it something different, but not something that it is not, like a 762. For instance, label it 767-300G.
Anyway, this really isnt an issue at all. I'm curious to know if it is possible to stow away in a wheel well of a 767 without being crushed. Obviously it is impossible to survive a flight of any notable length due to lack of oxygen and the temperature, but is there room in the wheel well?
You could always deflate a tire, hehe, even though that would be pretty dramatic and maybe violent.
Jerald01 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 161 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 17469 times:
Want to bet that more than a few of these stowaways who don't survive the flight are dead before the wheel well doors close up? How many of us could even THINK about standing:
(A) the sight/sound of the wheels rolling on the runway at 150+ miles per hour,
(B) the small bits of rock, dirt, water, etc., those same wheels kick up into the wheel well,
(C) the wind buffet that whips around inside the wheel well at, what, up to 175 - 180 MPH ?
(D) the sight of the landing gear apparatus as it begins to retract... and it is obviously going to crush whoever is in the wheel well?
Thanks, but I think I'd rather just pay the airfare and ride inside...
"There may be old pilots, and there may be bold pilots, but there are darn few green cows"
FlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 17382 times:
Quoting Jerald01 (Reply 9): Thanks, but I think I'd rather just pay the airfare and ride inside...
Something tells me the people who are stowaway's can't afford the ticket. These are probably also people who would otherwise have no chance at acquiring a passport to leave their country. They aren't doing this to save money.
SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5860 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 17243 times:
My thought on this subject is: we always hear of the stowaways that DON'T make it but do you suppose some DO survive such a journey and just go on their merry way when they land? I would think it almost impossible to survive a trip of any length but do we really know for sure?
2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 17204 times:
This has happened in West Africa a couple of times before, I remember reading about 2 teenagers which flew from Conakry to BRU and had written a letter if they were to be found dead upon arrival. The letter did make it to the news in Belgium.
Remcor From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 360 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 17098 times:
It is sad to think that some people have such a wretched, hopeless lives that they'd be willing to risk almost certain death to try to escape it. Yeah, sure you can call them stupid for trying it, but I'm sure they had some idea about the risks and decided to go for it anyway.
And this is despite whatever religion they are. You think Muslims don't go hungry as easily as Christians?
"Federal and state officials are investigating the death of a stowaway found in the wheel well of a Delta Air Lines flight from Dakar, Senegal.
The man was found dead between the plane's wheels, on the right side of the landing gear, according to Michele James, Port Director of Atlanta for Customs and Border Protection.
The man was found after Delta Flight 35 landed from Dakar at Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport about 8:45 a.m., Delta spokeswoman Betsy Talton said. The flight had left Dakar more than nine hours before the body was found, she said.
The man, an unidentified black male, was not carrying any identification, but he was carrying a backpack with two pairs of jeans, two shirts and some photographs, James said. The Georgia Bureau of Investigation has the body and is helping with the investigation, James said.
While cause of death in this case has not been determined, in most cases such stowaways die of exposure to cold weather and lack of oxygen because of the plane's high cruising altitude, James said.
"This is something that has happened on several airlines over the years, but it's uncommon," Delta's Talton explained.
Hartsfield's operations unit received a call when Flight 35 was about 10 minutes from landing asking them to standby on alert for a possible problem, airport spokeswoman Sterling Payne said.
While she could not say the nature of the problem in this case, most times those calls are related to concerns about landing gear, flaps or brakes, Payne said.
The plane landed and taxied to the gate without incident, Payne said.
Talton said federal, state and local law enforcement officials are working with Delta to investigate the incident.
Agents with Immigration and Customs Enforcement have contacted the Senegalese Embassy in Washington, D.C. to ask for assistance, James said.
Delta began its flights to Dakar a little more than a month ago as part of a move to open service to Johannesburg, South Africa, for the first time.
Delta previously had offered seats on South African Airways from Atlanta and New York through an alliance with that carrier, but the African airline ended the service last year.
Friday's flight originated in Johannesburg and investigators believe the stowaway entered the plane in Dakar.
Delta flights make fuel stops in Dakar, but also offer the city as a destination, which particularly draws African American tourists who want to visit the site of Goree Island, once a depot for slaves being sent to the Americas."
LHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 17041 times:
Quoting SANFan (Reply 13): My thought on this subject is: we always hear of the stowaways that DON'T make it but do you suppose some DO survive such a journey and just go on their merry way when they land? I would think it almost impossible to survive a trip of any length but do we really know for sure?
...just thinking out loud...
I dubt it at 54 dergrees below cero it´s difficult to survive more than 1 hour ,imagine 8 or 9.
Auteur(s) / Author(s)
VERONNEAU S. J. H. ; MOHLER S. R. ; PENNYBAKER A. L. ; WILCOX B. C. ; SAHIAR F. ;
Affiliation(s) du ou des auteurs / Author(s) Affiliation(s)
Civil Aeromedical Institute, Federal Aviation Administration, Oklahoma City, OK, ETATS-UNIS
Department of Community Health, Wright State University, School of Medicine, Dayton, OH, ETATS-UNIS
Résumé / Abstract
There have been 10 specific wheel-well passenger stowaway flights (the wheel-well area was entered just before take-off) documented in the N.Y. Times between 1947-1993. Five stowaways survived flights encompassing altitudes as high as 39,000 feet, with six dying in the process (one flight had two stowaways, one fatal, one surviving). Three Douglas DC-8 and four Boeing 707 aircraft, plus a Caravelle, an unknown jet, and a piston airliner were involved. Several of the wheel-well flight stowaways were reportedly politically motivated to attempt these international flights. This paper describes the unpressurized flight environment and the physiology that enabled human survival under conditions of extreme hypoxia and cold, inducing a virtual hibernative state. It is likely that similar attempts will continue, and alert airport security preventive measures are indicated.
Jasond From Australia, joined Jul 2009, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 15434 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 14): Probably just one of millions desperate to escape a life of poverty. As mentioned above, there have been quite a few similar incidents over the years, probably 2 or 3 a year on average,
Absolutely, in fact this goes back as long as there have been wheel wells big enough to stowaway in.