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User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 11
Posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1229 times:

Hi,

I was looking through a United Airlines tinetable and I saw an airplane configured with 123 business class seats and 36 first class seats and just 142 economy seats! Weird configuration! I heard it is used on the JFK-NRT service...are there that many biz travellers on that route? what other routes is this configuration used on? They must make a bundle of money because of this configuration, am I right? If anyone here has been on business class on this plane, didn't it feel uncomfortable having such a big biz class? It must feel like economy!

Regards!


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User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1169 times:

I have flown on this very aircraft type and its predecessor. The 747-200, which was configured with
many more business class seats that economy. For
the -200's the reason was economics and operational
performance. The UA -200's had trouble reaching NRT
in winter. The two times I flew this route, we had to
stop in Sapporo for fuel and then continue on to NRT.
There is a huge business market that uses this flight.
The reason for the lower capacity has to do with the
weight and range. The -400 though should be able to
make it on a full tank of fuel with 350+ pax. It was
designed for that.

ContinentalEWR


User currently offlineAirbus Lover From Malaysia, joined Apr 2000, 3248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1159 times:

talking about ranges...my dad told me that some 20 years ago, he alwaz take the flight from LAX to HKG.
that time TWA/PanAm/UA (i forgot which one) used the 747SP and that time was said to be able to complete the flight nonstop. but in fact it couldn't. once it met with headwinds, it has to stop in TPE for refuel. my dad took this flight more than 3 times a month. so once there is headwinds, the fuel would be out.....today we have great planes that can easily do this route and every farther- such as the 744 with even more pax.; the 340 and 777; can the 330-200 do this? coz in Airbus's page they said the 332 can fly from SIN to Anchorage nonstop........i doubt


User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1145 times:

Wow thats very interesting...american airlines (delta, united, continental, american airlines) love flying to japan with high frequencies and large aircraft, they must make good money on japanese flights!


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User currently offlineKonaB777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1138 times:

UA also used it on the ORD-NRT route. A few years ago we got to O'Hare a couple hours early for our nonstop DC10-30 flight to HNL, & there was a 747-400 parked at the gate next to ours. My mom is a f/a for UA and had her ID so we went on it. I recognized it as the OP as only Zone E (between doors 4L/R & 5L/R) was economy.

User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6670 posts, RR: 55
Reply 5, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1127 times:

United Airlines has (had??) seven of these 747-400 OP. These were the first 747-400s delivered to UA. I think UA may get rid of this configuration but I'd like to hear more on that. Perhaps KonaB777, ILUV767 or FLY777UAL has some more info on this? Yes, it's kind of funny when you sit in 32A and you are still in Business class. Same for First class that goes until row 7. The777Man


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User currently offlineKonaB777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1111 times:

United is getting rid of the OP configuration, the planes will then have the OB configuration.

User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1104 times:

There are only, I believe, 5 or 6 aircraft left in the "OP" configuration. The converted ones have been switched to the "OB" with United First Suite.

The -200 YJ (the -200 version of the "OP") never had more Business than Economy, though, as COEWR incorrectly stated.

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L


User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1095 times:

Furthermore, the -200YJ aircraft (which have since been retired) I believe came from Braniff, and were all equipped with the "L" shaped stairs to the Upper Deck.

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L


User currently offlineMEL From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 1100 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1081 times:

I've noticed the loads on the 744 OP flights JFK-NRT are really strange. Often Business is oversold, coach is 75% full, and First Class is only booked to about 3 people. I've noticed this on several occassions. What other routes does UA use this aircraft on? They only need 2 to do daily JFK-NRT, but if they still have 5 or 6, where do the others fly to?


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User currently offlineJumboClassic From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1069 times:

I thought UA used the -OPs for ORD - HKG because of weight restrictions. If they get rid of this configuration, what A/C will fly the route?

User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1067 times:

The OB configurations have been flying both the ORD-HKG and JFK-NRT flights (selected ones, I believe) for quite a while now. The 70-seat difference really doesn't have too much of an effect. I think that the -400OB's operating ORD-HKG and JFK-NRT have additional performance enhancing items (higher thrust, etc.), but are still the chosen few of the -400 fleet with the best performance.

For a while, SFO-NRT was being operated with the OP, as was SFO-KOA...

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L


User currently offlineILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1056 times:

They have also flown them domesticly. i flew one in march from ORD to SFO. Every seat was taken. I was the last S/A to board!

All of UAL's 747-400s are getting the new sleeper seats in firsat, and PTV's in coach! The third 747 will come out of Oakland maintence base in about a week, with PTV's for every passenger!

U N I T E DRising


User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6670 posts, RR: 55
Reply 13, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1040 times:

I just have a few comments. The 747-200B YJ were specificaly built for United Airlines for JFK-NRT and delivered in 1988. The OP has also flown LAX-NRT, LAX-HKG and ORD-LAX. The were flown quite a while on ORD-NRT were they really needed the capacity for First and Business class. I'm very happy to hear about the PTVs in economy class. Will those planes have a new nose number configuration? I know the First Suite have 80XX as nose number. The777Man


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User currently offlineUAL Bagsmasher From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 2148 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1029 times:

UA has 3 B747-400's in the OP configuration. My information is correct as of October 31, 2000. I am flying on one of the OP cofigured aircraft tomarrow morning from ORD-DEN and then on to SFO.

User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9210 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1018 times:

So how many OPs are there left? When are they getting rid of this OP configuration completely?

Its great to hear that UAL is install PTVs on every single seats on its 744s. However, when will this be completely done?


User currently offlineTurbineBeaver From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1004 times:

Whats the difference between OP and OB?

TB


User currently offlineSQA340 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 702 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1004 times:

OP has the old seats and a large Business class
OB has First Suite, sleeper seats on some and new BC with 84 pax


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