Skyteam10001 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 194 posts, RR: 0 Posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4164 times:
This is the first time I read concrete news on the ST associates programme in a long time.
According to Voyages d'Affaires magazine, a French magazine on business travel, Air Europa will become a ST associate member in June 2007. Alcino Ribeiro, head of the French offices for Air Europa, is quoted as saying that at that time, UX will give up its own FF programme to use Flying Blue.
I am assuming all the other airlines that are supposed to become associates (Copa, Tarom, Kenya Airlines) will get in at the same time though the article doesn't say.
For those of you in a AF lounge somewhere, pick up the magazine from a rack (most of the lounges have the magazines on the shelves) and have a look at page 10
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7251 posts, RR: 45 Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4067 times:
Thanks for the info. I have also seen the magazine you are talking about at the DL Business Class Crown Room in the ATL International Terminal, so probably it can be found at Crown Rooms too.
I am glad we finally have some info about this. I agree with you that the other associate members should be joining around the same time, although I would assume there could be delays if one or more of them is unable to switch frequent flyer programs on time. Tarom is adopting AZ' program while KY is adopting Flying Blue as well, right? CM already uses CO's OnePass.
Coal From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1628 posts, RR: 6 Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4043 times:
Quoting Skyteam10001 (Thread starter): I am assuming all the other airlines that are supposed to become associates (Copa, Tarom, Kenya Airlines) will get in at the same time though the article doesn't say.
Does this mean that AeroRepublica will also be part of SkyTeam? Or will it be like the ugly ducklings LAN Argentina and LANEcuador in oneworld (even though that's about to change).
Cheers, Coal
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Coal From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1628 posts, RR: 6 Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4025 times:
ForgotMyNick From Poland, joined Jan 2007, 26 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4022 times:
Oh, ok ic. Thought you mean LAN group (ie. Chile) was *leaving* oneworld.
Argentina/Ecuador (isn't Peru as well?) depends just on LAN Chile completing their takeover business, some politics might be involved, i guess.
Coal From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1628 posts, RR: 6 Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3958 times:
Quoting ForgotMyNick (Reply 5): Oh, ok ic. Thought you mean LAN group (ie. Chile) was *leaving* oneworld.
Argentina/Ecuador (isn't Peru as well?) depends just on LAN Chile completing their takeover business, some politics might be involved, i guess.
AFAIK LAN Peru is a ow member through LAN itself. Same will be true of LAN Argentina and LAN Ecuador. But you're right, it's mostly politics.
Cheers Coal
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BA0242 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3934 times:
Hi guys... just one question regarding Air Europa and SkyTeam.
I have been flying MAD-ORY-MAD several times last November and December, and gave my AeroMexico Club Premier number when purchasing the tickets, but I am not sure about being able to accumulate kms with these flights, since UX is not SkyTeam yet, but they are AM partners...
Can anyone confirm if I will see some more kms in my Club Premier statement after these flights?
Aisak From Spain, joined Aug 2005, 757 posts, RR: 11 Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3875 times:
Quoting EddieDude (Reply 1): KY is adopting Flying Blue as well, right?
KQ already uses Flying Blue because it previously used KLM Flying Dutchman.
Quoting BA0242 (Reply 7): but I am not sure about being able to accumulate kms with these flights, since UX is not SkyTeam yet, but they are AM partners...
No you can't. Air Europa is not one of the Club Premier partners so you won't get miles.
People ussually over-rate the alliance thing. It's not "Aeromexico is part of SkyTeam so i can get miles with Skyteam". Try thinking of "AM, being part of Skyteam, has to grant miles into other airlines FF programs and these other airlines have to do so with Aeromexico Club Premier, under the agreements set one-to-one between Club Premier and these other airlines".
So for you to get miles with Air Europa, Air Europa and Club Premier must sign an agreement before or when joining.
Mats From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 587 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3848 times:
What does "associate member" mean?
I keep hoping for El Al to join SkyTeam, but there's little hope if Delta restarts JFK-Tel Aviv. That would make Israir the only non-SkyTeam carrier flying nonstop between the US and Israel.
One of the Indian carriers would also be a good addition, but I haven't heard any word about SkyTeam for any of them.
DZ09 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 481 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3825 times:
I am hoping that EK would change its mind and join an alliance preferably Sky Team.
Coal From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1628 posts, RR: 6 Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3817 times:
Quoting Aisak (Reply 8): People ussually over-rate the alliance thing.
On *A you can get miles within all the members. I think ow is the same.
Cheers, Coal
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Toxtethogrady From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 941 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3765 times:
Quoting Skyteam10001 (Thread starter): According to Voyages d'Affaires magazine, a French magazine on business travel, Air Europa will become a ST associate member in June 2007.
So will we get MAD-IAH out of this? With all the connections out of IAH to Latin America and the million-plus Hispanics in Houston, this should be a big market.
Azstagecoach From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 152 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3735 times:
How does Air Europa's C/J and Y compare with the other ST members? I have a hard time finding pictures of the J seat on their website, so I have my suspicions it is not up to the standards of CO, DL, AF, etc. Are they considered a discount airline in Spain?
Emptyarm From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 169 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3711 times:
Quoting Azstagecoach (Reply 13): How does Air Europa's C/J and Y compare with the other ST members? I have a hard time finding pictures of the J seat on their website, so I have my suspicions it is not up to the standards of CO, DL, AF, etc. Are they considered a discount airline in Spain?
No comparison, my friend...No J class, no free meals in flights up to 3 hours (this includes the loooooooooong and boring Iberian Peninsula-Canary Islands flights), and many other details to be improved.
On the other hand, their performance is much better than used and all those B737-800's are cool.
Discount airline? maybe,but if you think it twice, you get almost the same than in JK or IB, and the fares are usually cheaper.
2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4 Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3679 times:
If UX does become an associate SkyTeam member, maybe they'll be the ones taking over NM MAD-PTY service.
PTY is sort of a SkyTeam hub and CM does need some non-stop codeshare flights to Europe yesterday.
Connector4you From Canada, joined May 2001, 923 posts, RR: 2 Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3640 times:
Quoting Skyteam10001 (Thread starter): This is the first time I read concrete news on the ST associates programme in a long time
. . . yeah it seems that the process it's awful slow if not dead. First associate member airline entry into SkyTeam should have been taken place last year in June. Instead first entry - Air Europe - is now rumored for June this year. Something went wrong in there . . .
Quoting Skyteam10001 (Thread starter): I am assuming all the other airlines that are supposed to become associates (Copa, Tarom, Kenya Airlines) will get in at the same time though the article doesn't say.
I am afraid that's not the case anymore. As far as I know Tarom already expressed their second thoughts on previously announced intention to join Sky Team partnership, announcing lately that it might consider a similar offer coming from Star Alliance !!!!!??
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7251 posts, RR: 45 Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3573 times:
Quoting Aisak (Reply 8): No you can't. Air Europa is not one of the Club Premier partners so you won't get miles.
People ussually over-rate the alliance thing. It's not "Aeromexico is part of SkyTeam so i can get miles with Skyteam". Try thinking of "AM, being part of Skyteam, has to grant miles into other airlines FF programs and these other airlines have to do so with Aeromexico Club Premier, under the agreements set one-to-one between Club Premier and these other airlines".
So for you to get miles with Air Europa, Air Europa and Club Premier must sign an agreement before or when joining.
AM and UX codeshare on AM's MEX-MAD flights and on UX' MAD-CUN flights, and I was under the impression that you could accrue AM miles when flying UX' MAD-CUN. But true, you cannot earn AM miles when flying other UX routes.
Quoting Toxtethogrady (Reply 12): So will we get MAD-IAH out of this? With all the connections out of IAH to Latin America and the million-plus Hispanics in Houston, this should be a big market.
I am sorry buddy, but I do not see how MAD-IAH could be interesting for UX. Could you please explain what your idea is?
Toxtethogrady From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 941 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3552 times:
Quoting EddieDude (Reply 20): I am sorry buddy, but I do not see how MAD-IAH could be interesting for UX. Could you please explain what your idea is?
There's that big CO hub at IAH, with its connections to Latin America. It's enticing enough for the Koreans.
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7251 posts, RR: 45 Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3544 times:
I see your point. Well, if UX decides to have a larger presence in Latin America, I am sure MAD-IAH would be one choice, given CO's coverage of Mexico. For a better coverage of the entire region, though, they could try flying to PTY from MAD, and codesharing with CM ex-PTY.
RobertS975 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 896 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3368 times:
The main attraction of Air Europa in SkyTeam would be to allow onward travel from MAD and BCN DL and CO arrivals.
Pdpsol From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 999 posts, RR: 6 Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3307 times:
Quoting Toxtethogrady (Reply 12): With all the connections out of IAH to Latin America and the million-plus Hispanics in Houston, this should be a big market.
What do the 'million-plus Hispanics in Houston' have to do with an IAH-MAD/BCN route? Why would Hispanics in the US travel to Spain? Other than CO adding one more European destination from IAH, does not appear to be any link...
Quoting EddieDude (Reply 22): Well, if UX decides to have a larger presence in Latin America, I am sure MAD-IAH would be one choice, given CO's coverage of Mexico. For a better coverage of the entire region, though, they could try flying to PTY from MAD, and codesharing with CM ex-PTY.
This would seem to make A LOT more sense; UX flying MAD-PTY on CM-codeshare.
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