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Air Europa To Be Skyteam Associate In June 07  
User currently offlineSkyteam10001 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 197 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6008 times:

This is the first time I read concrete news on the ST associates programme in a long time.

According to Voyages d'Affaires magazine, a French magazine on business travel, Air Europa will become a ST associate member in June 2007. Alcino Ribeiro, head of the French offices for Air Europa, is quoted as saying that at that time, UX will give up its own FF programme to use Flying Blue.

I am assuming all the other airlines that are supposed to become associates (Copa, Tarom, Kenya Airlines) will get in at the same time though the article doesn't say.

For those of you in a AF lounge somewhere, pick up the magazine from a rack (most of the lounges have the magazines on the shelves) and have a look at page 10  Wink

A.

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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7575 posts, RR: 43
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5911 times:

Thanks for the info. I have also seen the magazine you are talking about at the DL Business Class Crown Room in the ATL International Terminal, so probably it can be found at Crown Rooms too.

I am glad we finally have some info about this. I agree with you that the other associate members should be joining around the same time, although I would assume there could be delays if one or more of them is unable to switch frequent flyer programs on time. Tarom is adopting AZ' program while KY is adopting Flying Blue as well, right? CM already uses CO's OnePass.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineCoal From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2030 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5887 times:

Quoting Skyteam10001 (Thread starter):
I am assuming all the other airlines that are supposed to become associates (Copa, Tarom, Kenya Airlines) will get in at the same time though the article doesn't say.

Does this mean that AeroRepublica will also be part of SkyTeam? Or will it be like the ugly ducklings LAN Argentina and LANEcuador in oneworld (even though that's about to change).

Cheers,
Coal



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User currently offlineForgotMyNick From Poland, joined Jan 2007, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5874 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 1):
Or will it be like the ugly ducklings LAN Argentina and LANEcuador in oneworld (even though that's about to change).

What is about to change?


User currently offlineCoal From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2030 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5869 times:

Quoting ForgotMyNick (Reply 3):
What is about to change?

LAN Argentina and LAN Ecuador will join ow.

Cheers,
Coal



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User currently offlineForgotMyNick From Poland, joined Jan 2007, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5866 times:

Oh, ok ic. Thought you mean LAN group (ie. Chile) was *leaving* oneworld.
Argentina/Ecuador (isn't Peru as well?) depends just on LAN Chile completing their takeover business, some politics might be involved, i guess.


User currently offlineCoal From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2030 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5802 times:

Quoting ForgotMyNick (Reply 5):
Oh, ok ic. Thought you mean LAN group (ie. Chile) was *leaving* oneworld.
Argentina/Ecuador (isn't Peru as well?) depends just on LAN Chile completing their takeover business, some politics might be involved, i guess.

AFAIK LAN Peru is a ow member through LAN itself. Same will be true of LAN Argentina and LAN Ecuador. But you're right, it's mostly politics.

Cheers
Coal



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User currently offlineBA0242 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5778 times:

Hi guys... just one question regarding Air Europa and SkyTeam.

I have been flying MAD-ORY-MAD several times last November and December, and gave my AeroMexico Club Premier number when purchasing the tickets, but I am not sure about being able to accumulate kms with these flights, since UX is not SkyTeam yet, but they are AM partners...

Can anyone confirm if I will see some more kms in my Club Premier statement after these flights?

Thanks a lot.
Victor.


User currently offlineAisak From Spain, joined Aug 2005, 762 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5719 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 1):
KY is adopting Flying Blue as well, right?

KQ already uses Flying Blue because it previously used KLM Flying Dutchman.

Quoting BA0242 (Reply 7):
but I am not sure about being able to accumulate kms with these flights, since UX is not SkyTeam yet, but they are AM partners...

No you can't. Air Europa is not one of the Club Premier partners so you won't get miles.

People ussually over-rate the alliance thing. It's not "Aeromexico is part of SkyTeam so i can get miles with Skyteam". Try thinking of "AM, being part of Skyteam, has to grant miles into other airlines FF programs and these other airlines have to do so with Aeromexico Club Premier, under the agreements set one-to-one between Club Premier and these other airlines".

So for you to get miles with Air Europa, Air Europa and Club Premier must sign an agreement before or when joining.


User currently offlineMats From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 631 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5692 times:

What does "associate member" mean?

I keep hoping for El Al to join SkyTeam, but there's little hope if Delta restarts JFK-Tel Aviv. That would make Israir the only non-SkyTeam carrier flying nonstop between the US and Israel.

One of the Indian carriers would also be a good addition, but I haven't heard any word about SkyTeam for any of them.


User currently offlineDZ09 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 491 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5669 times:

I am hoping that EK would change its mind and join an alliance preferably Sky Team.

User currently offlineCoal From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2030 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5661 times:

Quoting Aisak (Reply 8):
People ussually over-rate the alliance thing.

On *A you can get miles within all the members. I think ow is the same.

Cheers,
Coal



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User currently offlineToxtethogrady From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1289 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5609 times:

Quoting Skyteam10001 (Thread starter):
According to Voyages d'Affaires magazine, a French magazine on business travel, Air Europa will become a ST associate member in June 2007.

So will we get MAD-IAH out of this? With all the connections out of IAH to Latin America and the million-plus Hispanics in Houston, this should be a big market.


User currently offlineAzstagecoach From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5579 times:

How does Air Europa's C/J and Y compare with the other ST members? I have a hard time finding pictures of the J seat on their website, so I have my suspicions it is not up to the standards of CO, DL, AF, etc. Are they considered a discount airline in Spain?

User currently offlineEmptyarm From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5555 times:

Quoting Azstagecoach (Reply 13):
How does Air Europa's C/J and Y compare with the other ST members? I have a hard time finding pictures of the J seat on their website, so I have my suspicions it is not up to the standards of CO, DL, AF, etc. Are they considered a discount airline in Spain?

No comparison, my friend...No J class, no free meals in flights up to 3 hours (this includes the loooooooooong and boring Iberian Peninsula-Canary Islands flights), and many other details to be improved.
On the other hand, their performance is much better than used and all those B737-800's are cool.
Discount airline? maybe,but if you think it twice, you get almost the same than in JK or IB, and the fares are usually cheaper.

Regards


User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5523 times:

If UX does become an associate SkyTeam member, maybe they'll be the ones taking over NM MAD-PTY service.
PTY is sort of a SkyTeam hub and CM does need some non-stop codeshare flights to Europe yesterday.



I don't work for COPA Airlines!
User currently offlineConnector4you From Canada, joined May 2001, 932 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5484 times:

Quoting Skyteam10001 (Thread starter):
This is the first time I read concrete news on the ST associates programme in a long time

. . . yeah it seems that the process it's awful slow if not dead. First associate member airline entry into SkyTeam should have been taken place last year in June. Instead first entry - Air Europe - is now rumored for June this year. Something went wrong in there . . .

Quoting Skyteam10001 (Thread starter):
I am assuming all the other airlines that are supposed to become associates (Copa, Tarom, Kenya Airlines) will get in at the same time though the article doesn't say.

I am afraid that's not the case anymore. As far as I know Tarom already expressed their second thoughts on previously announced intention to join Sky Team partnership, announcing lately that it might consider a similar offer coming from Star Alliance !!!!!??


User currently offlineDALelite From Switzerland, joined Jun 2000, 1770 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5475 times:

Quoting DZ09 (Reply 10):
I am hoping that EK would change its mind and join an alliance preferably Sky Team.

I've been hoping this for years!! EK would be the jewel of Skyteam which somehow have become a third class alliance IMO.

let's hope: DALelite



They loved to fly and it showed..
User currently offlineForgotMyNick From Poland, joined Jan 2007, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5475 times:

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 15):
If UX does become an associate SkyTeam member, maybe they'll be the ones taking over NM MAD-PTY service.

Who knows...
Although for now, Spanish govt's preferred guys to take over routes left by Air Madrid are LTU. Read here:
IB And LTU Interested In Taking Over NM's MAD-TLC! (by RootsAir Jan 13 2007 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlineTGV From France, joined Dec 2004, 874 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5459 times:

Quoting Azstagecoach (Reply 13):
I have a hard time finding pictures of the J seat on their website

Try here!  biggrin 

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Avoid 777 with 3-4-3 config in Y ! They are real sardine cans. (AF/KL for example)
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7575 posts, RR: 43
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5417 times:

Quoting Aisak (Reply 8):
No you can't. Air Europa is not one of the Club Premier partners so you won't get miles.

People ussually over-rate the alliance thing. It's not "Aeromexico is part of SkyTeam so i can get miles with Skyteam". Try thinking of "AM, being part of Skyteam, has to grant miles into other airlines FF programs and these other airlines have to do so with Aeromexico Club Premier, under the agreements set one-to-one between Club Premier and these other airlines".

So for you to get miles with Air Europa, Air Europa and Club Premier must sign an agreement before or when joining.

AM and UX codeshare on AM's MEX-MAD flights and on UX' MAD-CUN flights, and I was under the impression that you could accrue AM miles when flying UX' MAD-CUN. But true, you cannot earn AM miles when flying other UX routes.

Quoting Toxtethogrady (Reply 12):
So will we get MAD-IAH out of this? With all the connections out of IAH to Latin America and the million-plus Hispanics in Houston, this should be a big market.

I am sorry buddy, but I do not see how MAD-IAH could be interesting for UX. Could you please explain what your idea is?



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineToxtethogrady From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1289 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5396 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 20):
I am sorry buddy, but I do not see how MAD-IAH could be interesting for UX. Could you please explain what your idea is?

There's that big CO hub at IAH, with its connections to Latin America. It's enticing enough for the Koreans.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7575 posts, RR: 43
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5388 times:

I see your point. Well, if UX decides to have a larger presence in Latin America, I am sure MAD-IAH would be one choice, given CO's coverage of Mexico. For a better coverage of the entire region, though, they could try flying to PTY from MAD, and codesharing with CM ex-PTY.


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineRobertS975 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 941 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5212 times:
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The main attraction of Air Europa in SkyTeam would be to allow onward travel from MAD and BCN DL and CO arrivals.

User currently offlinePdpsol From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1115 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5151 times:

Quoting Toxtethogrady (Reply 12):
With all the connections out of IAH to Latin America and the million-plus Hispanics in Houston, this should be a big market.

What do the 'million-plus Hispanics in Houston' have to do with an IAH-MAD/BCN route? Why would Hispanics in the US travel to Spain? Other than CO adding one more European destination from IAH, does not appear to be any link...

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 22):
Well, if UX decides to have a larger presence in Latin America, I am sure MAD-IAH would be one choice, given CO's coverage of Mexico. For a better coverage of the entire region, though, they could try flying to PTY from MAD, and codesharing with CM ex-PTY.

This would seem to make A LOT more sense; UX flying MAD-PTY on CM-codeshare.


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