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Chances Of NW... DTW-PVG/PEK  
User currently offlineDetroitflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 391 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1833 times:

Now that NW has lost the bid to united, what do yal think the chances are of them pulling the NRT- China service and doing it directly from detroit.???


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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1826 times:

Not terribly likely.

NW does not have the aircraft to properly do DTW-China non-stop. It has been discussed that (a) the 747-400 is too much aircraft while the 330 doesn't have the range, and (b) NW might try again when the 787's are added to the fleet.

More discussion here:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eneral_aviation/read.main/3194158/



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7562 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1816 times:

Not too much. NW likes having there NRT hub and thats probably will they will keep as opposed to dismantleing it for DTW. Not to mention that with a hub at NRT, they can serve the west coast, somthing that cant be done through DTW to asia from the west coast.


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User currently offline777d From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 300 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1807 times:

I realize that some consider NRT a hub and some a semi-hub, but if I was flying to mainland China, I would want to fly non-stop instead of making the stop in NRT. Are these inter-Asia routes becoming more archaic when many airlines are point to point?

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User currently offlineUnitedNRT From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 284 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1785 times:

Quoting 777d (Reply 3):

God no, keep in mind that the hubs operated by United and Northwest cater to Asian traffic and the United States traffic base. These are very important footholds on the continent. NW and UA need these respective footholds as they are the core of the Asian operations for each.

quote=777d,reply=3]I would want to fly non-stop instead of making the stop in NRT[/quote]

Understandably so, but the Northwest Airlines passenger base living in Japan/China want a nonstop also between the Asian cities as well. NW and UA cater to two sets of passengers with these services.



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User currently offlineDetroitflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1675 times:

i still dont understand why the japaneese government would allow american legacy carriers to operate hubs in their cities, shouldnt they be promoting higher usage of JAL, ANA????


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User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1638 times:

Quoting Detroitflyer (Reply 5):
i still dont understand why the japaneese government would allow american legacy carriers to operate hubs in their cities

old story. You know that airline called Northwest Airlines? They basically helped build up post war passenger aviation. In return they got rights. Some of the first JL domestic flights in Japan were actually flown by NW pilots. The Original JL F/A facility had NW F/A as instructors. At least that is what I read someplace.

Also remember that not even 20 years ago flying from ORD-HKG would have been difficult to impossible without a tech stop. Japan became a major stopping point.

Japanese government doesn't have any control over NH or JL.

I think NW will need to think about a west coast to China route or wait and try to do DTW-China with a 787.



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User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1550 times:

Quoting 777d (Reply 3):
I realize that some consider NRT a hub and some a semi-hub, but if I was flying to mainland China, I would want to fly non-stop instead of making the stop in NRT.

The value that NW gets out of NRT is that they can also take Japanese passengers from NRT to China, a market that is larger than any single city in the U.S. It has even more value since UA moved all of its mainland China flights to the U.S., reducing the competition.


User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3704 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1547 times:
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Quoting Detroitflyer (Reply 5):
i still dont understand why the japaneese government would allow american legacy carriers to operate hubs in their cities, shouldnt they be promoting higher usage of JAL, ANA????

Because Northwest has been serving Japan for longer than any other airline has. They as Centrair said literally helped establish aviation in Japan, and have been granted certain privileges for that.



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