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"Air India One Step Closer To Houston"...?  
User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3954 posts, RR: 22
Posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 7178 times:

Per the HAS website, via Jim @ the IAH Spotters Club.

http://www.fly2houston.com/0/93828/0/1906D1934/

Discuss....

Thomas


"Show me the Braniffs"
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User currently offlineBlrBird From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 579 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7164 times:

Will it be BOM-IAH or DEL-IAH? IATA Winter '07 or Summer '08?


from star dust....
User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7143 times:

Quoting BlrBird (Reply 1):
Will it be BOM-IAH or DEL-IAH? IATA Winter '07 or Summer '08?

Let's hope its a Chennai-Houston daily nonstop!!  wink 


User currently offlineAKLDELNonstop From New Zealand, joined Apr 2006, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7116 times:

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 2):

Jay, you know thats not happening, and I see you picking up another row with our doctor friend. Why dont you pm him the link for this thread.

Let the fireworks begin Big grin

Cheers


User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3954 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7089 times:

Quoting BlrBird (Reply 1):
Will it be BOM-IAH or DEL-IAH? IATA Winter '07 or Summer '08?

Well I don't see a firm commitment on AI's part to start any of the listed cities, however I suspect they will. That said, being the 'negative nellie' that I am, I would say that IAH would be at the bottom of the list of proposed US gateways. Given that AI moves at glacial speeds, I would not look to see AI at IAH before '09'

Just my .02

Thomas



"Show me the Braniffs"
User currently offlineManny From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7044 times:

Based on news that AI was close to joining the STAR ALLIANCE there is a better chance that the first two new destinations would be IAD and SFO for obvious reasons. Since 9W intends to fly to SFO in the near future, the flight to IAD might start before the flight to SFO. IAH if it happens would come after that.

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 4):
Given that AI moves at glacial speeds

AI does not move at glacial speeds, i think you are referring to the process of A/C acquistion which had a lot to do with how the Government of India functions in these cases.


User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5090 posts, RR: 55
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7017 times:

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 4):
Given that AI moves at glacial speeds, I would not look to see AI at IAH before '09'

= Now now ... given global warming, we have seen that glaciers have picked up speed. AI cannot be far behind. I actually think AI has done well with its limited aircrafts.

Cheers,
A.



Live, and let live.
User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6990 times:

Quoting BlrBird (Reply 1):
Will it be BOM-IAH or DEL-IAH? IATA Winter '07 or Summer '08?

Those would be -200LR routes for sure if they are going to start in '07/'08..I could also see them as potential 787 routes down the line....



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offline102IAHexpress From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1156 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6977 times:

Quoting Manny (Reply 5):
Based on news that AI was close to joining the STAR ALLIANCE there is a better chance that the first two new destinations would be IAD and SFO for obvious reasons.

So, because AI has not joined Star, that makes them more likely to start SFO and IAD before IAH? Could you please elaborate as it’s not obvious to me?

Quoting Manny (Reply 5):
IAH if it happens would come after that.

If it happens?


User currently offlineManny From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6944 times:

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 8):
So, because AI has not joined Star, that makes them more likely to start SFO and IAD before IAH? Could you please elaborate as it’s not obvious to me?

SFO & IAD are UA hubs. UA is a biggest STAR alliance carrier in US. Since AI is close to joining STAR Alliance it makes more sense they would fly to a STAR Alliance base where they have pretty good O&D demand as well as an oppurtunity to get a feeder traffic from UA. Hope that clarifies things.

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 8):
If it happens?

We will all know when AI makes an annoucement.


User currently offlinePbb152 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 615 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6776 times:

I would be shocked if AI shows up at IAH in 2007. I really don't even think they will show up in 2008. Down the road I could see AI or Jet starting service in the 2009 or 2010 timeframe. In fact, if an Indian carrier is not serving IAH and/or DFW by 2010 then CO will from IAH. AA will not have an aircraft capable of nonstop service to India from DFW by that time, but could conceivably start a one-stop thru flight via Europe. CO could start nonstop service from IAH with their 787's, and would be foolish not to if their is not an Indian carrier in the market by that time.

User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2889 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6672 times:

Quoting Pbb152 (Reply 10):
would be shocked if AI shows up at IAH in 2007. I really don't even think they will show up in 2008. Down the road I could see AI or Jet starting service in the 2009 or 2010 timeframe

Totally agree with you on this one mate---the indian carriers will have to solidify their holds on their current markets in JFK EWR ORD and reclaim lost ground on unestablished markets like LAX.

This will be done by putting brand new products and right aircraft capacity on the given route.

Like a 77W will be perfect for the markets of LAX and EWR and a combination of the 772LR along with the current one stop being operated by a 77W would work wonders for the markets of JFK and ORD.

And once these markets are strongholds priority will be given to the likes of SFO followed IAH

Karan


User currently offlineToxtethogrady From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6617 times:

I didn't see a definite commitment; all that's happening is Air India is buying some airplanes. With the number of South Asians buying homes in Houston, I'd expect it to happen, but until the actual announcement I would not guarantee anything.

User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6553 times:

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 11):
Like a 77W will be perfect for the markets of LAX and EWR and a combination of the 772LR along with the current one stop being operated by a 77W would work wonders for the markets of JFK and ORD.

Did you mean 772LR for LAX and 773ER for EWR? Seems like LAX-BOM non-stop may be impossible with 773ER, and LAX-DEL may be difficult without significant payload penalty. I base this on the following analysis:

CO has not experienced any technical stops flying EWR-DEL--a distance of 7324 miles--with 772ER which has a stated range of 8937 miles. However, DL has already experienced technical stops on JFK-BOM-- a distance of 7799 miles--with 772ER. Seems like the EWR-DEL flight at 82% of 772ER's range works, while the JFK-BOM flight at 87% of 772ER range needs occasional technical stops.

LAX-DEL is 8013 miles, and LAX-BOM is 8709 miles. The stated range for 773ER is 9121 miles, which IMO makes BOM impossible at 95% of 773ER's range, and DEL a possibility at 88% of 773ER's range with occasional technical stops.

JFK-DEL is at 80%, and JFK-BOM at 86% of 773ER's range.


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6526 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 13):
I base this on the following analysis:

Lets not forget that the CO 777s are GE90 powered and the DL 777s are RR Trent powered. That does make a difference.


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6513 times:

Quoting B747-437B (Reply 14):
Lets not forget that the CO 777s are GE90 powered and the DL 777s are RR Trent powered. That does make a difference.

Does that mean GE90s are better optimised for cruising?


User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6506 times:

Quoting Pbb152 (Reply 10):
CO could start nonstop service from IAH with their 787's, and would be foolish not to if their is not an Indian carrier in the market by that time.

The 787-8 (that's the model CO ordered, correct me if I'm wrong) seems to be a perfect fit for the route. It's efficient, has the legs, and it's not a huge jet to fill.

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 11):
And once these markets are strongholds priority will be given to the likes of SFO followed IAH

I wouldn't be completely sure. Every time I fly Europe-Houston or the other way, generally half or more of the flight are people transiting from India to Houston. The airlines who don't want nonstop US-India services are AF, BA, LH, KLM, etc, as they will lose a lot of connecting passengers.


User currently offlineCHI787ORD From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 523 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6440 times:

Quoting Manny (Reply 9):
SFO & IAD are UA hubs. UA is a biggest STAR alliance carrier in US. Since AI is close to joining STAR Alliance it makes more sense they would fly to a STAR Alliance base where they have pretty good O&D demand as well as an oppurtunity to get a feeder traffic from UA. Hope that clarifies things.

AI already flies 10x a week to ORD (now 7x due to fleet shortage)... Im assuming when AI joins Star, their frequencies will increase at ORD to something like 14x.


User currently offlineManny From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6358 times:

Quoting Manny (Reply 5):
Based on news that AI was close to joining the STAR ALLIANCE there is a better chance that the first two new destinations would be IAD and SFO for obvious reasons.



Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 17):
AI already flies 10x a week to ORD (now 7x due to fleet shortage)... Im assuming when AI joins Star, their frequencies will increase at ORD to something like 14x.

Ironically i remember mentioning this in another thread. They had 10 frequencies to ORD and now are down to 7x weekly. ( 4 via FRA, 3 via LHR).

But if you look at my previous reply i was talking about new destinations not existing ones.  sigh 


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6316 times:

I don't think AI ever flew 10x weekly to ORD.

They had a 3x weekly service via LHR. When FRA came online again a few years ago, they increased services to ORD to a daily run.


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8372 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6247 times:
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Houston doesn't seem to be that important in Air India's wish list but since Pakistan flies there, there has to be something to Houston. With service to Newark, JFK, ORD and LAX the next US city for Air India should be Washington or Miami.

User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6109 times:

To be truly competitive, AI needs to launch nonstop JFK-DEL or JFK-BOM flights or both, as soon as possible. The company should also look to update its tatty image and join an alliance. Makes more sense for AI to join Skyteam than Star. AI has through service via CDG more than any other Star hub apart from LHR and can also benefit from multiple connections to the USA via AMS on Sky carrier NW.

There is a significant Indian population in and around Houston, but I do not see a Houston-India market. The PIA flights operate via MAN.

ContinentalEWR


User currently offline102IAHexpress From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1156 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6049 times:

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 20):
the next US city for Air India should be Washington or Miami.

Miami?

AI to IAH is a matter of when not if. If you guys think Houston lacks the O&D then I suggest you take a stroll through the Texas medical center.


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5987 times:

Quoting ContinentalEWR (Reply 21):
AI has through service via CDG more than any other Star hub apart from LHR

AI flies from CDG to EWR.

AI flies from FRA to LAX and ORD.
AI flies from LHR to JFK and ORD.

Hmm....


User currently offlineToxtethogrady From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5905 times:

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 20):
Houston doesn't seem to be that important in Air India's wish list but since Pakistan flies there, there has to be something to Houston.

A lot of Indians and Pakistanis are moving to Houston, and then there are the visitors to the Texas Medical Center. They will support the trips. Supposedly, Houston has the largest concentration of South Asians in the United States outside of New York City.


25 Thomasphoto60 : Uh oh.....I think you just opened up a tin of worms there pal. Someone will likely challenge you assertions (probably A.Netters from the Chicago, D.C
26 Post contains images Jacobin777 : 1)PK ended their IAH services-not because there wasn't enough traffic, but PK did such a piss-poor job in advertising, that not only did Pakistanis n
27 Toxtethogrady : I live in DC; we have a lot of Indians, but IAH supposedly has more...says the Partnership. SFO would be the most likely challenger, thanks to all th
28 Toxtethogrady : I hadn't heard they were officially out. I also heard that ther rights to operate in Europe were at risk of being yanked due to safety concerns...whi
29 Jacobin777 : They dont' fly to IAH right now, even though a few of the B747's which were in question are back online..not to mention the addition of the B773ER wh
30 Post contains images Manny : Yes they did.
31 Karan69 : No mate if you read my post carefully i clearly mention that a 77W--[773ER] will be perfect for the markets of LAX and EWR and they should go double
32 Post contains images Manny : I read it somewhere online sometime ago. I will google it, if i find the link i will post it. If not, its not the end of the world.
33 Cricket : AI's intentions of starting either a one-stop or a non-stop India-Texas flight are quite clear - and a priority for AI - just below starting SFO. BNot
34 B747-437B : Not quite correct. AI started 2x weekly ORD service in 1996 via FRA. They increased that to 3x weekly in 1997. They moved the stop from FRA to LHR in
35 Post contains images AirbusfanYYZ : Medical Centres, IT companies of every mid-to-large city in North America are filled with South Asians. There are over a billion of us...remember? It
36 Post contains images Boeing747_600 : Step 1: Make a rough estimate of the size of the Pakistani population Step 2: Multiply that number by a factor of 4 The number you get is the lower b
37 Post contains images Jacobin777 : That's a good way of "guesstimating" the local Indian population...... However, here in the Bay Area, I think its a factor of 6...
38 Shanderawx : And per the author Abraham Verghese, the best way to estimate the Indian population in a community is to count the number of Patels in the telephone d
39 ConcordeBoy : Sure, but that has nothing to do with the situation in question. Basically... the Trent892-17s that DL (currently) ops are significantly lighter than
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