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737-200 Crash Lands - No Injuries  
User currently offlineJetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2209 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 14675 times:

A 737 cargo aircraft from Kuala Lumpur crash-landed at Kuching International Airport here early Saturday, causing the airport runway to be closed for six hours

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp...3/nation/20070113110057&sec=nation


Where's the passion gone out of the airline industry? The smell of jetfuel and the romance of taking a flight....
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User currently offlineJetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 14604 times:

Likely to be one of these two old girls. A search of the operator's fleet said average fleet age is 35 years


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I am still trying to tarce the origins of these two planes, but likely come from these operators. I would imagine she will be a write off


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Where's the passion gone out of the airline industry? The smell of jetfuel and the romance of taking a flight....
User currently offlineJetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 14572 times:

I found 3 737-200's listed for the pricipla operator RPX

http://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-b737-20943.htm
http://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-b737-20256.htm
as above

plus
http://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-b737-20944.htm

It turns out that RPX is yet another Indonesian operator although their website talks of on 2 aircraft
http://www.rpxholding.com/about.php



Where's the passion gone out of the airline industry? The smell of jetfuel and the romance of taking a flight....
User currently offlineMagyarorszag From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 14560 times:

Quoting Jetfuel (Reply 2):
I found 3 737-200's listed for the pricipla operator RPX

These are pretty old birds! PK-RPH has had a rather long list of operators.

Cheers.


User currently offlinePaparadzi From Malaysia, joined Jan 2005, 202 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 14338 times:

It is confirmed to be PK-RPX.

A local spotter took some pictures a few hours after the accident. You can see them here: http://www.malaysianwings.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=4638



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User currently offlineJetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 14278 times:

Quoting Paparadzi (Reply 4):
It is confirmed to be PK-RPX

Thankyou for that. So its a 1969 build aircraft originally with Lufthansa


Quick link to a couple of the photos of her today after the accident

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v504/del332/RPX1359.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v504/del332/RPX1363.jpg

Confirmed, another Indonesian 737 to add to the write off list



Where's the passion gone out of the airline industry? The smell of jetfuel and the romance of taking a flight....
User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10657 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 14105 times:

Let me guess, the standard of maintenance is reflected by its cared for outward appearance?  Wink

I´ve never seen a dirtier plane in service.

According to aviation-safety-net database this is the 102nd 737-200 lost.


User currently offlinePaparadzi From Malaysia, joined Jan 2005, 202 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 13865 times:

Aftermath photo is in the database.


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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12411 posts, RR: 37
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 13783 times:

Delivered 11 Feb 1970 to Lufthansa as D-ABFE ("Trier"); 37 years old next month.

Goodbye Norman (that's the name they gave it.)


User currently offlineDesediez From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 11689 times:

Quoting NA (Reply 6):
According to aviation-safety-net database this is the 102nd 737-200 lost.

About 10 737 (all series) losses happened while being under Indonesian registration up to now. This is worse the statistics of Nigeria, as for that country i was able to figure out 6 737 losses.


User currently offlineJafa39 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 11280 times:

Just goes to show what tough old birds the 737's are though!

User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10657 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 10642 times:

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 10):
Just goes to show what tough old birds the 737's are though!

What are you referring to, the apalling loss rate of the 732, almost 10% of the production?  Wink


User currently offlineAccess-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 10585 times:

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 10):
Just goes to show what tough old birds the 737's are though!

Except when being flown by people that DONT HAVE have proper flight training and fly in environments where pilots have to guess where to land and take off.....

Access-Air



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User currently offlineAA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1235 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9649 times:

I believe this makes the magic 100th 732 to be written off. Not exactly a record to be envied, but it's something I guess. I read in a thread a few months ago from someone that they were expecting the 100th loss soon. If this a/c is written off, she will receive the dubious honor.


Sic 'em bears
User currently offlineDiesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1637 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9281 times:

Quoting NA (Reply 11):

Here we go again....

NA you must look at the big picture, the causes and circumstances around the accidents.

it's not just the aircraft, there is a whole lot more to take into consideration.



I don't like signatures...
User currently offlineSRforever From Switzerland, joined Dec 2006, 129 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 8837 times:

fortunately doesn't look to bad

User currently offlineBoeing767mech From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1025 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 8285 times:

Its interesting how the engines are sheared off. Never seen a engine sheared off so clean, I know that is how it is designed,just never seen it.

David



Never under-estimate the predictably of stupidty
User currently offlineConjureMe From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 36 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7863 times:

What was the reason for the "crash" landing? Was it an emergency or what?


Never let the plane take you somewhere your brain didn't get to five minutes ago.
User currently offlineSSTsomeday From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 1276 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6738 times:

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 10):
Just goes to show what tough old birds the 737's are though!

Yeah, all crash landings should be this neat and clean. Engines and gear sheered off, slides to a stop, and no fire.

Quoting NA (Reply 11):
What are you referring to, the appalling loss rate of the 732, almost 10% of the production?  

Well, there are a lot of variables to consider...

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 12):
Except when being flown by people that DONT HAVE have proper flight training and fly in environments where pilots have to guess where to land and take off.....

Not mention what kind of maintenance do these A/C in certain 3rd world countries get? And what type of weather services and weather radar, glideslope, windshear warning etc. services are offered by these airports? And how many other A/C types are still operating after 35 years and have this many hours on them? Also, these A/C do many more cycles than larger planes.

Interesting trivia: I believe at one point many years ago, MD finally had to officially announce re: the DC-3: "We are no longer responsible for any DC-3's/Dakota's still flying..." Is that correct?



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User currently offlineJafa39 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6550 times:

Quoting NA (Reply 11):
What are you referring to, the apalling loss rate of the 732, almost 10% of the production?

I was referring to the fact that it really didn't wheels to land.

As has been mentioned, this didn't die because the a/c is rubbish from new. It, and many other old a/c crashed because they last long nough to end up being flown by some pretty shonky operations, can you imagine QF flying a crate in that state?


User currently offlineDw747400 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 1257 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6302 times:

Quoting Diesel1 (Reply 14):
it's not just the aircraft, there is a whole lot more to take into consideration.

Exactly. Many of the 732s now find themselves with companies that really have no business operating any airplane. Its a good airframe--not as good as the modern 737 obviously--but still very safe when properly maintained and flown.



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User currently offlineGlideslope From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1605 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4405 times:

Quoting Dw747400 (Reply 20):
Exactly. Many of the 732s now find themselves with companies that really have no business operating any airplane. Its a good airframe--not as good as the modern 737 obviously--but still very safe when properly maintained and flown.

No business even looking at aircraft, IMO.



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User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6770 posts, RR: 75
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3833 times:

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 12):
Except when being flown by people that DONT HAVE have proper flight training and fly in environments where pilots have to guess where to land and take off.....



Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 18):
Not mention what kind of maintenance do these A/C in certain 3rd world countries get? And what type of weather services and weather radar, glideslope, windshear warning etc. services are offered by these airports? And how many other A/C types are still operating after 35 years and have this many hours on them? Also, these A/C do many more cycles than larger planes.

I know people who fly that aircraft, one I know well, and he doesn't mess around, nor does he allow his crew to mess around when he's flying... and he has proper flight training... and KCH isn't exactly an outpost or a dirt strip either ! "3rd world operators" fly 732/3/4, 744, 777s, A332/333 out of the airport...

As for 3rd world operators skidding off at KCH... does one mean when SQ skidded off one of it's A310s some years ago SQ is also a 3rd world operator? *puzzled*

The accident happened in Malaysia... with relatively good ATCS, nice weather service, calibrated Navaids, and good emergency equipment (KCH is anyways). Normally there's full ILS, but not on that day. No fire happened, so one can safely guess the fire trucks were there muy pronto!

The aircraft maintenance however, needs a look into. And the question remains whether the aircraft and/or the crew were prepared for the approach or not.

Quoting Boeing767mech (Reply 16):
Its interesting how the engines are sheared off. Never seen a engine sheared off so clean, I know that is how it is designed,just never seen it.

Current info indicates that it was a localizer approach only, glideslope unserviceable. The airport is known to cause unstable approaches if not cautious... especially when low clouds are in of various sorts. Waiting info regarding heavy rains (need confirmation).

A/C reported landed short, then went on to the runway before veering to the right of the runway where the right engine and main landing gear detached (and rested on the grass). Aircraft ended facing almost 180degs the approach direction.
Left engine detached and remained under fuselage when it came to rest, damaging left inboad flaps (Well, detaching it almost). Right outboard flaps badly damaged due to strain of scraping the grass backwards.

Seen the pics prior to removal but not allowed for dissemmination pending accident investigation... unfortunately...

Mandala499



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User currently offlinePaparadzi From Malaysia, joined Jan 2005, 202 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3498 times:

Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 22):
Current info indicates that it was a localizer approach only, glideslope unserviceable.

I wonder if the GS is really out this time. Sometimes KCH ATC will gives you LOC only approach even though the GS is working fine because........ the approach light is out! Currently there is no approach light into KCH as the lights has been removed due to runway extension works.

Also, KCH is well known among the locals for early morning fog and low clouds, and heavy thunderstorm in the afternoon. High surrounding terrain necessitates a tricky go-around procedures as well. Runway length is just over 8000 ft and shouldn't be a problem for B737s and A320s.



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User currently offlineLitz From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1757 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3351 times:
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Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 18):
And how many other A/C types are still operating after 35 years and have this many hours on them?

That can pretty much be summed up in one word : "DC9"

There are other old aircraft types still flying - DC3's, 707s, DC8s, etc.

But other than the original 737s, the DC9 is pretty much the sole type from that era that still flies regular commercial service in large numbers.

- litz


25 Airfoilsguy : It obviously hasen't been washed in a while. I wounder what else has been neglected on that plane?
26 SJC-Alien : Delivered 11 Feb 1970 to Lufthansa as D-ABFE ("Trier"); 37 years old next month. Goodbye Norman (that's the name they gave it.) ...Norman...?
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