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User currently offline1stclass From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 25 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3137 times:

UA will resume daily SFO-TPE service in April with 744. Does anyone know what's UA's plan for 2x daily services to NRT and NGO. I just don't see TPE has enough traffic load to support 3x daily flights to US either nonstop or via Japan, unless there is enoguh O&D traffic to NGO.

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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26450 posts, RR: 75
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3114 times:

Quoting 1stclass (Thread starter):
UA will resume daily SFO-TPE service in April with 744. Does anyone know what's UA's plan for 2x daily services to NRT and NGO. I just don't see TPE has enough traffic load to support 3x daily flights to US either nonstop or via Japan, unless there is enoguh O&D traffic to NGO.

Remember, those Japan stops pull in traffic as well.



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25199 posts, RR: 48
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3098 times:

SFO-TPE B744 nonstop begins June 7th.

The NRT-TPE flight continues uninterrupted while NGO-TPE tag ends June 7th.



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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8135 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3092 times:

Don't remind me. It's going to be so sad to see only one UA bird here per day again whereas CO and NW have two or more.


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User currently offlineUnitedNRT From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 284 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3011 times:

Narita service will remain.


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User currently offlineTundra767 From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2005, 430 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3006 times:

Just flew to TPE last week both flight NRT-TPE and TPE-NRT were packed!

User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2984 times:

UA can certainly carry the TPE route, and likely they will see better loads than NGO, also in terms of west coast to TPE, they are competing with EVA, who is more or less parternless in north america, and China Airlines, whose partner, DL, cannot offer half the connectivity out of LAX that UA can offer out of SFO for north american connections. Good for UA.


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User currently offline1stclass From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2915 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 2):
SFO-TPE B744 nonstop begins June 7th.

The NRT-TPE flight continues uninterrupted while NGO-TPE tag ends June 7th.

Will SFO-NGO extend its service to somewhere else?


User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8135 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2862 times:

They had better or they're going to have an airplane spending a lot of time on the ground again.


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User currently offlineTundra767 From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2005, 430 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2566 times:

This is interesting. Would be nice to see another asian city added. KUL, MNL possibilities are endless.

User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2314 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 8):
They had better or they're going to have an airplane spending a lot of time on the ground again.

How long would it be on the ground? When the route first started (before the TPE tag-on) I think it was here for quite a few hours.

Quoting Tundra767 (Reply 9):
KUL, MNL possibilities are endless.

I wouldn't say endless. They are limited by profitability...sadly.
Well KUL is underserved that is for sure. We have 4x week on MH with I believe an A330. But could it even deal with competition. I don't think it could be supported.
But MNL has PAL 5x week (A333) and NWA daily (B744) competing on it. JL just pulled out of NGO-MNL (767 don't remember frequency).
Other possibilites could be India. Some have talked about US carriers like NW and UA using their 5th freedom to do flights to India from Japan. I doubt they would do this but it is a possibility.

The destinations that are most in demand from NGO are in China. But we do have some limited competition on HKG. Non-stop is CX only with somethinkg like 3 daily and then one via TPE. UA could take one of those routes away (though I would still fly CX) but that would make yet another route to HKG that is not really needed.

That all being said, there were rumors that UA might consider ORD-NGO. It didn't work for AA but it might work for UA as they could capture the the Toyota contract to their Midwest facilities. That contract is currently with NW.
I would not mind this route as it would give me an alternate to the midwest.



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User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2222 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2231 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 10):
That all being said, there were rumors that UA might consider ORD-NGO. It didn't work for AA but it might work for UA as they could capture the the Toyota contract to their Midwest facilities. That contract is currently with NW.
I would not mind this route as it would give me an alternate to the midwest.

I think it'll be pretty hard for UA to get the contract from NW. Toyota has a major research laboratory in the Detroit suburbs, and many of Toyota's suppliers also have R&D facilities in the Detroit area. United would have to significantly underprice NW to offset the aggravation Toyota's passengers would have to go through by changing planes at ORD (including taking the monorail from the international to the domestic terminals after arriving from NGO), instead of taking a nonstop on NW.



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User currently offlineRamprat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1531 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2168 times:

I'm pretty sure United has the Japan-USA Toyota contract now?

User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7583 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2071 times:

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 6):
UA can certainly carry the TPE route, and likely they will see better loads than NGO, also in terms of west coast to TPE, they are competing with EVA, who is more or less parternless in north america, and China Airlines, whose partner, DL, cannot offer half the connectivity out of LAX that UA can offer out of SFO for north american connections. Good for UA.

Tis true. I think SFO relies mostly on connectivity whereas LAX is mostly O&D. UA has done a great job with SFO, I wish one of the domestic airlines would do that at LAX. But at LAX, we have so many more Asian carriers and so much more competition than SFO, so why would they?



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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8135 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1951 times:

How long would it be on the ground? When the route first started (before the TPE tag-on) I think it was here for quite a few hours.

When it first started, it was almost 23 hours of ground time. Arrival time was 1640 local and departure time for SFO was 1535.

I'm pretty sure United has the Japan-USA Toyota contract now?

No, it's split between west coast and midwest. UA's contract is for Toyota and subsidiaries on the west coast.

I think it'll be pretty hard for UA to get the contract from NW. Toyota has a major research laboratory in the Detroit suburbs, and many of Toyota's suppliers also have R&D facilities in the Detroit area. United would have to significantly underprice NW to offset the aggravation Toyota's passengers would have to go through by changing planes at ORD (including taking the monorail from the international to the domestic terminals after arriving from NGO), instead of taking a nonstop on NW.

Most of the people using NW to DTW are making a connection there to either SDF/CVG or IND. The R&D facilities in suburban Detroit don't require very much back and forth. Suppliers like TMMK and the new Subaru joint-venture in Indiana require more manpower movement as they are actual production facilities. It should be noted that almost every major Toyota group company in the Nagoya area has some operations in northern Kentucky or Indiana now.

[Edited 2007-01-16 01:14:59]

[Edited 2007-01-16 01:15:21]


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User currently offlineBrenintw From Taiwan, joined Jul 2006, 1636 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1889 times:

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 6):
they are competing with EVA, who is more or less parternless in north america

BR code-shares the TPE-LAX/SFO/SEA flights with CO and AA. I would say that BR is possibly "better partnered" than CI for the North American market.



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User currently offlineTPEcanuck From Taiwan, joined Oct 2005, 89 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1650 times:

Quoting Brenintw (Reply 15):
BR code-shares the TPE-LAX/SFO/SEA flights with CO and AA. I would say that BR is possibly "better partnered" than CI for the North American market.

I think BR is definetly better partnered. Add their code share on TPE-YVR with Air Canada. Certainly makes a choice for compelling value/convenience for anyone connecting beyond YVR in the TPE-Canada market.

That said however, I'm glad UA is back on TPE-SFO. I used to do the flight from YYZ-SFO-TPE because I could take a nice day or two stopover in SFO to break up the long flight and see something fun! (Not that YVR isn't fun, but, well, ok!) The cost of both CI and BR into YVR is becoming nuts! (I've seen flights quoted that are regularly 20-30% more than BR/CI flights into LA) so offering another way to get to the Canadian eastcoast makes an interesting choice for me!

Cheers!


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