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Singapore Gets 4 773ER's In 2 Weeks  
User currently offlineAlexinwa From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1150 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 9140 times:

I was looking at the Boeing website and saw that SQ got 4 777-300ER's between Dec. 15th and Dec. 31st.

This seems odd. They don't come off the line that fast. Is this due to airline choice or maybe the way the finacing was done? Are the aircraft paid for in full at time of order or delivery?

I thought 2 a month was alot, but 4 in two weeks....WOW!!!


You mad Bro???
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User currently offlineAlexInWa From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 9152 times:

As a follow-up......AirTran got 4 737-700's in about 2 weeks as well in December.


You mad Bro???
User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 9083 times:

There are generally three payments made for an airliner, the first at order and the last at delivery.

SQ took their first six 777-300ERs in six weeks. SQ had requested a delay in delivery of the first few and there was some slot swapping. The 777 production rate is now 7/month.


User currently offlineTrevd From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 327 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 9019 times:

Believe these aircraft were shop complete some time ago but SQ and their IFE and seat vendors have had some significant shortages and problems getting parts to the airplane on time. Last time I was up in Evertt (mid-Dec) I saw 3 of these a/c.

Good to see that SQ and their vendors got some of their parts problems sorted out to allow the a/c to deliver

Trev...


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4504 posts, RR: 71
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8791 times:

When introducing a new longhaul aircraft, in order to better guarantee operational stability, minimize delays and increase utilization rates, it is always preferable to take delivery of a couple of frames in a relatively short time frame than to spread out deliveries. When SQ took delivery of the A345s two years ago, as such, the airline took 3 frames in a short time as well.

User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6485 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8669 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 4):
When introducing a new longhaul aircraft, in order to better guarantee operational stability, minimize delays and increase utilization rates, it is always preferable to take delivery of a couple of frames in a relatively short time frame than to spread out deliveries. When SQ took delivery of the A345s two years ago, as such, the airline took 3 frames in a short time as well.

Yes, that must explain why SQ is getting screwed by only having one A380 for almost a half a year.  Wink



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8660 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 5):
Yes, that must explain why SQ is getting screwed by only having one A380 for almost a half a year.

..but that's not SQ's fault..if they had a choice, I'm sure the would love to have 3-4 of the Big Beasts in their fleet in a short period of time...



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User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8544 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 5):
Yes, that must explain why SQ is getting screwed by only having one A380 for almost a half a year.

How do you start long haul service with one aircraft????


User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8509 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 5):
Yes, that must explain why SQ is getting screwed by only having one A380 for almost a half a year.

When are they getting this A380?


User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6485 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8448 times:

Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 7):
How do you start long haul service with one aircraft????

That's exactly my point. The single A380 seems of little use other than allowing personnel to get familiar with the aircraft.

Quoting Amirs (Reply 8):

When are they getting this A380?

October of this year.



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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8369 times:

Quoting Amirs (Reply 8):
When are they getting this A380?

No one really knows. It was contracted for delivery in February 2006. That slipped to April, then to November, then to December, then to October 2007. There are rumors of yet another (yet to be announced) delay.


User currently offlineReggaebird From Jamaica, joined Nov 1999, 1176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7234 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 10):
No one really knows. It was contracted for delivery in February 2006. That slipped to April, then to November, then to December, then to October 2007. There are rumors of yet another (yet to be announced) delay.

Where have you heard these "rumors"? I haven't seen anything that would suggest a further delay in the A380 deliveries. Indeed, that would be corporate suicide for Airbus to push out the dates again.

Reggaebird


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6844 times:

Quoting Reggaebird (Reply 11):
Where have you heard these "rumors"?

The rumors are rife throughout the industry. Whether or not they are credible is another question. Even if they are credible, they may or may not be true. We'll find out soon.


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4504 posts, RR: 71
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6400 times:

Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 7):
How do you start long haul service with one aircraft????

You can't really. I'm guessing the frame will be used for either a thrice weekly Heathrow service with a couple of HKG turns in between or for a SYD service with some higher frequency, although a daily service is likely out of the question. All in all, nothing really sustainable can be done with a single frame.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31001 posts, RR: 86
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6378 times:
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Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 13):
I'm guessing the frame will be used for either a thrice weekly Heathrow service with a couple of HKG turns in between or for a SYD service with some higher frequency, although a daily service is likely out of the question.

I believe it has been reported here that SQ's first A380 will do SIN-SYD-SIN and once the second through fourth frames arrive, will expand to SIN-SYD-SIN-LHR-SIN.


User currently offlineMD95 From Italy, joined Apr 2005, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6189 times:

The roll out date for the 4 a/cs were: 11/6/06, 11/15/06, 11/26/06 and 12/3/06 while delivery dates for the same a/cs were 12/15/06, 12/23/06, 12/22/06 and 12/31/06.


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User currently offlineFlyDekker From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6190 times:

Does anyone know what routes SQ will be putting the 777-300's on?

User currently offlineBeech19 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 936 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5844 times:

Quoting Alexinwa (Thread starter):
This seems odd. They don't come off the line that fast.

They don't? We pull a completed 777 out every three days... Additionally they get painted in 2-3 days and if all goes well they can be flight tested in only a matter of 3-4 days (if needed).

I've seen from pullout of a 747, thru paint, flight tested and delivered in about 10 days... i beleive this was China Cargo or NCA who took that one... just recently.



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User currently offlineFlyingKangaroo From Australia, joined Apr 2004, 532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5189 times:

Quoting FlyDekker (Reply 16):
Does anyone know what routes SQ will be putting the 777-300's on?

The new 77W is flying SIN-CDG, SIN-MXP-BCN, , and some SIN-HKG services. It will also begin to serve SIN-ZRH and SIN-ICN-SFO early this year.

Don't forget, however, that these are 777-300ERs, not 777-300s. SQ already flies the 777-300s between SIN and many regional Asian destinations.

flyingKangaroo



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User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2976 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5126 times:

Quoting FlyingKangaroo (Reply 18):
Quoting FlyDekker (Reply 16):
Does anyone know what routes SQ will be putting the 777-300's on?

The new 77W is flying SIN-CDG, SIN-MXP-BCN, , and some SIN-HKG services. It will also begin to serve SIN-ZRH and SIN-ICN-SFO early this year.

in a few months you can add SIN-FRA to this list


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4996 times:

Quoting FlyingKangaroo (Reply 18):
The new 77W is flying SIN-CDG, SIN-MXP-BCN, , and some SIN-HKG services. It will also begin to serve SIN-ZRH and SIN-ICN-SFO early this year.



Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 19):
in a few months you can add SIN-FRA to this list

... and SIN-TPE-LAX.

With a huge shortage of capacity to LAX, I would not be surprised to see a new additional SIN-xxx-LAX service using the 777-300ER or a 777-200ER, possibly via HKG, KIX, NGO, or ICN, though PVG or PEK would be better if SQ could get the rights from the Chinese government.


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8376 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4738 times:

Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 7):
How do you start long haul service with one aircraft????



Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 13):
All in all, nothing really sustainable can be done with a single frame.

Are you saying that SIN-SYD-SIN is not a sustainable route? It's only one of SQ's most important routes and one for which the A380 was specifically bought for. You only need one aircraft on routes that are 10 hours long or less.


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4711 times:

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 21):
Are you saying that SIN-SYD-SIN is not a sustainable route?

I don't think PhilSquares was referring to SIN-SYD as long-haul.


User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4384 times:

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 21):
Are you saying that SIN-SYD-SIN is not a sustainable route? It's only one of SQ's most important routes and one for which the A380 was specifically bought for. You only need one aircraft on routes that are 10 hours long or less.



Quoting Zvezda (Reply 22):
Quoting Airbazar (Reply 21):
Are you saying that SIN-SYD-SIN is not a sustainable route?

I don't think PhilSquares was referring to SIN-SYD as long-haul.

Zvezda, thanks for the comments. You're correct, SIN-SYD-SIN isn't long haul at all. You can certainly do that with one aircraft and get the rotation in under 24 hours. My comments were directed at SIN-LHR and if you tag that on the SYD flight you need a minimum of 3 aircraft, actually 4 is the optimum.

So Airbazar, perhaps you need to re-read the posts you referred to in your post. That's not what people are saying at all.


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4311 times:

Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 23):
Zvezda, thanks for the comments. You're correct, SIN-SYD-SIN isn't long haul at all. You can certainly do that with one aircraft and get the rotation in under 24 hours.

You're welcome. At 15.5 hours of block time for the RT, that leaves 8.5 hours per day for turnarounds and line MX. SQ should be able to sustain that daily with one WhaleJet until the second one arrives.


25 Kaitak744 : (not a fact, but VERY likely) 19 777-300ERs = 1-1 777-200ER (long-haul) replacement with addition of SIN-FRA-JFK, SIN-CDG, and SIN-ZRH. So far, route
26 Zvezda : Not surprisingly, this is a mix of routes previously flown by 777-200ERs and 747-400s. SQ will continue to retire 747-400s (like 9V-SPC yesterday) mo
27 Brilondon : That may be the reason for the single A380 for the first six months. So the crews can get up to speed on the new aircraft. I am sure that once they h
28 PhilSquares : Ok, here's the deal!!!! SQ would like to have the 380s now, not in 9 months. Their entire marketing plan is down the tubes because of the 380 DELAYS.
29 Jfk777 : It should be no surprise SIA introducing 4 773ER in a short time. They are introducing the latest version of the their FIRST and Business Class so the
30 Stylo777 : SQ25/26 SIN-FRA-JFK will remain B744 only the evening SQ325/6 SIN-FRA-SIN will be replaced by B77W no B77W in NYC !!!
31 Zvezda : Is that anything like "Take the 10 on order, get 9 free?" For now.
32 Post contains images Jbernie : Is there any traffic #s avilable for people boarding in Singapore for the LHR-SIN-SYD and return flights? Obviously it isnt just Aussies and English g
33 Zvezda : As long as SQ have only one WhaleJet in operation, it will only be flying back and forth SIN-SYD. It won't serve LHR until there are at least two in
34 Post contains images HZ747300 : Was not this thread about SQ receiving 4 773ERs in two weeks? Anyhow, would they use it on the SIN-HKG run, just to fill some hours on the type? Or, w
35 Kaitak744 : I said the 777-300ER will replace the 777-200ER(long-haul) at Singapore. I didn't say Singapore will retire its 777-200ERs. 747s have been recently r
36 PolymerPlane : I agree. Any airline can introduce a new type all the time without taking 1 aircraft to get the crew up to speed. SQ can do that job more easily with
37 6thfreedom : While much of the discussion has been based on SIN-SYD, I don't think that the sector would cope with a massive reduction in capacity from triple dai
38 Jacobin777 : SFO is already seeing SQ's 777-300ER..is the newest one, I'm not so sure...I assume it is....
39 Ikramerica : If they wanted to maintain capacity, I would wager they would go with A380 6x weekly w/ 744 or smaller on 7th day. 744 7x weekly. 772 7x weekly. Not
40 6thfreedom : hang on a sec.... i think there's a bit of a misunderstanding here... I wasn't talking long term capacity when the the A380 finally arrives. I was me
41 Zvezda : The oldest 747 in SQ's fleet is 9V-SMP, which was delivered new to SQ in December 1992. She just turned 14 years old. SQ have 6 777-300ERs in operati
42 Stitch : I do not believe anyone is advocating that SQ replace all of their daily 744s to SIN with the first A388. More likely one of the 744s will be upgauge
43 Zvezda : SQ's first WhaleJet will replace one of the existing Jumbos going to SYD, which would be retired from the SQ fleet. It will not be added as a fourth
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