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SO Long DFW-HNL Nonstop W/Delta  
User currently offlineTx Islander From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (15 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2034 times:

Its official...Effective April 1, 2001 Delta will discontinue the Dallas - Honolulu flight, aswell as downgrading the nonstop Atlanta to Honolulu to a "onestop" thru LAX.

This move is due to a non-agreement with the pilots regarding a crew rest seat on the new B767-400.

As soon as an agreement with the pilots is reached with the crew rest seat, Delta will resume the nonstop flts from Atlanta. At this time Delta does not expect to resume a marginal profit flight from DFW to HNL.

Whens the last UA flight to Honolulu from Chicago?
Isn't UA going through the same ordeal?

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User currently offlineAlexinwa From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1177 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (15 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1950 times:

I believe that last UA flight to Honolulu from ORD is Feb. 14th. Never did get a reason for the flight being dicontinued. Thought maybe DC-10 retirement but they are flying the 777 to Honolulu from the west coast, why not ORD? It is also strange considering ATA is adding a ORD-HON nonstop twice a week.

You mad Bro???
User currently offlineKonaB777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (15 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1928 times:

UA has the same problem as Delta does with this issue; crew rest seats on the 777 & 767-300 (whichever UA will use, I believe the former).

User currently offlineAio86 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 929 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (15 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1908 times:

Although I'm not so educated on the crew rest seat problem I do remember from experience the pilots having their own seat. It was one of the United First Suites on the 777-200. They covered it in a curtain and each pilot/copilot was in there for about 3 hours 25 minutes. This was on an international flight from LAX-CDG so I don't know how they work it out on shorter domestic (yes Hawaii is still domestic) flights. They also did the same thing on my return European flight from MXP-IAD. Yet we also flew first back from IAD-LAX (without first suite) and the pilots did not have this amenity for the six hour flight (it was only 2 hours shorter that the flight from italy.) So I don't know if United really has this problem with it's 777 pilots.

User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (15 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1876 times:

Well thats really good for AA,no competition out of DFW for HNL,arent all the DFW-HNL flights all full too?

Go big or go home
User currently offlineNwa747-400 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1337 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (15 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1843 times:

Good news for NW too. I believe NW will continue to operate it's very profitable winter schedule of nonstops.

DTW-HNL with the DC10
MSP-HNL with the 747

In addition to DTW and MSP onestops thru SEA, SFO, and LAX

User currently offlineFlyAA757 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1031 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (15 years 6 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1833 times:

This is really great news for AA. First ORD, now DFW. AA is developing somewhat of a monopoly for its 4 non-stop Midwest-Hawaii flights. Perhaps we'll see a 5th and 6th?!?

User currently offlineAspen1 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 267 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (15 years 6 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1825 times:

United uses 3 pilots on all flights across the atlantic, except for the jfk-lhr flight because the flight is not over 7 hours. on the return flight how ever, a 3rd pilotis used. United basically requires 3 pilots on all flights over 7 hours. Flights that are 11 and more usually require a 4th pilot.

The problem with the ord-hnl flight is that it is about a 10 flight from ord and an 8:30 hour flight from honolulu. This is united's longest domestic flight. United's DC10-30's were opperated with 3 pilots. United considered the 777 and 767-300 as canadates for the ord-hnl flight. However they were planning on using the domestic aircraft with a first class ptich of 38". United's pilots wanted a first class suite installed on the planes going to hawaii. United felt it wasn't worth installing this seat on a low profit flight. That is why the flight is being cancelled.

User currently offlineSju-lax From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (15 years 6 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1816 times:

Don't rule out TWA's daily Maui and Honolulu which is slated for double daily service this winter cutting into your American's precious profits. It seems ironic that as most of the majors seem to be in a pullout frenzy when it comes to Hawaii, TWA's doubling Honolulu-STL service, as well as innaugerating new service from LAX to Maui, Lihui, Honolulu, and Kona.

I can just imagine how happy American is with TWA's new Miami-San Juan triple daily service. St.Louis-SJU is also becoming two daily flights. I wonder which airline will pull the island passengers now. Together with a large expansion out of BOS, EWR and JFK, TWA's slowly rising to #1 as it solidifies it's commanding Caribbean presence.

Eat it, FLYAA757

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