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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9160 posts, RR: 15
Posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1498 times:

Does anyone know if UAL has any plan to get rid of its B 727s and 737s completely?

Please let me know! Thanks!

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User currently offlineB737-112 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 883 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1419 times:

Look for the 727's to be gone in the 2003-2004 area, although the way these things change it could be New Years. Lastly, the 737's are a huge part of UAL's fleet and I do not see an end to the seven-three in their colors.

User currently offlineModesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2786 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1394 times:

UA's 737's are an integral part of their fleet. The Shuttle uses them and they're also used on regular domestic flights. I couldn't imagine United without 737's.

User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7985 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1387 times:

I think UA will use their 737-300/500 fleet for at least another ten years. The planes are pretty fuel-efficient, and easily meet ICAO Stage III noise standards.

They will likely be replaced by A319's starting in 2007 (more or less). This is because by that time the airframe life is such it would be cheaper to buy a new A319 than to do more D-checks on the 733/735 fleet.


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9160 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1379 times:

Well, I would say the 737s will still be around in UAL's fleet in the next 20 years or even longer. Shuttle by United is ALL 737. In fact, I believe that they might even go for the 737NG after sometime.

How many 727s left in UAL's fleet?


User currently offlineKonaB777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1350 times:

For the last time, UNITED WILL NOT BE BUYING 737NG. They are happy with the A320 & A319, the customers like them better, face it, United is done with new 737s.

UA hasn't started retiring the 727-200s yet. They have 75 of them.


User currently offlineILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1338 times:


Well, the 737NG may not join UA's fleet overnight, I believe that it may. Don't count on the 73Q, or the 738, I think tif they were to get any 737NG's that it would be the -600, as a -200 replacement. Currently UAL doesn't have a replacement for the 737-291s so, they are HMVing them again.

In the next year, expect to see an order for 75 A320s, as a 727 replacement ;-(

The 737-300/500 WILL NOT LEAVE SOON! It will be here until UAL can not get anymore life out of them. Some of the -500s will be here in 2025!

The only reason that UAL went for the Airbus in the first place is that the 737NG were not availible at the time.

U N I T E DRising


User currently offlineKonaB777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1333 times:

UA does have a 737-200 replacement. It's called the A319. Besides, if United needed a little narrowbody, they would go for the A318 for commonality. Face the facts, UNITED IS DONE WITH THE 737!!!!!

User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1318 times:

Kona, actually the 737 200 ADV doesn't have a "real" replacement per se. The A319's seating capacity almost matches the 737 300...... what you will see is a trickle down of 733's replacing 73S's.. not 319s.. the 319s will be placed on the longer haul 733 flights (like ORD to Ontario, Spokane, Boise, Colorado Springs, Florida, etc.. the 319s have decent Inflight Entertainment systems while the 73S's don't have any. You can see the 737 200s for sale at the UAL Services website... www.ualservices.com

Nate


User currently offlineILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1311 times:

Kona,
The 737-291s are going to be with UAL for atleast 3 more years, and the 737-300/500s will be here for another 20+ years! Airbusses will replace 727s, in the near future, and the A319...well, it hasn't really replaced anything. Well, ok, maybe some longer 737 trips, but for the most part the A319 was just added, where as the A320 was a replacement for the 727s.


User currently offlineSOUTHPACIFIC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1303 times:

Aloha!
Well I have to agree in some aspects that UA will go with the A320 family in the future, and I must agree with others.
Kona, I believe you are right about UA being done with the 737s, but only the CURRENT 737s. While Ua is obviously saying that the replacements for the 737-2/3/500s will be of the Airbus family, that doesn't mean that UA won't buy the 737 NG somewhere along the line.
Being a UA fan, you know that UA is starting to make an effort to improve its reliability and economics, correct? They are alos upgrading their service to a point, and making the passenger experience better. Good customer winning strategy they are getting into, beats the other method of simply cheaper fares on select routes but a lack in service.
Well any smart business knows that putting on this image is just fine, but you must do it ECONOMICALLY. That's where the A320 family comes in. See, pax lately have really been wanting more leg room and wider seats. The A320 family provides this without forcing the airline to remove a row of seats, thus more economical. Use AA as a model. Their nearly all-Boeing and Douglas fleet needs to have a few rows of seats removed to create more leg room.
What this does is lessen the economics of the remaining passenger load, driving fares up, and profits down. Of course, the higher fares aren't very attractive to a would-be customer, and business is taken elsewhere.

UA has the upper hand if they go with the A320 family.
However, that doesn't mean that they won'tr buy Boeing's in the future. As you know Boeing is fighting Airbus, and striving to upgrade their product to match what Airbus already sets as standard.
Therefore, Boeing might strike a deal with UA, to provide a new 737NG with equal or better aspects than an A320, and UA might go for it.
But if Boeing does nothing, you'll definitely see alot of Airbusses in UA's fleet within the next decade, for sure.

One more note, though. I don't think UA will do both. It will either be Airbus, or Boeing. As you also know, it is not economical to keep spares piled around for both types, it is cheaper and much more feasable to keep parts for one type, and have the entire fleet be that one type. It's just simple and much more practical.

So, what I think is that you are right, UA will buy Airbus products and stick with them.

Only time will tell.

SOUTHPACIFIC


User currently offlineKonaB777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1300 times:

The only way I would ever see UA going back to the 737 is when the A320s near the end of their lives in 25 years or so, and Boeing has built (I'm not saying whether or not they will) a 737 successor that is better comfortwise than the A320. That is the reason UA went with the Bus, it is a more comfortable airplane to customers. I know some of you say, "Oh, I flew both & I think the 37 is more comfy." Well, the vast majority of United travelers prefer the airbus.

User currently offlineSOUTHPACIFIC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1296 times:

I agree totally, Kona.

SOUTHPACIFIC


User currently offlineILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1294 times:

Kona,
UAL went for the Airbusses back in the early '90s when the 737NG were not even around. They did not do it for comfort reasons. UA will have 737 classics in 20 years. Airbusses will be here for about 30 years. In about 15 to 20 years UA may go for more 737s...you never know.

UA has over 100 737s flying around. The 737 is a bigger assest for United than the A319/20. The 737 is the biggest assest that UA hasfor narrow-bodied planes. UA is not through with them.


Go U N I T E D


User currently offlineBoeing747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1283 times:

Acually, pax on United prefer the Boeings, the 757, 767, 777, and mostly, the 744. United operates very little Airbus compared to Boeing, besides, United only operates the A32X, so how could most pax prefer Airbus on UAL?????

User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9160 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1270 times:

As the 737s are one of the biggest if not the biggest asset for UAL, I expect to see them in another 20 to 30 years time.

Boeing got to do something with UAL in its narrow-body fleet market.......


User currently offlineAspen1 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 267 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1274 times:

Where do u get ur information?
"As the 737s are one of the biggest if not the biggest asset for UAL, I expect to see them in another 20 to 30 years time." Asset, in terms of what? the amount of 737's they have? that doesnt mean much. Uniteds 30 some od boeing 747-400 are worth more than united's 180 737's. What makes u think they will be here for another 20 to 30 years? United's 737-300's will be turining 30 about 2016. That's not 20 years from now? There is now way they will be here for another 30 years.

As to your next comment

"Boeing got to do something with UAL in its narrow-body fleet market....... "

You forgot one major thing........Airlines are Business's that need to make money. Why should they just buy boeing planes? United loves it's a320 and the passengers and crew like them better than the 737.

United purchased the a320 from airbus because they got a better deal. It all comes down to money, not what ur opinion is.


User currently offlineNwa747-400 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1337 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1259 times:

Have you sat in the economy sect of a UA 747-400.

Not a pax favorite. I guarantee!!


User currently offlineN-156F From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1254 times:

Holy crap. Leave it to the usual suspects to turn an innocent question about whether or not UA would be replacing some jets into a friggin' Boeing/Airbus war. I won't mention any names, but some members of this forum who replied here need to either grow up or shut up.

As far as the UA replacements, the B727s are on their way out, with 320s coming to replace them. The B737s (with the exception of the -200) will probably be around until 2010-2015 in some capacity. As UA has a large fleet of 320 jets now, they probably won't be buying B737NG at all. Having two types which do the exact same job is a perfect way to bankrupt your airline. I'm fairly certain that UA will eventually choose the A32X as a full replacement for its B737s, with a breakdown like this:
A318 replaces B737-200, -500, -500 Shuttle
A319 replaces B737-300, -300 Shuttle

I also assume that, in time, all of UA's smaller jets will be Airbus, with B757 and larger Boeing.

Now, obviously, if the UA/US merger goes through (which it won't, BTW), this picture gets changed considerably, but I still expect the final operator will be an all-Airbus smaller fleet, with an all-Boeing larger fleet.


User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 19, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1254 times:

Do you think that Mr Wolfe, who is a big Airbus fan, who was in charge of United might have bought A330's and/or A340's for United instead of 744's had they been available a few years earlier?

User currently offlineN-156F From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1235 times:

Matt- If the A340-500/-600 was available, maybe. The B747-400 and A340-200/-300 aren't even in the same class passengerwise, and it would take (*very* rough guesstimate) 1.5 A343s to replace a single B747-200.
There's a chance they would have, but I think that their picking the B777 when the A330 was available shows that they were/are interested in keeping an all-Boeing widebody fleet.


User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks ago) and read 1224 times:

Just a quick comment:

Someone [NW] said that it's not comfortable sitting in the back of one of UA's 747-400's...

I found that to be completely the opposite. Sure, there isn't much room to either side or front/back (like EVERY OTHER AIRLINER), but after walking off of an 11-hour flight SFO-NRT, I felt as relaxed and rested as I felt flying in Business on the way home.

Economy on any narrowbody plane is horrible, but for some reason, it doesn't seem as bad on a 747 with EVERY seat filled!

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L


User currently offlineKonaB777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks ago) and read 1226 times:

Face the facts people: United is no longer ordering any 737s, hasn't for a while, hasn't taken delivery of any for a while, the 727's are being retired, albeit slowly. Though it will take a while, since the 737-300s & 500s are not too old, the A320 family will eventually replace them. Passengers and crew alike like the airbus better. My mom is a United flight attendant, and she said that she and many of her friends who are also f/a's for United like the Airbus much better because it is a more crew-friendly airplane. The doors are much easier to open and open quicker, therefore are safer in emergencies, also the slides are twice as wide. The thought of United ordering 737NGs is absurd because it defeats the purpose of ordering over 100 airbuses.

Plus, the fact that UA continues to order A320s after the 737NG came out proves that United prefers the A320. I think that the A320 and the 777 are the two best aircraft that United has ever gotten.

Plus, the Airbus looks better. It appears bigger, bolder and more confident, while the 737 appears kind of puny & squat.

Just because an airline is based in America doesn't mean that it can only buy Boeing planes. I hate the nationalistic attitude that some of us Americans have that American made products are the best, because not all of them are. I am not saying that the A320 or 737 is better than the other, it's just that United chose the A320 because of the far superior technology, which still eclipses the 737NG despite the A320 design being 10 years older. The A320 must have advantages over the 737NG, which is why United continues to buy them.

In terms of aircraft technology (aside from the 777), Boeing needs to get out of the eighties. Think about it, the A320 was designed within a couple years of the 737-300, and look how far ahead it is in terms of technology. And the fact that Airbus has made no effort to update it (because it can't) proves that even after 15 years, it is still a state of the art design.


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9160 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1217 times:

Time proves I believe.  

Furthermore, the reason why UAL went for the Airbus is because 737NGs were not available at that time.

When was the last 737 being delivered to UAL?


User currently offlineILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1216 times:

Kona,

I like the A320, but you need to understand that UA orders planes when its needed, not when something new came out. In 1992, when the A320 was ordered, the 737NG was not around yet. UAL got a good deal from airbus, so they went for the A320. The last 737-500 joined UA's fleet about 6 years ago. Thats newer than some A320s! UA is committed to the 737, and it will be for a long time. They might not ever order any new ones, but the 737 will be here for a long time. FACE THE FACTS. They are even putting the 732s through heavy maintence. They will be here for 5 more years! If UA were to get the 737NG (which...if they would would be the 736) its common to the 180 737s that UA already has. It would not bankrupt the company, and is interchangeable with the other 737s. Now, when the time comes, UA might get the A318. You never know.

So to recap...Just because a plane comes out, dosn't mean that UA is going to get it. EVEN IF IT IS COMMON! If they were to do this, why would they have gotten the Airbusses in the first place?

------------------------------------------------------
When I say that the 737s are one of the biggest assests that UA has...well let me explain.

These planes fly on short hop trips, as well as Shuttle. If UA were to loose the Shuttle operation that they have on the west, half of the company goes buy-by! UAs 737s move more pax, per day than any other fleet type. One plane may do 12 flights per day, while others do 2.

The 737 can get into smaller destinations, with ease.

U N I T E DRising


25 C172sb : Last one UA got was 737-522, tail # N957UA on 08/12/93, so 7 years ago.
26 ABQ757 : I would like to see more Airbus' here in ABQ. Will they start A320 service here when they retire the 727's. Or will it be A319, 733, and occassional 7
27 Fanoftristars : Kona777: I was reading your posts when I though, "How old is this person to make comments like this?" Then I found out. Let me clear some things up fo
28 KALB : I have been on UA's A320/319 several times and it is a very comfortable airplane, more so than their 727s and 737s. I have also been on a Delta 737-80
29 United Airline : So, what is Delta's configuration like?
30 Post contains images We're Nuts : Kona, you're wrong. The 737NG vastly outweighs the the selling points of the A320. But, it would be stupid for United to switich this late in the game
31 John : UA won't have to order any more A32x family aircraft, if they inherit the huge US order, and follow thru with it, which I'm sure they will. At least f
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