WA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2059 posts, RR: 12 Posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2010 times:
The lead article in today's Minneapolis Star Tribune says Runway 12R/30L will be closed for reconstruction between August and November.
The reconstruction will result in takeoffs on the 35 direction of brand new runway 17/35, and landings in the 17 direction. There will also be more takeoffs and landings over St Paul on 4/22.
Charlienorth From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1081 posts, RR: 5 Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1994 times:
I grew up under the approach to rwy 4,miss the airlines and airplanes of the 60's and 70's. Would love to do this approach just to see the old 'hood from the air.
JSquared From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 147 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1981 times:
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In Highland Park, James Janssen already is bracing for a noisy summer. He said his home sits on high ground, directly below the approach path. "You can smell the jet fuel," he said of the planes that now swoop over his house. "It is loud. They are right on my roof.
The noise is at its worst at night, he said, when late-arriving cargo planes rumble into the airport. He said he has complained to the Airports Commission as late as 2 a.m. "That is when we lose it," he said. "It wakes up the little children on the block."
I've never understood how people who choose to live close to the airport get upset when they hear airplane noise - in the vast majority of cases, the airport was there first! How could you not know what you were in for?
Dc-9-10 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 583 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1957 times:
Quoting JSquared (Reply 2): I've never understood how people who choose to live close to the airport get upset when they hear airplane noise - in the vast majority of cases, the airport was there first! How could you not know what you were in for?
There is a variety of reasons why people live so close to the airport. First the resident might have been living in that same house for 30 to 40 years or more when the daily airport activity was no more then maybe one flight an hour, now it is flight after flight after flight.
If they are a new home owner, realtors have tricks to get people to think the noise is not that bad, such as showing the house during a slow time at the airport (ex. Sunday afternoons). Also the problem is that developers see any unused land and think (especially during housing booms) to develop residential communities and city and county officials are going to let the developments happen because the tax income is too great to ignore, even though the airport does everything in its power to stop it.
SirOmega From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1925 times:
Quoting Dc-9-10 (Reply 3): Also the problem is that developers see any unused land and think (especially during housing booms) to develop residential communities and city and county officials are going to let the developments happen because the tax income is too great to ignore, even though the airport does everything in its power to stop it.
One of the things LAS did was to have the DOA buy the land as noise mitigation. Sometimes they'd have it rezone it commercial or industrial and then sell it back. Of course this lead to problems because their apprasier got in trouble for undervaluing parcels of land during the boom of 2004. Then the people who got hold of the land tried to have it zoned back to something more profitable.
FlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15 Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1912 times:
The good news is that the DC-10s are gone, and that the DC-9s are going away. I live in the opposite direction of highland park, but still in the path of the runway, some miles out (probably about 10 miles), and the DC-9s are usually the only ones we really hear very loudly at all.
I'm glad the work is getting underway, and while i love the planes landing parallel to the interstate, and this is the easiest runway to spot for (well, either of the 12/30 runways), it'll be nice.
As for the added taxi time, MSP is a very prompt airport, I'm sure it won't cause too much trouble, and let's be honest, it's not as bad as SAN or PHL can be for taxi times.
"Let the world change you, and you can change the world"
WA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2059 posts, RR: 12 Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1891 times:
Quoting Dc-9-10 (Reply 3): developers see any unused land and think (especially during housing booms) to develop residential communities and city and county officials are going to let the developments happen because the tax income is too great to ignore, even though the airport does everything in its power to stop it.
I think it was really smart of Eagan to develop much of the land under the approach paths to the 30s southeast of the airport as warehouse / industrial space. If you're going to have development next to an airport, that's the ideal kind.
There would be a lot fewer NIMBYs ruining things if more cities had done what Eagan did.....
Pilottim747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1607 posts, RR: 5 Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1617 times:
AADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 1863 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1575 times:
Quoting Dc-9-10 (Reply 3): There is a variety of reasons why people live so close to the airport.
A big reason is that it is cheap because it is near a noisy airport. Mr. Nimby buys a cheap house near the airport, complains about the noise and tells the city council that it is hurting the property value.
Gunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3462 posts, RR: 11 Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1451 times:
Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 5): The good news is that the DC-10s are gone, and that the DC-9s are going away.
As for the DC-9s...I don't believe you. There would be at least five related threads in civ-av if the Diesel Nines were going anywhere in the near future.
ImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1243 posts, RR: 14 Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1403 times:
For those of us who live close to a major airport, noise can certainly be an issue. But here in ATL, at least, the airport was here FIRST!
However, I chose to accept that issue for the convience of easy access, what with the horrible traffic issues here in metro Atlanta. A daily (and nightly) nightmare!
That being said, after so many years of enduring the noisy blasts of hundreds of JT-8's every day and night things have improved here. Yeah, I miss the old birds, but the newer ones are sooo much more quiet.
I would imagine the folks at MSP would agree, even the supposed "hush-kitting" of those JT-8's hasn't done much.
Would hate to be too close to a line up of '9's waiting to take off!
"If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough!"
JSquared From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 147 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1335 times:
Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 12): I would imagine the folks at MSP would agree, even the supposed "hush-kitting" of those JT-8's hasn't done much.
Would hate to be too close to a line up of '9's waiting to take off!
I thought the DC-9s were loud until I heard one of Champion's 727s overhead... now THAT is one noisy aircraft!
Af773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2587 posts, RR: 2 Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1159 times:
In the summer many times a 747 will takeoff on runway 4/22 towards Bloomington. At first its silent, then a 747 is screaming over my house. I don't mind the noise. I would like to have 4/22 be used more.
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