HighFlyer9790 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1236 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 21306 times:
Quoting Memphis (Reply 1): where is the forward cargo door???
Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 2): Looks like a few other panels are missing too, above the engine, and the wing/body fairing.
Quoting Memphis (Reply 4): a few panels, not that big of a deal, but the removal of the entire door, in my mind, is a little more than simply popping a panel! Why???
my only guess is that those panels/doors must specially painted for weight precision, like thr rudder. other than that, its at evergreen, so maybe some additional mods or something.
747LCF-better than the A300 beluga? (no A vs. B intended)
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Professional people mover. A to B. CL-65 Type; CFI/CFII/MEI/AGI/IGI
JetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 4 Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 20983 times:
Pygmalion From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 931 posts, RR: 38 Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 20935 times:
LCF delivered the first set of 787 parts to Charleston SC today. Next stop Seattle!
HighFlyer9790 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1236 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 20733 times:
Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 6): If my facts are right, it was a PAX version and the cargo loading is done by the tail half swinging open. Not so much the nose door as on usual 744Fs
it was a PAX version? huh? i think i missed something..
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HighFlyer9790 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1236 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 20451 times:
Looking at it again, It must have taken a lot of paint!! how much do you think it took?
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Brenintw From Taiwan, joined Jul 2006, 1446 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 20389 times:
Quoting HighFlyer9790 (Reply 11): it was a PAX version? huh? i think i missed something
The LCF's are all built from PAX versions -- no need for the added weight of the hydraulics etc needed to open/raise the nose, since the cargo is loaded from the rear of the A/C.
Quite why the lower cargo hold door is not fitted is beyond me, although I'm sure it will be fitted before this bird takes to the skies.
I'm tired of the A vs. B sniping. Neither make planes that shed wings randomly!
HighFlyer9790 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1236 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 20287 times:
Quoting Brenintw (Reply 14): The LCF's are all built from PAX versions -- no need for the added weight of the hydraulics etc needed to open/raise the nose, since the cargo is loaded from the rear of the A/C.
duuhhh that makes sense!
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Yellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 7 Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 19737 times:
Quoting Ual747 (Reply 13): Stupid question, and I'm sure it's been asked before, but why does this aircraft have no winglets? At work, not able to really do a search.
Thanks,
UAL
IIRC, it flies a lot slower than the standard 747-400 (for obvious reasons). Hence, the drag reduction from the winglets isn't enough to make them worth the extra weight.
Hydrogen is an odorless, colorless gas which, given enough time, turns into people.
LHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 19112 times:
Quoting JakTrax (Reply 10): The tail section swings open for outsized cargo, hence no nose door.
I think the question is regarding the huge gaping hole where the lower-deck forward hold door used to be, not the fact that there is no upward-opening nose door.
It's maybe just been removed for painting, as there are 2 pressure-relief valves in the door and you don't want to just spray over them, as they need to open. They're also used to vent the hold, in case dangerous goods such as dry-ice are carried.
PolymerPlane From United States of America, joined May 2006, 991 posts, RR: 3 Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 19113 times:
Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 16): IIRC, it flies a lot slower than the standard 747-400 (for obvious reasons). Hence, the drag reduction from the winglets isn't enough to make them worth the extra weight.
I think the reason for winglet removal is more to unexplained vibration rather than the weight reduction.
Brendows From Norway, joined Apr 2006, 1020 posts, RR: 4 Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 16979 times:
Quoting RyanairCRL (Reply 22): how many are they gonna built? and if more than1, when's the second one due?
There will be three LCF at first, and I believe there are plans for another two. The aircraft in the picture in the first post is the second LCF, and it's being delivered in the next few weeks. The first one (N747BC) was delivered about five months ago.
The first LCF, N747BC, is a former Air China bird (B-2464) (cn 25879/ln 904)
The second one (on the picture in the first post) is N780BA, former China Airlines B-162 (and B-18272) (cn 24310/ln 778)
Third LCF is N249BA, former China Airlines B-18271 cn 24309/ln 766 (ex B-161)
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 16869 times:
Quoting HighFlyer9790 (Reply 11): it was a PAX version? huh? i think i missed something..
It is a converted passenger aircraft
Quoting Ual747 (Reply 13): but why does this aircraft have no winglets?
Not needed for short hauls
Quoting Brendows (Reply 23): The first LCF, N747BC, is a former Air China bird (B-2464) (cn 25879/ln 904)
The second one (on the picture in the first post) is N780BA, former China Airlines B-162 (and B-18272) (cn 24310/ln 778)
Third LCF is N249BA, former China Airlines B-18271 cn 24309/ln 766 (ex B-161)
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25 Albird87: Back to the front cargo door.... is it possible that because they wont be using the cargo compartments for the haulage of anything, will they not remo
26 AirbusA346: AFAIK the APU is in the forward cargo hold, so they still need access from time to time, but I might be wrong. Tom.
27 Vivekman2006: Finally it has been painted! Was getting tired looking at the green/metallic colours. Looks neat!
28 SRMD11: Wow! really impresive. Thanks for the Pic! The LCF looks like a Snake - digest a A-350XWB LOL
29 777DAD: Go easy man,Ive seen some "Nice Butts" in my life, "butt" nothing like this! ( pun intended) See Ya, Jeff
30 Haj96: So if I understand correctly the first LCF is still green and is doing it´s work unpainted? Or has it been painted meanwhile too? Regards, haj96
31 RICARIZA: I have to disagree, this looks worse than the Beluga! Anyway, is not here for its looks but functionality.. ugly as hell but it does its work I suppo
32 N314as: Boy you guys are so in a hurry to upload this......at least let the damn thing come out a little more to get a good shot.
33 EMA747: Does anyone else agree that its a really dull livery? Surely they could have come up with an interesting paint job for it? (I'm thinking Malaysian Fre
34 Dambuster: I agree (partially), it's not horrible, but I'd have preferred it in the Dreamliner livery itself... I like the name: "Dreamlifter"!
35 Zvezda: I still think it would have looked better with three rows of fake windows painted on. If Boeing ever build a Y3, do you think they would build an even
36 DfwRevolution: You should be thankful Boeing even painted it that well. Initial plans were just plain white with no titles at all. What I do think would have been c
38 NoWorries: Maybe they'll order up an A380LCF from Airbus ??
39 Mustang304: While I don't think it is horrible, I think they should of rigged it with LEDs, and they could advertise as they fly over, kind of like the Goodyear b
40 Dambuster: Yeah, I agree, plus the shape of the LCF is kinda bizzar... maybe the Dreamliner livery wouldn't look the same... but who cares, it's not bad.
41 AirEMS: Very impressive - I like the name Dream Lifter -Carl
42 NYCA330: I guess this is it on flightaware. It is airborne right now, apparently routing BFI-BFI. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE876
43 S12PPL: As much as I love Boeing... Holy crap that thing looks ugly! Thank god it isn't a new model! Very interesting though... It does look like one of those
44 HighFlyer9790: Well, it gets the job done. Now the fusalage pieces wont get shot up on passing frieght train the plains like th 737s....plus, the composite fusalage
46 Brendows: That's correct, it hasn't been painted yet. You can see it on a picture from Monday here: http://www.boeing.com/commercial/news/2007/q1/070116d_pr.ht
47 Gunsontheroof: This is a new Dreamlifter. The one you're referring to is still green...I saw it at BFI on Sunday night. Not an a.net photo, I believe it came from B
48 Raventom: I think PolymerPlane is correct. I read in Flight International that Boeing said "it was decided not to fly with winglets following vibration issues"
49 Airfoilsguy: Thats how far it got before someone realized that the front cargo door was missing and they pushed it back in.
50 HighFlyer9790: Thats the beauty of A.net...so many people with inns and first hand info!!
51 Areopagus: Then they should really produce LCF #4 to fly slot.
52 Centrair: When is this thing going to Italy? and... What airport will it use to bring over parts from there?
53 FighterPilot: Very Nice! I would have preferred her in the "Dreamliner" livery however. Maybe they'll paint one of the others like that. Cal
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