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Charter Summer 2006 Punctuality Results  
User currently offlineCwldude From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 691 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 1935 times:

So, they're due tomorrow! What's everyone expecting?

Here are the results for May-September:

1 MyTravel
2 Thomas Cook
3 First Choice
4 Thomsonfly
5 Fly Astraeus
6 XL.com
7 Monarch Airlines
8 FlyJet

With MyTravel ever-improving their punctuality, can they stick to the top spot? Or is there a chance that October was a better month for Thomas Cook??


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User currently offlineCwldude From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 691 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1869 times:

And here are those all-important official stats:

Airline – Average Delay – OTP – 1hr+ late – 3hours+ late

MyTravel 14.66mins 82.7% 5.49% 1.47%
Thomas Cook 21.74mins 70.4% 8.89% 1.99%
First Choice 22.74mins 66.7% 8.88% 1.75%
Thomsonfly 23.9mins 73.2% 8.75% 2.64%
Astraeus 35.47mins 57.3% 16.34% 3.99%
XL 36.53mins 63.3% 14.04% 4.48%
Monarch 40.86mins 57% 16.64% 5.13%
FlyJet 65.66mins 58.2% 19.72% 8.95%
Source: www.flightontime.info

So, it's a little unexpected, yet a very pleasant surprise to see MyTravel at the top of the boards, it's good to know that a once extremely troubled airline have managed to pull themselves up to be the leading example in the industry in terms of OTP! Showing an incredible 38% decline in their average delay time!

Thomas Cook are second, also showing a huge 25% decline in average delay time.

First Choice and Thomsonfly in 3rd and 4th place have actually deteriorated quite badly, both showing a rise of 35% and 33% respectively in their average delay time.

As expected, XL and FlyJet are further down the board with exceptionally poor performances, even though,in fairness XL have improved their average delay time by 9%, FlyJet deservedly there with an average delay time of over an hour! Monarch are also very far down the board with an extremely poor performance, but at least it's given them something to work on for next year!



Thomson Airways - The UKs premier charter airline // now flown : BY -AA -AJ -AE -AT; OO -AX -AU -RA -BG; BRIG; OBYD
User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1860 times:

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 1):
FlyJet deservedly there with an average delay time of over an hour!

Look at FJE's ave delay at NCL compared to others then

1 MyTravel Airways 5.54 91.54 2.98 0.36 839
2 Thomas Cook Airlines 16.06 75.97 6.11 1.45 1,719
3 XL Airways 19.37 76.37 6.53 1.85 1,134
4 Thomsonfly 22.99 78.84 7.94 2.31 2,079
5 Flyjet 24.19 69.69 10.00 3.75 320
6 Monarch Airlines 100.25 17.33 52.67 15.33 150

Although saying that, look at MYT's  Wow!



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User currently offlineCwldude From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 691 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1855 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 2):
Look at FJE's ave delay at NCL compared to others then

Indeed, but with just 320 flights operating, it's hard to have a massively bad average delay.

Monarch ought to be ashamed of themselves with a result like that!



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1848 times:

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 3):
Monarch ought to be ashamed of themselves with a result like that!

I blame it on the A330 positioning in from LGW  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineCY319 From Cyprus, joined Apr 2006, 396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1832 times:

Wow!! I m surprised to see MYT at 1st place. Well done for them.
Actually, I was expecting to see FCA in the lead.
I m not surprised to see TOM and MON not doing well.



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User currently offlineDiesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1639 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1819 times:

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 3):
Indeed, but with just 320 flights operating, it's hard to have a massively bad average delay.

No, the fewer flights you have, the greater the the likelihood a couple of poor on time performances will have on increasing the average delay time...



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User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4124 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1810 times:

You'll probably also find that Mytravel had the lowest flights-per-aircraft rate, with most aircraft only operating two rotations per day, and staying at base overnight. Monarch and XL operate more flights returning to base in the early hours, and would be more affected by knock on delays.

Also, Monarch's statistics don't include scheduled flights, so those statistics don't neccesarily do them justice.


User currently offlineCwldude From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 691 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1805 times:

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 7):
You'll probably also find that Mytravel had the lowest flights-per-aircraft rate

I'm fully aware of that, but MyTravel have also posted profit for this year if my sources are correct? Maybe some airlines should think about following suit to improve their punctuality?

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 7):
Also, Monarch's statistics don't include scheduled flights, so those statistics don't neccesarily do them justice.

Indeed they don't include the scheduled flights, but we aren't talking scheduled here are we? Besides, I doubt the scheduled side of the company have done that well either, plus, Thomsonfly also have scheduled operations, as do First Choice, so, you can't really justify their poor performance with an excuse like that, can you?



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User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4124 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1785 times:

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 8):
Indeed they don't include the scheduled flights, but we aren't talking scheduled here are we?

It's one airline, and if these statistics actually mean anything, then they should include all flights. People might look at that and think that if they're stats are that bad, then we don't want to book with them. It's like basing the punctuality of BA on just domestic flights.

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 8):
Besides, I doubt the scheduled side of the company have done that well either

Well, then you'd be wrong. At LGW, aircraft are allocated to scheduled flights, and will occasionally operate overnight flights. For example, the sole A320 would operate two scheduled flights a day to Granada, Lisbon or Faro and then on three days would operate overnight scheduled flights to Malaga. At the start of four days, that aircraft would have been at base for 10 hours, and on the remaining 3 days, it would have been at LGW for 4 hours before starting up, so more often than not, the first flight of that A320 to either Granada or Lisbon would be on time, and would rarely pick up delays.

On the other hand, a 757 could be operating charters all week, with only an hour or two between flights, and once it picks up a delay, the schedule goes out the window. Also remember that most scheduled flights are operated by relatively new A320/1's, rather than A300's and some of the first 757's off the production line.

Their schedule flights were a lot more punctual than their charter operation, and those statistics are only half the story.

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 8):
Maybe some airlines should think about following suit to improve their punctuality?

Mytravel relaxed their schedule because of the awful delays they were picking up a few years ago. None of the charters are quite in the same league as they were, and don't need to rebuild their reputation. There is simply too much capacity to take away the night flights.

Also, Mytravel's punctuality could also be down to them putting on average an extra 30mins onto the block time of their flights, compared to those operated by the other charter airlines.


User currently offlineCwldude From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 691 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1783 times:

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 9):

Okay so you're points are reasonable enough, however, you failed to comment on another key part of my comment, which I was actually quite looking forward to hearing from you...

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 8):
Thomsonfly also have scheduled operations, as do First Choice, so, you can't really justify their poor performance with an excuse like that, can you?



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User currently offlineThomasCook From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 797 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1773 times:

Hi,

Monarch Scheduled’s OTP isn't much to write home about with them ranking 2nd worst carrier just in front of easyJet who operated over 8 times as many flights as them.

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 9):
None of the charters are quite in the same league as they were

Are you sure about that? MyTravel’s average 2003 Summer Delay was 30 mins. This Summer, Thomsonfly are down 33% with an average of 23 mins delay, Astraeus with 35 mins and XL.com at 36 mins!

MyTravel have retired aged aircraft since 2003 to operate a mostly all Airbus fleet and have introduced stringent measures to ensure the timely departure of all flights. On the flight deck, MyTravel operate in a paperless environment which allows for a more streamlined operation.

With just over 1% of flights delayed then more then 3 hours in comparison with XL.com (who operated a similar amount of flights) experiencing close to 4.5% of flights over 3 hours late that is certainly a note worthy statistic.

An average delay time of 14.66 minutes is a great achievement so well done!

Regards
ThomasCook



A380 Crew
User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4124 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1758 times:

Quoting ThomasCook (Reply 11):
Monarch Scheduled’s OTP isn't much to write home about with them ranking 2nd worst carrier just in front of easyJet who operated over 8 times as many flights as them.

The average delay on scheduled flights is 18.3 minutes, compared to 40 on the charter flights. Once you incorporate all the flights, the statistic looks much better, and would probably take them above XLA and AEU.

Quoting ThomasCook (Reply 11):
Are you sure about that? MyTravel’s average 2003 Summer Delay was 30 mins. This Summer, Thomsonfly are down 33% with an average of 23 mins delay, Astraeus with 35 mins and XL.com at 36 mins!

Mytravel had a number of 24+ hour delays which weren't only making the newspapers, but the TV stations. When your flights are running 41 hours late, you know you need to do something to rebuild your reputation, and well done to them for doing so.

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 10):
Okay so you're points are reasonable enough, however, you failed to comment on another key part of my comment, which I was actually quite looking forward to hearing from you...

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 8):
Thomsonfly also have scheduled operations, as do First Choice, so, you can't really justify their poor performance with an excuse like that, can you?

Why do i need to comment on it? If i said i would rather see the stats for all Monarch flights, isn't it obvious that I'd like to see it for TOM aswell. Those stats are useful for very little if you're not including all the flights from the airlines listed.


User currently offlineCwldude From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 691 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1755 times:

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 12):
Those stats are useful for very little if you're not including all the flights from the airlines listed.

I'd think it is, as even though Thomsonfly Charter and Thomsonfly Scheduled/Low-Cost share the same name, they're still different companies, as they use different aircraft on different routes.

If I was flying to Prague with Thomsonfly, I'd only care about the low-cost results because the charter ones are irrelevant, if I was going to Cape Verde with Thomsonfly, I'd only care about the charter results, because they're the only relevant one's.

I don't doubt that Monarch overall as a company have a better OTP than AEU and XLA, but let's be honest, they don't take much beating do they? Excel/XL's performance has been constantly criticised since the beginning of the season, and I've said, from May, that these results will reflect it, and I was right. Monarch have performed poorly, and in my opinion, disappointing, for one of the better-known UK Companies, and I do believe that they can look at how they operate flights. As you said about those operations at Gatwick and how it works to reduce delays, if they introduced a similar scheme company-wide they'd note a massive improvement.

MyTravel are setting an excellent example, and something for the rest of the airlines to work towards! They really have shined this season, and I wish them all the very best for the future!



Thomson Airways - The UKs premier charter airline // now flown : BY -AA -AJ -AE -AT; OO -AX -AU -RA -BG; BRIG; OBYD
User currently offlineRick767 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 2662 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1721 times:

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 7):
Monarch's statistics don't include scheduled flights, so those statistics don't neccesarily do them justice

Just for the record if all Monarch flights (Scheduled and Charter) were analysed for the summer 2006 period the result would be:

Av Delay / OTP / >1hr / >3hrs / Total Flights
27.19 mins / 65.06% / 10.88% / 2.75% / 20,287

While that would bring them above Astraeus and XL into 5th position, it is still below average, and does not detract from the dreadful punctuality of their charter flights last summer.



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User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4124 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1660 times:

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 13):
I'd think it is, as even though Thomsonfly Charter and Thomsonfly Scheduled/Low-Cost share the same name, they're still different companies, as they use different aircraft on different routes.

No they don't. At LGW, the 737's operate various scheduled Malaga/Alicante/Palma flights, but also operate Santorini and Samos charter flights, among others. With the exception of the aircraft based at BOH/CVT/DSA, most aircraft which operate 'scheduled' flights also operate charter flights.

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 13):
they're still different companies,

No they're not. If anything, they're different sectors of the same company

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 13):
If I was flying to Prague with Thomsonfly, I'd only care about the low-cost results because the charter ones are irrelevant, if I was going to Cape Verde with Thomsonfly, I'd only care about the charter results, because they're the only relevant one's.

And Joe Public, which probably accounts for about 99.7% of people flying with them, wouldn't know the difference between the two. If they looked at those statistics, it would leave them wondering whether their flight is charter or low cost.

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 13):
Excel/XL's performance has been constantly criticised since the beginning of the season,

From ill-informed people such as you, yes.

I can criticise BA, but that doesn't mean they're a bad company.

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 13):
As you said about those operations at Gatwick and how it works to reduce delays, if they introduced a similar scheme company-wide they'd note a massive improvement.

It's not as easy as that. For example at LGW, where Monarch and XL are basing around 10 aircraft, Thomsonfly about 9, First Choice 8, Thomas Cook 7 and Mytravel 4 during the summer, there is not enough space to have all of these aircraft arriving within a certain time and then parked overnight. Many charter flights already have to depart/arrive from remote stands, having them all flying off between 6-8am and arriving home for the night between 12-3am would be even worse. The night flights are also very popular - many people take Friday night flights as they are able to put in a full day of work before flying out, and don't have to get up and in many cases, drive a way to get to the airport at 2-3am for 6-8am flight. Saturday is such a huge day for the charter market that without the night flights, there would be a huge shortage in capacity. Just getting rid of night flights for Friday and Saturday would cut profits hugely, and it's hardly worth it for a few stats that very few people who actually take the flights will see.


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1624 times:

Quoting Rick767 (Reply 14):

Having fun floating thon 744s down the runway?  duck 



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User currently offlineRick767 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 2662 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1560 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 16):
Having fun floating thon 744s down the runway?

Absolutely, especially at JFK - my new second home.



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