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United 747-400's At Victorville  
User currently offlineN471WN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1490 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 3 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 14027 times:
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Just back from Victorville and two United 747-400's are still in storage there--could not see their regs. Are either of these going to return to United---perhaps for the newly awarded China service to start on March 21st?

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User currently offlineSkyWest700 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 57 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 14013 times:

I hope so it depends on the lessor and whether they will deal with United again. I would love to see as many 400's as possible flying for United.

User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3173 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 14015 times:

Technically those aren't UA planes, they are just painted in UA colors  Wink

User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13935 times:

UA has said it can make IAD-PEK work using its existing fleet. 747 routes will be downgraded to 777s. Rotations will be tweaked. The March-April schedules will be interesting to see once everything is finalized. IAD-FCO 777 service starts in April, too, so they'll be making adjustments to route that aircraft as well.

User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7387 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 13945 times:

N179UA was ferried to China last week.


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User currently offlineDTW757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1528 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 13887 times:

Quoting Dbba (Thread starter):
Just back from Victorville and two United 747-400's are still in storage there--could not see their regs. Are either of these going to return to United---perhaps for the newly awarded China service to start on March 21st?

I was out there in December. This one is N185UA. It looks like it has been there a while. There is a photo in the database in November, 2003 at VCV.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f254/tolaviator/IMG_2711-1.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f254/tolaviator/IMG_2709.jpg

[Edited 2007-01-17 19:17:25]


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User currently offlineN471WN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1490 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 13736 times:
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There were two there on Saturday the 13th. Does anyone know the regs of the two that I saw? Was N179UA ferrried to China before or after the 13th?

User currently offlineN471WN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1490 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 13711 times:
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N179UA is shown as "active" with UAL on ATDB.org

User currently offlineUALMMFlyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 13597 times:

If N179UA is ferried to Beijing, does that mean it is going through D-Check with Beijing AMCO (JV maintenance facility owned by Air China and LH) who signed service contract with UA over a year ago?


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User currently offlineDTW757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1528 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 13542 times:

FlightAware shows N192UA leaving VCV last Friday 1/12/07 for Gimhae Int'l airport code KPK or RKPK. I have no clue where that is though.


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User currently offlineManny From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 467 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 13537 times:

A couple of months ago there was talk on this board of AI leasing couple of the 747-400s stored at Victorville.


Link:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/3095214

[Edited 2007-01-17 20:40:39]

User currently offlineXpfg From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 633 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 13314 times:

Quoting DTW757 (Reply 9):
FlightAware shows N192UA leaving VCV last Friday 1/12/07 for Gimhae Int'l airport code KPK or RKPK. I have no clue where that is though.

That's in Korea.


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 13220 times:

I wonder how long commercial aircraft can remain parked out in the hot desert sun and still maintain their original state of usability. I'm aware that there are many aircraft, both civilian and military, that are stored in the desert, whose arid condition is seen as beneficial, but still, the high heat of the desert must have some effect on these aircraft over time.

Not that aluminum would melt or anything, but surely there could be some deterioration of plastic fittings in the interior, perhaps. I would imagine that the interiors of these aircraft could rise to 150 degrees or more during summer.

Those photographs are beautiful. The 747-400 is a magnificent machine.

[Edited 2007-01-17 23:02:54]

User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 13137 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 12):
I wonder how long commercial aircraft can remain parked out in the hot desert sun and still maintain their original state of usability. I'm aware that there are many aircraft, both civilian and military, that are stored in the desert, whose arid condition is seen as beneficial, but still, the high heat of the desert must have some effect on these aircraft over time.

It does. Paint jobs take a beating, and seals and rubber components wear out pretty quick in a hot dry climate. Sand works its way into engines, lubricated moving parts, and the pitot/static system (even when they are covered  Wink ). Last but not least, the desert sun has this way of making plexiglas crack and craze when you don't protect the windows...You should have seen the World War II PV-2 Harpoon that I saw revived at LRU after 20 years of desert storage...it took them a couple of months burning the midnight oil to get her airworthy again.

But I guess it's preferable to letting moisture cause corrosion of metal parts  Wink Wonder where we'll see Dreamliners parked for storage when their time comes.



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User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 13094 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 12):
Not that aluminum would melt or anything, but surely there could be some deterioration of plastic fittings in the interior, perhaps. I would imagine that the interiors of these aircraft could rise to 150 degrees or more during summer.

I believe they open the doors to the aircraft on hotter days.

As far as the aluminum, it's eerie how long it lasts. I've been to crash locations out in the desert and seen bits and bobs just sitting on the surface -- no buried in, and not looking like they've been there six months, much less 40 years.

Steve


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 13078 times:

Thanks, KELPkid; your comments are very helpful.

I would think that Dreamliners wouldn't necessarily have to be parked for a long time, or at least not long enough so that there would be any appreciable deterioriation. I am virtually certain that Boeing will do all that is necessary to store them where necessary in such a way that they are delivered in completely pristine condition to whoever ordered them.

Quoting Sllevin (Reply 14):
I believe they open the doors to the aircraft on hotter days.

I did not know that; that would certain help alleviate the heat that would otherwise build up inside, it seems to me.

[Edited 2007-01-17 23:28:29]

User currently offlineDTW757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1528 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12563 times:

Quoting Xpfg (Reply 11):
Quoting DTW757 (Reply 9):
FlightAware shows N192UA leaving VCV last Friday 1/12/07 for Gimhae Int'l airport code KPK or RKPK. I have no clue where that is though.

That's in Korea.

Thanks. Any idea what they will do to the airplane there?

When I was at VCV in December there were actually 3 United 747's parked there that I know of. These 2 were in the front and I am guessing that one of them is N192UA being readied for the above mentioned flight. Just a guess though.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f254/tolaviator/IMG_2689.jpg



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User currently offlineFlyer732 From Namibia, joined Nov 1999, 1359 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12538 times:

http://www.worldair.com/news/20051212.html

"The three 747-400SF aircraft, to be leased under seven-year terms, were formerly operated by United Airlines as passenger aircraft. "


User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7387 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 12446 times:

What road did you go down to get those UA shots ? Are they scrapping any planes over by the 'mound' ? I was out there in July and there was nothing there other than the Tower skins draped over the tractor trailers . Is the Tower tail still over there ? I got some great shots of the interior ,still had the aft toilette installed. There was also a UA 762 over by the empty housing units.

I wonder why they don't 'spray-lat' the windows like they do @ DMA ?

[Edited 2007-01-19 15:32:58]


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User currently offlineDTW757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1528 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 12312 times:

Quoting United_fan (Reply 18):
What road did you go down to get those UA shots ? Are they scrapping any planes over by the 'mound' ? I was out there in July and there was nothing there other than the Tower skins draped over the tractor trailers . Is the Tower tail still over there ?

These two United 747's picture here are near the tower hanger area of the field. The one pictured above is clear out in the north side of the field which I took some dirt roads to get to. I saw the Tower tail as well that you mentioned and it is still there well at least of December 10.

Quoting Flyer732 (Reply 17):
"The three 747-400SF aircraft, to be leased under seven-year terms, were formerly operated by United Airlines as passenger aircraft. "

Sad to see them leaving the United fleet for cargo use but at least they are going to be put into use.



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User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4970 posts, RR: 18
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 12275 times:

Quoting DTW757 (Reply 9):
FlightAware shows N192UA leaving VCV last Friday 1/12/07 for Gimhae Int'l airport code KPK or RKPK. I have no clue where that is though.

Well, that would appear to mean that it's getting a C-check or D-check at Korean Air's Maintenance division, which has a 5-year contract to perform heavy maintenance on United's 27 Boeing 747-400s. Its Gimhae plant in Busan was, at least initially, where the work is done.

Source: http://www.asiatraveltips.com/news05/197-Maintenance.shtml


User currently offlineTod From Denmark, joined Aug 2004, 1722 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 11999 times:

Quoting Sllevin (Reply 14):
I believe they open the doors to the aircraft on hotter days.

When I was out there the UA 744 had the door seam taped shut.
learned that the hard way, I was inside and decided a little fresh air would be nice and opened one up. Felt kind of stuck, oh well it had been shut for a while. Then it popped open fine, with tape hanging from the edges. Oopsie!

Quoting United_fan (Reply 18):
I wonder why they don't 'spray-lat' the windows like they do @ DMA ?

Some get some foil-like stuff taped over all the windows.

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User currently offlineWarreng24 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 705 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 11907 times:

Quoting Tod (Reply 21):
When I was out there the UA 744 had the door seam taped shut.
learned that the hard way, I was inside and decided a little fresh air would be nice and opened one up. Felt kind of stuck, oh well it had been shut for a while. Then it popped open fine, with tape hanging from the edges. Oopsie!

What were you doing inside?


User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1492 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 11805 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 12):
I wonder how long commercial aircraft can remain parked out in the hot desert sun and still maintain their original state of usability. I'm aware that there are many aircraft, both civilian and military, that are stored in the desert, whose arid condition is seen as beneficial, but still, the high heat of the desert must have some effect on these aircraft over time.

My question is about the wiring -- deteriorated wiring was said to be the cause of the TWA Flight 800 air crash. Over time sitting in the heat, I imagine the wiring sheathing would deteriorate. Of course, I imagine flying a plane at minus forty degrees farenheit at 35,000 feet could also cause the wiring outside the cabin enclosure to become brittle.

I also read someplace that it is virtually impossible to replace all the wiring of an aircraft once it is built as the plane would have to be almost entirely disassembled in order to do so.

Anyways, how long does all that wiring last?


User currently offlineTod From Denmark, joined Aug 2004, 1722 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 11781 times:

Quoting Warreng24 (Reply 22):
What were you doing inside?

Aircraft survey.
They had been modified by flight Structures Inc a couple of times since they were delivered.
I needed to double check some details before completing some reconfig engineering.

Tod


25 CroCop : Sad to see them in the Desert. Hope they see the skies soon.
26 Post contains images United_Fan : Thanks for the info! VCV is an odd place,for sure. I've often wanted to drive down those dirt roads,but I was scared I'de get the rental stuck
27 DTW757 : I wouldn't try it after some heavy rains but the roads are pretty solid if it is dry. I had a Chevrolet Impala as a rental and didn't have any proble
28 AerospaceFan : I've driven down some of those dirt roads in the High Desert; some of them are literally "washboard" in texture. I wouldn't use my personal car if I c
29 CX flyboy : United quite often ferry a 744 into HKG from Pusan in Korea after maintenance and then ferry one from Hong Kong back up there. They use HKG as a swapp
30 Tundra767 : I was on one in Nov from HKG that had just done that swap.
31 IFIXCF6 : FYI, the 2 remaining "United" 744's are 106UA and 185UA. How they are stored, as in what is done to them is dependent upon the storage program that th
32 Planetime : IS there any good places to see the stored aircrafts in Victorville? I would not want to restricted area. Do they give any airport tours?
33 DTW757 : The roads around VCV are public roads, not the best public roads but they are public. There are no signs stating that it is a restricted area. As far
34 United_Fan : Just be warned that the road that leads to the 'mound' is not in the best neighborhood. When I was there in July,there was nothing at all over there
35 DC8FanJet : It is my understanding that there are now no United 744's left in Victorville, last left this week.
36 IFIXCF6 : Yes, 192UA left, leaving 106UA (the next one to leave) and 185UA. I removed and replaced a MLG wheel this morning from 185, so I am fairly sure she's
37 Planetime : Thanks All!
38 QF744ER : So when N185UA leaves VCV there will be no more current/former UA 744's left in storage at that location?? rgds Tom/PER
39 IFIXCF6 : That is correct. However, N185UA faces many issues (parts) that could delay her departure for a long while. N106UA had successful engine runs today, i
40 Post contains links Manny : Reported on Indian Aviation thread, N106UA is on it way to AI. Here is the link: Indian Aviation Thread:Part 43
41 Post contains links United_Fan : It went on Friday. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N106UA
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