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User currently offline9A-CRO From Croatia, joined Jun 2000, 1574 posts, RR: 8
Posted (13 years 11 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1512 times:
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after the break-up of Yugoslavia and forming of new
countries numerouse new carriers have arrised,
JAT once national carrier left in Serbia (although it should have been divided)

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in Serbia there was also Tiger Air, and older Aviogenex
in Croatia there is Croatia Airlines, and Air Adriatic is about to start service in spring, and there was Anic Airways

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in Slovenia Adria Airways became a national carrier
in MAcedonia there are (were) several airlines: Avioimpex, MAT, Palair Macedonian

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In Bosnia Air Bosna was formed, and several other carriers (Air Srpska...)

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in Montenegro there is Montenegro Airlines
I wonder what airline do you think will be the largest in several years? do you think there will be any mergers (I doubt it, maybe within the same country)? will some airlines go bakrupt?
do you know any other airlines from ex-YU? and does anybody know whose company was Vardar-Bosna Air (vardar is macedonian river)?


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User currently offlineJAT From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 1101 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (13 years 11 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1441 times:

With the situation in Yugoslavia changing JAT (which as I know is currently the biggest) will stay that way. Their situation should improve now that they are about to start flying to North America.

Tiger Air? Never heard of them. What happened to them. I found an article on the interet talkinga about "Aeroput-Karic". It was supposed to be financed by the Karic bank. The article was dated 1991. What evere hapened with that?


User currently offline9A-CRO From Croatia, joined Jun 2000, 1574 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (13 years 11 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1433 times:
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I think that Croatia Airlines will be the biggest
provided that it won't get strong competition
Croatia ha great touristic potential so that will
generate a lot of traffic in following years,
and economic growth will sustain the traffic out of
the touristic season
but if it would have to share traffic with other
airline then JAT would be the biggest (provided that it also won't get competition)
but Adria Airways has also the chance - much of its traffic is generated from other countries of ex-YU



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User currently offline9A-CRO From Croatia, joined Jun 2000, 1574 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (13 years 11 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1429 times:
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I heard some rumors about estabishing ZAG-BEG route in
six months time (from a friend workingat ZAG apt)

do you think that this route could be profitable,
despite the recent conflict between Croatia and Serbia?

and which airline would operate it?
Croatia, JAT or both?
or some third airline?



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User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 32
Reply 4, posted (13 years 11 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1422 times:

It would have been nice, and I think profitable too, because there are so many people who have relatives in Serbia or Croatia.

I`ve never heard about that before, but I guess that both JAT and Croatia Airlines should fly.

For the beginning, they both have ATRs to fly that route.

Hope your news will become reality soon.

Aleksandar



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User currently offline9A-CRO From Croatia, joined Jun 2000, 1574 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (13 years 11 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1419 times:
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yes, it is true that some people have relatives in
the other city, but since the economical situation
is Serbia is very bad due to isolation, and in Croatia
it is better, but I still think that most people will choose buses instead of airplanes



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User currently offlineFlyboy_se From Sweden, joined Feb 2000, 812 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (13 years 11 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1413 times:


There are allreaddy train conections between Zagreb and Belgrade.But it would be better with planes.
I dont know what has economy in the country has to do with people having reletives????

There is also new started airline called Air Kosova in Kosovo.

If JAT gets the A318 as they said , then those could also do on the BEG -ZAG route , if it starts.




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User currently offline9A-CRO From Croatia, joined Jun 2000, 1574 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (13 years 11 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1406 times:
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flyboy - economical standard in some country is relevant
because if the standard is low people don't have much money and they would rather
choose cheaper way of transport instead of airplane

since the date I heard collides with date when will
new start-up in Croatia, Air Adriatic, be formed it might
this airline be flying on thtat route (aircraft would be Do328Jet which could be optimal for that route)

BTW. does anybody know why has this topic been divided in two?
automatically or manualy following suggestion?



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User currently offline9A-CRO From Croatia, joined Jun 2000, 1574 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (13 years 11 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1406 times:
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now the topic is back together ???
(I saw this topic divided on forum into
Ex-yu airlines and ZAG-BEG route)


?????



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User currently offlineFlyboy_se From Sweden, joined Feb 2000, 812 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (13 years 11 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1405 times:

i know that , but there are always people that can afford plane tickets.
The eceonomic situation in Yugoslavia isnt that good but it doesnt mean that all people are poore.

I was also wondering why the subject divided in 2.Verry strange  



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User currently offlineKUGN From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 615 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (13 years 11 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1407 times:

Hey, 9A-CRO you forgot to mention the short-lived airline from 1970s "Pan Adria" based from Zagreb (or at least I remember it so). I think they had leased B727 at the time, but I might have seen DC-9-30 in their livery in some book.

Who is Croatia Airlines codesharing with?


User currently offlineFlyboy_se From Sweden, joined Feb 2000, 812 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (13 years 11 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1403 times:

There was also Air Yugoslavia, the charter leg of JAT.
But they operated JAT planes so i dont know if you can count them as an airline



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User currently offlineCB777 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1216 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (13 years 11 months 3 days ago) and read 1399 times:

I think Croatia Airlines will be the most successful, because they get alot of tourists. I just hope they will start flying to New York soon!!!!! Either New York-JFK or Newark, there is alot of Croatians who live in this area and we would like direct flights to Zagreb. I don't mean to get off the subject but how come no US airline will fly this route especially during the summer season? When will JAT start flying to the US?


CB777


User currently offlineJAT From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 1101 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (13 years 11 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1397 times:

JAT will start flying to Toronto by the end of the year and to New York and Chicago by the spring of next year.

User currently offline9A-CRO From Croatia, joined Jun 2000, 1574 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (13 years 11 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1394 times:
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Croatia codeshare with:
Lufhansa (strongest co-operation)
Air Bosna
Air France
Malaysia Airlines
Alitalia
Iberia
Avioimpex
Turkis Airlines
i hope I haven;t dropped any 



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User currently offlineMontenegro From Italy, joined May 1999, 545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (13 years 11 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1381 times:


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Well, MGX plans to expand their routes and fleet. A friend of mine told me that they are very happy with the F100 and that they are trying to find 2 more for the next summer season. As for the new aircrafts (or newer) it is true that they are looking to something (according to Flight International that is B735 ) medium and yes they will try again to establish the PG-JFK route what was due to start on May '99 in cooperation with Air Europe. I don't know why they want to do that now that JAT is going to be full-operational but my friend (who works for them as a driver) told me like that.
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As for TIGER AIR that was the attempt of the criminal man ARKAN (that was killed early this year) to make profit with an Yak 42. He had great fleet and flight expansion planes, but nothing about that. That airline dissapered early in 1998.

Another airline is PELIKAN BLUE AIR operating two L410 from Podgorica to Bari and Banja Luka. I've read that JAT is planning to establish a Montengreenian subsidiary called Air Budva. You can see their's office and logo at Kotor (but nothing yet).

Hope this may help you.

Savo, Salerno, ITALIA


User currently offlineDufo From Slovenia, joined May 1999, 800 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (13 years 11 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1414 times:

Perhaps this one is little bit off-topic, buy anyway..
Does anyone have any info about this YU-AHE (named Ljubljana in this picture)?

http://home.amis.net/jernejv/adriaX/Adria727.jpg

I've emailed this picture to adria but they said they never operated any 727's. Strange, because this is scanned from original picture (Venceslav Zupancic was the owner of this picture, if you know who that was  .

Regards,
Jernej, Ljubljana

p.s. for Fs2000 freaks: http://home.amis.net/jernejv/adriaX/jat_bg.JPG



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User currently offlineSushka From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 4784 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (13 years 11 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1379 times:

I have been on Adria Airways many times, And I enjoy the experience. They are really good! Plus the airport in Jubljana is really nice.


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User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 34
Reply 18, posted (13 years 11 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1382 times:

I think Adria is going to be the predominant airline in that region, for two reasons:
a) Their cooperation with Lufthansa is more developped than Croatia´s;
b) Slovenia is going to be the first ex Yugoslav country in the EU, which is going to boost traffic and trade.

Daniel 


User currently offline9A-CRO From Croatia, joined Jun 2000, 1574 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (13 years 11 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1372 times:
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I forgot to mention some smaller airlines from Croatia
North Adria Aviation

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Trade Air 3xL410
Laus Air 1Xl410 (i'm not sure but i think it has been absorbed by Farnair Europe)

airsicknessbag:
Adria could be the biggest but there is a problem
because the country is to small (2 x less inhabitants than in Croatia)
and my guess is that MAribor area (one of better
developed economical areas) would use Graz apt
if there were no borders to Austria, also
Trieste apt would pose the threat



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User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 32
Reply 20, posted (13 years 11 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1371 times:

This picture of Adria`s 727 really surprised me.

First, I thought that that plane was leased from JAT , but when I saw registration, I didn`t know what to think.

All Boeing 727s in ex-Yugoslavia had YU-AK- registration. For example YU-AKF(JAT) or YU-AKD(Aviogenex).

Something is definitely wrong with that photo, and it reminded me of Adria Airways office in Belgrade, some ten years ago. They had a model of DC-10 in Adria colours!



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User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 34
Reply 21, posted (13 years 11 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1370 times:

9A-CRO,
it would be interesting to see the percentage of pax connecting through Ljubljana because of the LH cooperation. This might up for the lack of a market in their own country. Seems like LJU has become kind of a mini-hub for LH, whereas Croatia Airlines´ LH codesharing is limited to the direct flights Germany-Croatia.
I don´t think Trieste is a problem; you don´t have direct flights from there to FRA, LON or PAR, from LJU you do. GRZ might be more of a "threat", you have direct flights to FRA from there, but still not LON or PAR.
Daniel 


User currently offlineKUGN From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 615 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (13 years 11 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1366 times:

Airsicknessbag,

very interesting points. Is Tyrolean any competition to Adria Airways, or do they have very different markets? Seems Adria is to LH, what Tyrolean is to Austrian Airlines.


User currently offline9A-CRO From Croatia, joined Jun 2000, 1574 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (13 years 11 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1366 times:
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LH-Croatia cooperation is developing and recently
there was joint promotional offer with rahter low
prices to major world destinations,
also the timetables are made such that teh easy connections are possible

BTW. - Croatia codeshares with Adria on Ljubljana-Split route
( I believe that Adria CRJ flies it)



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User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 32
Reply 24, posted (13 years 11 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1364 times:

Something more about Pan-Adria.

I think they had Fokker 27s, they also leased 727-100 from Scanair and I also saw the picture of their DC-9.

Does anybody have more info about their fleet?



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25 9A-CRO : Pan Adria has also operated some Convair props (don't know which) also there was Ivan Air which operated AN-26 I don't know what happened to them BTW.
26 KUGN : I remember leased 727-100, and there was a book with airlines of the past that had a photo of Pan Adria DC9. I never heard they had Fokker 27. 9A-CRO
27 9A-CRO : I don t know exactly for Pula, but I know that there were plenty of charter flights to Croatia from Germany, Belgium, Czech Republic, Russia... Croati
28 Monte : I am sure that ZAG-BEG route would be profitable, not so much for the commont people visiting their relatives, but as an important business route. Rec
29 Post contains links and images 9A-CRO : I am not quite sure if people from Croatia would like to connect through Belgrade, they'd rather use Frankfurt, Vienna, Budapest or Prague because the
30 SAS767 : In the latest number of Airliner World (dec. 2000) there’s an article about Montenegro Airlines. According to Danilo Mijac (Technical director)
31 9A-CRO : yes, too bad that there is no direct service between Zagreb and Copenhagen, I miss SAS the service to Copenhagen is now thru FRA with LH and that is e
32 CB777 : Why did Croatia Airlines and SAS pull out of the ZAG-CPH route? Were the planes empty, they didn't have many passengers? CB777
33 KUGN : According to the same issue of "Airliner World" magazine a Sabena and BA are suspending services to Ljubljana. This is strange, as it seems that winte
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