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Another Blow To Airbus A380, AA Unlikely To Buy  
User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 18976 times:

In another blow to Airbus, AA SVP Craig Kreeger declared AA will likely not buy the much delayed A380.

http://today.reuters.com/news/articl...RLINES-PLANES-DC.XML&from=business

Dubai-based Emirates Airline, the biggest A380 customer, with 43 planes on order, has said it will lose hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue because of the delays. Airbus will have to take a "massive write-off" to foot the bill, Emirates President Tim Clark said this week.

Airbus, controlled by EADS (the European Aeronautics Defence and Space company), received orders for just 800 aircraft in 2006, down from 1,055 in 2005. It has had to contend with a resurgent Boeing, and a weak dollar.

Airbus is suffering from highly publicised production problems and delays with its jumbo A380 model as well as relatively weak sales of its A330/340 models and the delayed A350.

Airbus’s market share now stands at only 18% in the market for wide-body airplanes, compared to Boeing’s 82%.

http://www.thebusinessonline.com/Doc...3E97F5-7C30-4551-8B07-041B5A93E4DF

[Edited 2007-01-18 15:08:58]

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User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 18956 times:

Hardly a shock. Was AA ever considered a serious potential customer? UA & NW however....

Not the worst news Airbus has had recently.



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User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1909 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 18955 times:

No surprise there. I don't think AA will have anything bigger than a 350-seater in their fleet in the next 20 years. Besides, they're in bed with Boeing, so odds of them buying Airbus product are zero to none.


Now get your f***ing Jumbo Jet off my airport!!! - AC/DC "Ain't No Fun To Be a Millionaire"
User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10227 posts, RR: 97
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 18956 times:
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Quoting Keesje (Thread starter):
Airbus, controlled by EADS (the European Aeronautics Defence and Space company), received orders for just 800 aircraft in 2006

Just..............

Regards


User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4166 posts, RR: 36
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 18928 times:

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 3):
Just..............

Just two years worth of production won in one year... really bad. (Sarcasm off)



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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 18901 times:

I'm told that Delta, Continental, USAir, American, and Air Canada are all NOT going to buy the A380.

It will fail miserably. How can it possibly succeed without these blue chip major's support?

I'm selling my Airbus shares off the back of this awful news.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 18865 times:

I think Keesje's intention was to be sarcastic. I have to admit Keesje that you actually put a smile on my face with this thread.

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 3):
Quoting Keesje (Thread starter):
Airbus, controlled by EADS (the European Aeronautics Defence and Space company), received orders for just 800 aircraft in 2006

Just..............

I noticed that too. It's as if the both Airbus and Boeing can score 800+ orders every single year.

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 18869 times:

AA doesn't even have 773s or 747s, what would they do with A380s anyway? Besides, who knows how much longer they'll be around, profit or not. Hardly a "blow" for Airbus. They should rather focus on selling them A350s, would fit way better.

User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 18841 times:

Breaking news ...

"In another blow to Boeing, Southwest unlikely to buy 747-400"

 Smile


User currently offlineSlz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 18841 times:

Knowing Keesje, I think the title was ment to be sarcastic....

BTW, AA sounded really interested in the A350 on their video conference recently and when you look objectively at it, it would make much sense for them to replace their T7 fleet with the clearly superior A359/A351; the 787 could be ordered in the 783 and 788 versions to replace their 762 and 763, thus getting the best of both words.


User currently offlineNaritaflyer From Japan, joined Apr 2006, 549 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 18713 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 5):
I'm told that Delta, Continental, USAir, American, and Air Canada are all NOT going to buy the A380.

It will fail miserably. How can it possibly succeed without these blue chip major's support?

I'm selling my Airbus shares off the back of this awful news.

Hardly convincing given that none of those airlines have 747s either and that aircarft was not exactly a failure.The airlines you mention have nowhere to put the A380 to work.


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 18681 times:

Quoting Keesje (Thread starter):
In another blow to Airbus, AA SVP Craig Kreeger declared AA will likely not buy the much delayed A380.

And in other news, the sun rose in the east today, and is expected to set in the west.


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 18645 times:

Oh damn, I was hoping for AA to put the A380 on routes out of DAL to start their final attack on Southwest  Silly .

Quoting Thorben (Reply 7):



Quoting Naritaflyer (Reply 10):

Sarcasm is obviously something not found with anybody  Wink .

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 5):

Good one Big grin .


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 18419 times:

AA won't buy the 747-8 SuperJumbo either. So what? The VLA market is a small niche. There are only a handful of airlines that need anything larger than an A350-1000 or 787-11.

User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 18372 times:

Sarcasm Z-man - sarcasm!  Wink


What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineSimProgrammer From France, joined Aug 2004, 193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 18323 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 5):
I'm selling my Airbus shares off the back of this awful news.

I didnt know you can buy shares in Airbus



Drive a bus, an Airbus, easier than a London bus!
User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9541 posts, RR: 42
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 18224 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 11):
And in other news, the sun rose in the east today, and is expected to set in the west.

It'll never happen. The whole concept was flawed from the start.  duck 


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13736 posts, RR: 61
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 18226 times:
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Quoting Slz396 (Reply 9):
it would make much sense for them to replace their T7 fleet with the clearly superior A359/A351

Now THAT'S comedy!  rotfl 



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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 18202 times:

Quoting SimProgrammer (Reply 15):
I didnt know you can buy shares in Airbus

No, but there's always the EADS shares.

You can, however, buy into the pending EADS bond floats that are directly related to future Airbus funding.



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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 18139 times:

Quoting SimProgrammer (Reply 15):
I didnt know you can buy shares in Airbus

One can buy Airbus if one can find someone who owns them who is willing to sell them and can agree on a price. Right now, EADS own all the Airbus shares, but I'm sure they would sell E1B or more worth for the right price.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 17):
Now THAT'S comedy!

How so? The A350 will be a great 777 replacement. I suspect the 787 will be a better 777 replacement, but that will depend on price.


User currently offlineCoal From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2127 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 18139 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 7):
AA doesn't even have 773s or 747s, what would they do with A380s anyway? Besides, who knows how much longer they'll be around, profit or not.

You must be smokin' some of the hard stuff if you think AA is not going to be around any longer  Yeah sure

Cheers,
Coal



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13736 posts, RR: 61
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 18086 times:
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Quoting Zvezda (Reply 19):
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 17):
Now THAT'S comedy!

How so?

It's hardly a slam-dunk to think of AA replacing a fleet of 40-plus airframes with a product that isn't very clearly defined as of yet, especially when you've got a VERY clearly defined (787) product that is arguably a better replacement (once replacement time comes around - their 777 fleet is young!) AND the fact that AA will be preoccupied with the MD-80 fleet replacement (360 frames, give or take) in the next few years.



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User currently offlineAviator27 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 18060 times:

Quoting Keesje (Thread starter):
In another blow to Airbus, AA SVP Craig Kreeger declared AA will likely not buy the much delayed A380.

I love the media, they lack perspective sometimes.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 18018 times:

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 9):

BTW, AA sounded really interested in the A350 on their video conference recently

Sounded more of a misquote than really interested...

The 787-9 and 787-10 will be the perfect fit for AA...



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineSlz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 17992 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 21):
It's hardly a slam-dunk to think of AA replacing a fleet of 40-plus airframes with a product that isn't very clearly defined as of yet, especially when you've got a VERY clearly defined (787) product that is arguably a better replacement.

Well, SQ doesn't seem to think it is such a silly idea to split the order.

But who cares, they are only the world's most highly respected airline.  Yeah sure


25 Bongodog1964 : isn't it lovely when the silly seasons starts; obviously the head of AA hadn't got any real news to tell the reporter, so he came up with the obvious
26 Post contains images EA CO AS : Refresh my memory...how are those A345s working out for them?
27 Zvezda : SQ have yet to split the order. They are still negotiating with both Airbus and Boeing.
28 CM767 : Daaaaa, and in a blow to Boeing they would not buy the 747-8I.
29 N328KF : I think that EADS would kill any potential buyer on the price:earnings ratio of those shares. EADS knows that it wasn't very long ago that they had a
30 Post contains images DfwRevolution : According to whom, exactly? SQ has an LOI. They are not a firm A350 customer. Far stranger things have happened in the last twenty years than for SQ
31 EbbUK : I blame Airbus for their lack of transparency when publishing orders on their website. Why didn't they say that AA and the other airlines you mention
32 Columba : Have not heard anything negative yet. I find it interesting that an AA manager says that they are interested in the A350. Even if they won´t place a
33 EI321 : Delusional in that AA are interested in the A350, perhaps. Delusional in the oinion that the A350 will be a superior plane to the 777, well its hard
34 Post contains images Zvezda : A LoI signed by SQ is nearly an indicator that a type won't serve in SQ's fleet.
35 CHRISBA777ER : I'm disgusted by this. How dare they? I think its Jade Goody and Jo O'Meara's fault to be honest. I'm writing to my MP.
36 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Very well might be...but between the B777 and A350, there is something in the way called the B787....
37 Flybyguy : I think AA may have been able to use the A380F for cargo services to China and the rest of Asia... but I don't see how they can use a passenger A380 t
38 Post contains images EI321 : So these A345s are not working out for SQ, so I guess they are changing these aircraft that are apparently not working out for them?
39 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Er..no, its just not worth the cost of purchasing the -200LR...... edit: just to add to my post...AA has deferred 777 slots...[Edited 2007-01-18 17:2
40 EbbUK : Couldn't top that even if I tried. LOVE IT. I am texting Blair
41 Zvezda : SQ's problem with the A340-500 is that the resale values are so low that it's not affordable to replace them with the 777-200LR. They will remain in
42 JAAlbert : Rumour has it that the Boeing BWB is out of the running at AA too
43 DfwRevolution : Delusional to think that AA is in any hurry to replace nearly 50 (relativly young) 772ER. Look at AA's fleet needs. Neither the 787 nor A350 are goin
44 EA CO AS : Try again - unless you consider significant payload restrictions to be a good thing.
45 SK736 : What a stupid statement. Nobody ever seriously thought AA would buy the A380 did they? I hardly think Airbus executives will lose much sleep over thi
46 CX747 : I never considered AA a realistic customer for the A380 to begin with. They haven't operated a VLA for quite some time. They seem quite happy running
47 Post contains images Ferret : Good one.
48 EI321 : Restrictions that did not stop them ordering it. If they did not like the aircraft they would not be flying it.
49 EA CO AS : ...yet got them to cancel their options.
50 BoeingBus : No matter how you spin this or how much sarcasm you bring on to the forum... this is truly a blow to the A380 program. There are only a handful of ai
51 Post contains images PipoA380 : 2006 was a very good year for the 330. That also means good for the 330/340 program. AA does not buy the 380, but I think we all knew that
52 Atmx2000 : I question whether AA has the hubs for it. I don't think AA has enough heft at any of its northern or western hubs in large cities. And I am not sure
53 PanAmOldDC8 : I keep saying that the big aircraft are useful on specfic routes only. AA and most other flights across the Atlantic will not use the 380 as people h
54 Post contains images Boo25 : This is like NO news , really ! Were AA ever considered a likely customer, erh ,no.... They only had a 747 for 'seconds' in relation to it's service h
55 Zvezda : 2006 was also a good year for the WhaleJet. Net orders were positive, which was a surprise to me. They also ended the year with just one fewer custom
56 BoomBoom : The A380 is a great program (for Boeing). " target=_blank>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn....html
57 Zvezda : Huh? I don't see any way in which the existance of the WhaleJet program helps Boeing.
58 Srbmod : Since this thread has started to go the A v. B route, it is now closed.
59 N328KF : It diverts resources (time, money, talent) from other efforts which Airbus could otherwise use to compete with Boeing: Call it opportunity cost. Ther
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