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Pictures: First Look Inside The 747-8I  
User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 34267 times:

Quote:
Boeing has revealed the interior design of the recently-launched 747-8 Intercontinental in a newly-completed two-deck mock-up of the door two entryway area at the company’s Customer Experience Center in Renton, Washington...

...The centrepiece of the mock-up is the redesigned stairway which, although in approximately the same location by door two, now features a stylized spiral opening and open area at the aft part of the top deck...



http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...s-boeing-unveils-interiors-at.html

[Edited 2007-01-18 19:16:54]

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User currently offlineV1valarob From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 34108 times:

I dont really understand the point of showing photos of the inside of new aircraft. Yes, it looks great inside, and I would love to fly in it. But every airline chooses their own layout. I would rather see pictures from the airlines directly about what they plan for the layout as that will be what you really get. As far as I know there is no boeing airlines  Wink .

-Rob


User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2743 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 34072 times:

the interior is really superb!!!I can't wait to fly on a 748I!!!


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User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 33932 times:

Quoting V1valarob (Reply 1):
I dont really understand the point of showing photos of the inside of new aircraft

It is rather pointless. At least Boeing is not claiming that they are going to but workout rooms, saunas, and other assorted nonsense into there aircraft. It reminds me of car manufactures and their prototypes.


User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 33894 times:

Quoting V1valarob (Reply 1):
I dont really understand the point of showing photos of the inside of new aircraft. Yes, it looks great inside, and I would love to fly in it. But every airline chooses their own layout. I would rather see pictures from the airlines directly about what they plan for the layout as that will be what you really get. As far as I know there is no boeing airlines Wink .

There are aspects that people want to see. With the 787, it was the larger windows, the wider cabin (due to thinner ribs), and the new lighting.

With the 747-8, it will be the larger (relative to the 747-400) windows, the 787 lighting, the new staircase, etc.

It is also important for to be able to show a customer the interior and have them imagine their particular interior fittings in place.



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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 33833 times:

What has happened to the loft idea? Was it ever serious?

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21583 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 33804 times:

The staircase is not a user definable option, at least in it's size and location. It must be certified in evacuation and structural tests. So this looks to be the real stair, and as a customer, that looks far more inviting than the narrow tunnel to nowhere the old stair was...


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21583 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 33751 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 5):
What has happened to the loft idea? Was it ever serious?

It is not going to be used as a public space. Boeing was serious, but no airline took it seriously.

The loft will now be used for galley and crew rest space, which frees up the equivalent of at least 2 rows of Y on the main deck, and possibly more depending on how much activity an airline transfers to the loft (cart storage only vs a working cooking galley, etc.)



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User currently offlineV1valarob From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 33667 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 6):



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 6):
The staircase is not a user definable option, at least in it's size and location. It must be certified in evacuation and structural tests. So this looks to be the real stair, and as a customer, that looks far more inviting than the narrow tunnel to nowhere the old stair was...

Ah, I did not think of this, or know this, but it makes sense. If it was up to airlines, they would make them tiny to fit more seats.

-Rob


User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 33611 times:

Quoting V1valarob (Reply 8):
Ah, I did not think of this, or know this, but it makes sense. If it was up to airlines, they would make them tiny to fit more seats

If it was up to the airlines it would just be a ladder.


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 33482 times:

Leelaw, thank you for starting this thread. I am particularly impressed by the "blue pools of light" for the ceiling of the aircraft; they really do suggest the vast spaces of the open skies and have, paradoxically, both a calming and an exhilarating effect at the same time.

I recognize that Boeing can only suggest concepts for airlines to implement at their option, but the fact that the newest model of the 747 offers such a versatile canvas for interior design and passenger delight has great appeal to me. Let's hope that airlines that purchase what promises to be the best 747 of all find some way to bring some of these imaginative, yet practical, ideas to life.

[Edited 2007-01-18 20:49:06]

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31421 posts, RR: 85
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 33330 times:
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Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 9):
If it was up to the airlines it would just be a ladder.

Or a knotted rope.  Smile


Also, some of these interior fittings will probably carry over to actual in-service 747-8's, even if items like seating are different. Kind of like the "Signature Series" interiors Boeing developed for their other widebody models/families in things like bins, lighting, and such.


User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9233 posts, RR: 76
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 33299 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 6):
The staircase is not a user definable option, at least in it's size and location. It must be certified in evacuation and structural tests. So this looks to be the real stair, and as a customer, that looks far more inviting than the narrow tunnel to nowhere the old stair was...

AFAIK no evacuation test has been done on the upper deck of a 747 for a long time, if I recall correctly when initially certified only a very small number of people (maybe about 15 or so on the 747-100) were evacuated in the spiral staircase in the actual certification test. I dont think the upper deck slides were actually tested via an evacuation test.

The stretched upper deck to my understanding has never been through a certification test, nor is it likely even going to need one if it continues with grandfather rights off the 747-100.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21583 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 33268 times:

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 9):
If it was up to the airlines it would just be a ladder.

Someone beat me to the knotted rope answer.  Smile

Quoting Stitch (Reply 11):
Also, some of these interior fittings will probably carry over to actual in-service 747-8's, even if items like seating are different.

Actually, the pictures they show are all of the aspects that are not user definable and are value added UPGRADES to the 744:

-Larger 777/764 windows
-New 787 bins without modifying the 744 structure
-New wider open stair in traditional location

And so these pictures and the physical mockup are very important and aren't really fluff at all. The seats in the pictures are only representative of what you could do, but they show scale and headroom, both important to visualize.



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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 33214 times:

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 3):
At least Boeing is not claiming that they are going to but workout rooms, saunas, and other assorted nonsense into there aircraft.


Boeing did propose the skyloft with a computer station and space for other things that can be seen in earlier proposals. Never heard of a sauna on a plane though!

Quote:
The new SkyLoft area on the upper deck of the 747-8 Intercontinental gives operators the choice between additional main-deck seats or the opportunity to create a unique passenger experience through personal suites, a lounge or a business center.

www.boeing.com

Earlier interior concepts can be seen here (page 23):

http://www.boeing.com/news/feature/f...tions/RT%20747-8%20Farnborough.pdf

Overall the the 748i interior looks good. Like a 777 with A380 style entrance area.

[Edited 2007-01-18 20:48:27]

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31421 posts, RR: 85
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 33141 times:
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Quoting Zeke (Reply 12):
AFAIK no evacuation test has been done on the upper deck of a 747 for a long time, if I recall correctly when initially certified only a very small number of people (maybe about 15 or so on the 747-100) were evacuated in the spiral staircase in the actual certification test. I dont think the upper deck slides were actually tested via an evacuation test.

Boeing would have had to certify a "maximum capacity" model, which I guess would have been something like a 747SR model used in the Japanese home markets.

Such a config would would have packed a good deal more people into it then even a 747-8I configured for 40" Business Class upper deck would hold and as such might mean that Boeing no longer needs to perform tests until the total capacity exceeds that original limit.

Just as a stretched A380-900 would probably not to have to run a new evac test unless an airline wished to install more then 853(?) seats.


User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9233 posts, RR: 76
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 33123 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 15):

Boeing would have had to certify a "maximum capacity" model, which I guess would have been something like a 747SR model used in the Japanese home markets.

Not to my knowledge, they got a letter from the FAA saying when installing an additional pair of a type of door (I think it was type A) an additional 110 pax can be carried.



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User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 33124 times:

Boeing needs press like this to further associate 747-8i with being connected to 787 Dreamliner, to show that it is modern and innovative, as opposed to just being a worked over 747-400. They fight an uphill battle in that department.

Quoting EI321 (Reply 5):
What has happened to the loft idea? Was it ever serious?

The airlines rejected, not a good enough use of space, it appears.

At least 747-8i isn't pitching crazy ideas like Airbus did with A380... my two favorites I saw were that you could include a Casino and a small synagogue in the A380... pitched at different airlines, of course.

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 9):
Quoting V1valarob (Reply 8):
Ah, I did not think of this, or know this, but it makes sense. If it was up to airlines, they would make them tiny to fit more seats

If it was up to the airlines it would just be a ladder.

Hahaha, depending which airline.... if ryanair ever operated it.... it might be more like, a pole you slide down... or climb up.



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User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3599 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 32949 times:

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 17):
if ryanair ever operated it.... it might be more like, a pole you slide down... or climb up.

next to the advertisement covered high-tech lightweight milk boxes with rope seatbelts

As for the loft.
As a space for pax...doomed to failure. Paxs sit in seats and then go up there to eat, have business meetings or rest in suites during the flight. In an emergency where you need to get people into regular seats again could be a nightmare. If 20 or 30 people are in that loft and you hit some good turbulence, they have to go back to regular seats. If their seats were on the main deck, that is 20 or 30 people going down the one stairs to the main deck. (or was there another set of stairs)

Put carts and crew up there.
Taking the crew rest out of the tail makes space for another lav in the back.
That would be a nice crew rest. No fighting over the limited bedding.
Use extra space for more C or Y.

Would leaving much of the loft empty be better economically? (lighter)



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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 32887 times:

I don't understand the thinking behind the open space next to the stairs. That is now valuable closet space. The only thing it would seem to be good for is emergency evacuation of other peoples' screaming babies.  Wink

User currently offlineBoomBoom From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 32886 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 11):
Or a knotted rope.

If you left off the knots, you could save a little weight.  Wink


User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 859 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 32834 times:

Deja vú exept the stairs are wider in another a/c I´ve seen on pics for a while now.

Micke//  Wink



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31421 posts, RR: 85
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 32634 times:
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Quoting Solnabo (Reply 21):
Deja vú exept the stairs are wider in another a/c I´ve seen on pics for a while now.

Well I'd hope that be the case since that other a/c holds a good deal more people upstairs.  Wink


User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1624 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 32035 times:

I can't wait to fly the 747-8!

User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 31715 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 22):
Quoting Solnabo (Reply 21):
Deja vú exept the stairs are wider in another a/c I´ve seen on pics for a while now.

Well I'd hope that be the case since that other a/c holds a good deal more people upstairs. Wink

Why even put stairs on the A380? Upstairs is premium, has its own boarding area, own jet bridge, etc. downstairs is steerage, just heard all the nice people on through the 'other' jet bridge... it's like too separate airplanes. Heck, you could put two airlines on one plane... upstairs is Privatair, downstairs is Southwest!

Quoting Centrair (Reply 18):
Put carts and crew up there.
Taking the crew rest out of the tail makes space for another lav in the back.
That would be a nice crew rest. No fighting over the limited bedding.
Use extra space for more C or Y.

perhaps it would be more convenient to put the crew rest up in there, but it seems to work well enough in the tail, and you could probably at least put galley space upstairs, make more room on the main deck, or us the space upstairs for more C/J seating, like you said.

Quoting Centrair (Reply 18):

Would leaving much of the loft empty be better economically? (lighter)

My guess is putting additional seats up there, if possible, if not, move as much of the galley type stuff up there as possible would clear more space for seating, lavs, and closet space on the main deck. The goal is use as much space on the plane for seating and pax related paraphernalia as is possible.

Why not put in a bowling alley upstairs, or maybe a big hot tub, maybe a bocce ball court, hahaha.



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25 Post contains images Yellowtail : Thse models need help! In the pic posted in this thread I think the conversation between the two people goes something like Old Man "I have never seen
26 Post contains images Stitch : The real answer as to why they have a staircase is, I imagine, evacuation issues.
27 Zvezda : Most gates from which WhaleJets will operate will not have a jetbridge for upstairs.
28 Smashme33 : I dunno...I still like regular flying on regular 'ol planes like the dc-9. Flying itself is luxury enough.
29 Post contains images Alaskaqantas : Great to see this! there use to be... then a few airlines merged and the result is now called United Airlines. hehe, I always thought that the way the
30 N231YE : I may be missing something, or the test was recently modified not to long ago: on the 777-200 (basic model), the aircraft was certified to carry [I c
31 Vasu : So... do they plan to put galleys up in the loft??
32 Post contains images ZKSUJ : Nice pic, but would be interesting to see what the cabin is actually like when it enteres commercial service. My bet is for rows and rows of seats as
33 Jfk777 : Lets face it, the 747 has been the world flying QE2 for 36 years. The most luxurious airplanes have been the 744 in each airline having them. Who woul
34 Ikramerica : That lounging area you speak of is not really at all, as that's a very wide angle lens they are using. It's the door 2 entrance and crossover. Some a
35 Zvezda : I'm offering 10 to 1 odds that they used small models to make the seats look larger.
36 Ikramerica : I've got a pretty good eye for dimensions, and those seats just don't look like the 17.2" wide seats I'm used to seeing on CO narrowbodies. I at firs
37 Post contains links Stitch : 250 passengers is far too low for an evacuation limit test for a 777-200. The actual figure is 440 for the 777-200 family and 550 for the 777-300 fam
38 ZKNBX : Is there an internal cabin layout showing seating and galleys, exits etc (as for the 787) available anywhere?
39 Post contains links Brendows : For the 748i, take a look in the Airport Compatibility Brochure here: http://www.boeing.com/commercial/airports/acaps/7478brochure.pdf and for the 78
40 Post contains links AerospaceFan : In the following, the main entrance area looks almost like a hotel lobby; the perspective taken makes it look enormous. http://www.boeing.com/news/rel
41 Post contains links Brendows : Some extra shots of the interior can be seen here: http://boeingmedia.com/
42 Post contains links and images Leelaw : Boeing Press Release: SEATTLE, Jan. 18, 2007 -- The Boeing Company [NYSE: BA] today unveiled a life-size sales display of the interior for the new 74
43 Post contains images Jbernie : Oh you are being ridiculous, everyone knows you can just have a short rope or no rope at all, if you cant jump up and reach the rope or the floor of
44 JumpJet : Where's the Jacuzzi and Bowling Alley then?
45 MCOflyer : I agree with you. I wish they would show LH's plan for their 748I. MCOflyer
46 Incitatus : However, for the vast majority of travelers the 747-8i will feel nothing short of tight sardine can. I am a fan of Boeing but these interior studies
47 FlyDreamliner : perhaps this is just me, but that would make boarding and deplaning terrible. Think of how long it would take to get roughly 200 people potentially u
48 EbbUK : The only place to be on the 747 is the upper deck, peace and quiet. Far too cramped in economy. The 380 promises to change that when it enters service
49 Post contains images Zvezda : I agree. I prefer the LH practice of putting F upstairs to the SQ practice of putting F in the nose -- except that I more often fly in C.
50 AerospaceFan : I look forward to flying on the famous upper deck of the 747, as I have never done so. It would appear to be a unique experience. Even never having fl
51 Mir : Are they going to put the electric window tinting from the 787 on the 748? -Mir
52 Post contains links and images BigMac : Here are 10 pics of the interior including the upper deck: http://news.com.com/2300-1008_3-6151336-1.html?tag=ne.gall.pg
53 Jbernie : I would be leaning more towards the fact that there is nothing you need to get to past the room. For the rest of the plane, at least if we assume som
54 OA260 : Sorry but I cant see anything great about this ''revamped jumbo'' and these photos never look like whats on board anyway. The staircase is un inspirin
55 Post contains links and images Leelaw : "Inside the 747: Look, you're flying!" http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...aerospace/2003531502_boeing19.html
56 Ha763 : Because the upper deck is full of communication equipment and stations
57 Post contains links AerospaceFan : I appreciate everyone's replies regarding the VC-25A (Presidential 747). They make a lot of sense. I've been looking at Internet information and photo
58 Zkpilot : Considering most airlines have about 300 pax or more on a 777-200 this figure would be very low. I'd imagine the evac test figure would be more like
59 Post contains images BigMac : Uuhhhmmmm... I have a question! I just noticed that the windows seem to be different on the upper (square) and lower deck (oval). Isn't it going to lo
60 Post contains links and images Metroliner : looks pretty swish. the windows, certainly, are something boeing are getting right on cue. still, whatever happened to the days when interiors of airc
61 EbbUK : They still haven't got around the cramped 747 economy experience. Didn't SQ rebuff Boeing's offer for 748s for this reason?
62 Zvezda : I think SQ's failure to buy the 747-8 SuperJumbo has more to do with already having WhaleJets on order and having invested a lot of marketing money p
63 EbbUK : So you see it as a failure to buy the 747-8 and not a rejection by SQ? Marketing money is rarely in excess of 10 million for a particular bird, hardl
64 Zvezda : In 2001, when SQ bought their WhaleJets, that was a reasonable decision based on the information available at the time. I might even go out on a limb
65 Post contains links Leelaw : "Boeing putting the fun back in flying" http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/300374_boeing19.html
66 Zeke : Couple of points ... The 747 is an an old product, no general passenger knows the difference between a 747-200/3/4/8 SQ have said that the 747-8i has
67 BoomBoom : Then why did LH order 20 of them?
68 Zeke : See their press release, I have no inside information.
69 Stitch : If Airbus can sell the A388 on pure promises (because they had nothing other then computer models based on optimum data points), then I believe Boein
70 BoomBoom : Then how do you know: Did LH get fooled? From their press release:
71 Zippyjet : True,but it's still cool to at least see a prototype: You get to see the lights, window shapes.
72 AerospaceFan : It depends on the "general passenger", I think. If it's a general business passenger, I think that the rule is that he tends to be "savvy". A premium
73 Post contains links and images Zippyjet : Didn't get the chance to post these earlier; The actual airline interiors were not too far off and, dig those ancient fashions and back in the 50's,
74 Post contains links and images B777A340Fan : Here are additional pictures that I found on this website: VG Nett Here are couple examples: Note: These photos are courtesy of VG Nett and Boeing
75 Post contains images BoomBoom : Love the Jackie Kenney look alike in pink.
76 Vasu : I love the small amounts of hand luggage shown in the old 707 picture!
77 AerospaceFan : You've got to love how everyone is all dressed up in those 707 pictures. Flying used to be different. However, there is quite a difference between the
78 Post contains images ORDRyan28 : I honestly could not tell ya, but I prefer the "strip bar" style.
79 BoomBoom : I would dress up now days if they would give me that much room. Hot food would be nice too.
80 AerospaceFan : The 707's interior does look like all-Business Class by today's standards, doesn't it?
81 Post contains images Zippyjet : As a kid, I remember we had to dress up to fly which even back in the pre-hippie era portion of the 60s. Especially when flying to and from Miami in
82 MD-90 : So does Superfly.
83 Post contains images ORDRyan28 : Great photos, Zippyjet! I second those!
84 Post contains images Ikramerica : Put the women in the third picture into the outfits of the first two pictures, and you'd be singing a different tune...
85 Post contains images LHStarAlliance : Nice Pics!
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