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Fedex Chooses ST Aerospace For B757 Conversions  
User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25416 posts, RR: 49
Posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3903 times:

ST Mobile Aerospace has won a 7 year contact to convert 87 Boeing 757-200s into freighters on behalf of Fedex.

http://www.staero.aero/www/newsevent...sarticle.asp?newsid=OTAwMDAwMDA5OA


From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
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User currently offlineJupiter2 From Australia, joined Jan 2001, 899 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 3889 times:

Has the question as to where Fedex are going to get 87 757's been answered yet ??

RL


User currently offlineEraugrad02 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 3878 times:

Wonder if fedex will ever put winglets on these.


Desmond MacRae in ILM
User currently offlineBHMBAGLOCK From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 3825 times:

If NG/Airbus win any of the USAF tanker contract it would be pretty interesting to see this activity and the KC-30 assembly/conversion all taking place at the same airport.


Where are all of my respected members going?
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16282 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 3815 times:

Quoting Jupiter2 (Reply 1):
Has the question as to where Fedex are going to get 87 757's been answered yet ??

Good question! The original Fedex press release was for 90 752F's to be acquired/converted. The adjustment to 87 suggests a source(s) has been found.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineCrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1916 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 3788 times:

As for winglets and even know FedEx has money to "burn", the utilization rate of FedEx a/c vs. passenger a/c is quite low. With a passenger a/c, the additional winglet cost is amortized over a shorter period because of the much higher utilization. It will take much longer with FedEx's lower utilzation rates to pay off the additional investment. That is not to say FedEx will do it anyway, but I am talking from an economic standpoint.

User currently offlineGraphic From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 3734 times:

Quoting Crownvic (Reply 5):

FedEx isn't an airline, they are a shipping/freight company that does a portion of their business with airplanes. FedEx's overal operation (ground transit, Kinkos/FedEx, etc) would probably amortize the investment alot quicker than an airline flying pax around would.


User currently offlineTommytoyz From Tonga, joined Jan 2007, 1353 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 3688 times:

Quoting Graphic (Reply 6):
FedEx isn't an airline

FEDEX is an airline. Just ask the FAA. They have scheduled flights carrying commercial cargo. Granted FEDEX has other businesses like Kinkos unrelated to airlines, but the do have an airline certificate. FAA Certificate Number FDEA140A, operating 400 jet aircraft.

Got to be accurate, IMHO.

As to the spirit of your post, the vast majority of revenues derived by the FEDEX Corporation is derived from the airline business and not ground transport or photocopy services, etc....


User currently offlineJonathan-l From France, joined Mar 2002, 504 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 3647 times:

Quoting Tommytoyz (Reply 7):
the vast majority of revenues derived by the FEDEX Corporation is derived from the airline business and not ground transport

Can the ground transport and airline really be separated when accounting for revenue? As an integrator, FDX differentiates itself from a general cargo airline because it goes and picks up its parcels with a truck to bring them at the airport and then redelivers it to the recipient with a truck. Without the truck, Fedex would be a totally different business.


User currently offlineCosmicCruiser From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2255 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3554 times:

Quoting Crownvic (Reply 5):
the utilization rate of FedEx a/c vs. passenger a/c is quite low.

Granted, years ago the jet flew to a city and sat all day then flew back. Not true anymore though. We sometimes gripe that maint doesn't have the time the need because the jets are constantly flying. For example an MD-11 will fly MEM-CDG be on the ground about 2 hours and turn right back! this is very common now. Often the outbound crew will get on the jet as the inbound crew gets off. Also an MD-11 full of freight, a large portion P1, will generate a ton more revenue than a jumbo full of pax.


Quoting Jonathan-l (Reply 8):
Without the truck, Fedex would be a totally different business.

yea, we'd be called Flying Tigers.  Wink


User currently offlineSkyexRamper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 3432 times:

Quoting Graphic (Reply 6):
FedEx isn't an airline

True....FedEx Corp is not an airline but they own an airline. It's called FedEx Express which is a part 121 operation. Their site states they have 669 airplanes.

[Edited 2007-01-19 17:23:43]

User currently offlineBlatantEcho From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1913 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 3382 times:

Cosmic, I assume P1 is priority overnight packages?


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User currently offlineCosmicCruiser From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2255 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 3329 times:

Quoting BlatantEcho (Reply 11):
Cosmic, I assume P1 is priority overnight packages?

yea, Priority 1 is the high dollar stuff. I've heard some figures on what revenue a loaded int'l MD-11 flight generates and it's impressive. But then there's other cargo categories that demand high fees as well.


User currently offlineGraphic From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 3311 times:

Quoting Tommytoyz (Reply 7):
FEDEX is an airline.

In paperwork only. They do not operate as fixed a schedule as passenger airlines do, they don't have to fly all day with their airplanes to make money because packages don't demand x number of frequencies per hour, they go when the plane goes, as such, the plane can sit around all day and let the bags pile up in the hold, then go out full. (Ok, I know they don't do it that way, it gets loaded all at once, but you know what I mean).

On top of that, FedEx is a freight delivery service moreso than an airline, they just happen to use airplanes to move much of their freight. They were delivering packages long before they were flying airplanes, and when the time was right, they used the airplane to compliment their business, not to rely on it. They still have a large ground network and Kinkos, so FedEx can't be considered an airline.


User currently offlineCloud4000 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 3290 times:

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 3):
If NG/Airbus win any of the USAF tanker contract it would be pretty interesting to see this activity and the KC-30 assembly/conversion all taking place at the same airport.

Airbus will never, ever win a tanker order from the USAF.



Boston, USA
User currently offlineFlyer732 From Namibia, joined Nov 1999, 1367 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 3269 times:

As an unrelated FedEx question...did FedEx recently start serving Cairo? I'd never seen them before but in my past two trips through there I've seen an MD-11 parked remote....any ideas?

User currently offlineAviationAddict From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 621 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 3215 times:
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Quoting Graphic (Reply 6):
FedEx isn't an airline

I worked for FedEx for a bit and I have to say you're very wrong. The company considers itself to be an airline first and foremost, we just carry boxes, not people. The trucks and ground stations are all there to help feed the airline service, not the other way around. All FedEx employees also get travel benefits just like employees of other airlines. And, if that doesn't convince you, just ask the FAA, as Tommytoyz suggested.

[Edited 2007-01-19 19:32:10]

User currently offlineAogdesk From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 935 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 3182 times:

Graphic,

Thank you for gracing us with your vast store of knowledge. I can finally sleep at night now that I know that FedEx is not an airline.

FYI, FedEx and UPS ARE airlines. They both have 121 Certificates, THATS what makes an airline, not what they fly. Your argument is as absurd as saying that WN is not an airline because they are an LCC without frills.

Theres an awful lot of expertise and knowledge on this board. A person can do themselves a favor by listening more than talking.


User currently offlineNosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 3161 times:

Quoting Graphic (Reply 13):
In paperwork only. They do not operate as fixed a schedule as passenger airlines do, they don't have to fly all day with their airplanes to make money because packages don't demand x number of frequencies per hour, they go when the plane goes, as such, the plane can sit around all day and let the bags pile up in the hold, then go out full. (Ok, I know they don't do it that way, it gets loaded all at once, but you know what I mean).

Eric, by your logic any charter based airline isn't an airline either.

Quoting Graphic (Reply 13):
They were delivering packages long before they were flying airplanes, and when the time was right, they used the airplane to compliment their business, not to rely on it.

FedEx Ground, Custom Critical, and Logistics... yes. Trick here is, FedEx purchased trucking lines to compliment their airside services, not to mention make more money.
Federal Express History
Smith buys controlling interest in Arkansas Aviation Sales- 1971
Federal Express Incorporated- 1971
1st flight- 1973
Caliber Corp (RPS, Viking) acquired 1998 (marks the establishment of FedEx Corp)
Passport Transport, TowerGroup, World Tariff Ltd all acquired- 2000
American Freightways acquired- 2001
Caribbean Transportation Services acquired- 2003
Kinkos acquired- 2004
Ergo, if you're talking about FedEx Corp, you're right; it is no airline, but it manages one- FedEx Express. What FedEx corp is trying to achieve is ever increasing "integration" between various methods of delivery.

Quoting CosmicCruiser (Reply 9):
yea, we'd be called Flying Tigers.

Bought by FedEx in 1989  Wink

Quoting Jonathan-l (Reply 8):
Can the ground transport and airline really be separated when accounting for revenue?

Shouldn't it be sperated, by law, for accounting purposes? Seriously, I have no idea.


User currently offlineSmashme33 From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 3148 times:

Will these conversions be done at KBFM? I used to rent a 152 there and was always impressed will all the big FedEx movement there. If I remember correctly, there were 727's and I think MD-11's there for conversion. Correct me if I am wrong.

User currently offlineBHMBAGLOCK From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2990 times:

Quoting Smashme33 (Reply 19):
Will these conversions be done at KBFM? I used to rent a 152 there and was always impressed will all the big FedEx movement there. If I remember correctly, there were 727's and I think MD-11's there for conversion. Correct me if I am wrong.

I'm not absolutely sure about the previous conversions but these will be done at Brookley per the ST Aero website.



Where are all of my respected members going?
User currently offlineSkyexRamper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2982 times:

Quoting Graphic (Reply 13):
they don't have to fly all day with their airplanes to make money because packages don't demand x number of frequencies per hour

An airline doesn't mean they fly all day...it's the flight times and routings that the airline chooses. A passenger airline could only have 3 flights per day per airline...but it wouldn't be cost effective. Fedex operates on a set schedule, just not to the scale of a passenger airline.


User currently offlineLucky42 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2969 times:

Quoting Graphic (Reply 13):
They were delivering packages long before they were flying airplanes

I don't know where you get your twisted logic from...Your arguement actually has more merit for UPS than FedEx. UPS is a far larger ground operator than FedEx. But FedEx has always been flying airplanes from day one. Like the other posters have said here thay operate under a 121 operating cert. Same rules and regs apply to them as they do to the pax carriers. Being a UND student you might want to get a little education on what you perceive to be a real airline or not. Bottom line UPS and FedEx are AIRLINES they just dont carry pax.


User currently offlineAogdesk From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 935 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2924 times:

Graphic, google Fred Smith  Smile

User currently offlineCrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1916 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2874 times:

CosmicCruiser...Your comparing "apples to oranges"...Granted, an international flight with a FDX MD-11 will have a much higher utilization rate, but I am talking about their domestic fleet where the 757 will serve. Although the current daily use of FDX a/c is definitely more than it use to be, there are still many airports that I see FDX equipment "resting" during the day and there is no way you can say a domestic package/freight operator uses it's a/c comparable to a passenger carrier.

25 Post contains links and images Tjwgrr : Looks good- wonder if they'll end up with RR or PW powerplants? Modified Airliner Photos: Design © EDINEY Template © IAH SPOTTERS
26 MEA-707 : looking at the current 757 operators, there are many aircraft which are likely to become available in the next 5 years. I am sure FedEx is already in
27 CosmicCruiser : I didn't realize you were speaking of ONLY one theatre, just domestic. However looking at the whole package it's not apples and oranges since the wor
28 Cf6ppe : The subject aircraft will be most likely acquired from aircraft leasing companies. Note: Most airline operated aircraft are owned by leasing companie
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