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UA New Int'l Routes: Where Are The Ac Coming From?  
User currently offlineSkycruiser From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 53 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 9334 times:

Recently, UA has announced the following and loaded into schedules already:

SFO-TPE 744 daily
IAD-FCO 772 daily
SFO-FRA 772 daily (additional frequency)
SFO-HKG 772 3x/wk
ORD-PVG 744 daily (equipment upgrade)

and...
IAD-PEK 744 daily (not yet loaded)

I thought that UA did not have too many spare widebodies lying around. These new routes require at least 10 airframes. Where are these planes coming from? Are these aircraft in storage? Does anyboy have info on UA's aircraft utilization?

Thanks!

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User currently offlineADiZzy From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 9286 times:

I would say that they are coming from the dessert!

User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7688 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9156 times:

Once again we (LAX) get passed up.  Sad


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User currently offlineSkyCruiser From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9080 times:

LAXDude,

LAX gets seasonal additional frequency on LAX-LHR with 763... not like the routes of the mid-90s though...


User currently offlinePlanetime From Singapore, joined Mar 2006, 719 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9055 times:

Quoting Skycruiser (Thread starter):
I thought that UA did not have too many spare widebodies lying around. These new routes require at least 10 airframes. Where are these planes coming from? Are these aircraft in storage? Does anyboy have info on UA's aircraft utilization?

Also there is a SYD-LAX flight that they add additional during the Southern Summer.

Maybe they might take them from the desert.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31119 posts, RR: 85
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9057 times:
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Quoting Skycruiser (Thread starter):
Where are these planes coming from?

UA will be reducing the domestic hub-to-hub positioning flights and re-scheduling to allow the planes to arrive from one international destination and then depart for the next one.

Quoting ADiZzy (Reply 1):
I would say that they are coming from the dessert!

UA has no 777 equipment in the desert and the only 744s there, while in UA colors, are no longer owned by UA and cannot be directly returned to service.


User currently offlineWarreng24 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8983 times:

Does UA currently have any 763 or 763ER's parked? If any are parked, are they owned by Lessors or UA?

What was the CASM of the 762's which caused them to be retired? Or were they getting close to needing C/D checks?


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31119 posts, RR: 85
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8921 times:
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Quoting Warreng24 (Reply 6):
Does UA currently have any 763 or 763ER's parked? If any are parked, are they owned by Lessors or UA?

To my knowledge, UA has no 767-300s in the desert. They bought four (I believe) from their lessors when those lessors refused to reduce their rates and were preparing to take them back.

Quoting Warreng24 (Reply 6):
What was the CASM of the 762's which caused them to be retired? Or were they getting close to needing C/D checks?

All of UA's 767-200s were sold to another company. I can't remember if they are in revenue passenger service or were scheduled for cargo conversion.


User currently offlineFlyer732 From Namibia, joined Nov 1999, 1367 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8908 times:

I've been told that there were "extra" 744's floating around. I used to see them doing AMC charters quite frequently...but I don't know if its still the case.

User currently offlineDC8FanJet From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8716 times:

There were 747's doing military work, won't be come spring.

User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12521 posts, RR: 35
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8707 times:

Are you sure IAD-PEK is a 744? I thought it would be a 772?

User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8580 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8674 times:
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Quoting Kaitak (Reply 10):
Are you sure IAD-PEK is a 744? I thought it would be a 772?

definitely a 744 - it has been mentioned on more than one thread that by awarding the route to UA using 744s they would actually be adding more capacity between the USA and China than by awarding to either AA or CO using 772ERs and I think it was one of the points that UA focussed on in their application ( along with the "Capital city to Capital city " argument )



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User currently offlineShane From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8345 times:

Quoting Skycruiser (Thread starter):
SFO-FRA 772 daily (additional frequency)

When does this start? From what I can see on the schedule they've just replaced flight 900 which was a 744 with flight 926 which is now a 772.

[Edited 2007-01-20 00:38:24]

User currently offlineLegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2090 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8166 times:

Quoting Shane (Reply 12):
When does this start? From what I can see on the schedule they've just replaced flight 900 which was a 744 with flight 926 which is now a 772.

UA 900 will remain a 744. They are starting a second daily flight with a 777. Details as follows:
The added service, which will be on a Boeing 777, begins on April 24, 2007, is scheduled as follows:

Flight: Route: Depart: Arrive:
UA926 San Francisco- Frankfurt 6:55 p.m. 3:00 p.m. (next day)
UA927 Frankfurt-San Francisco 5:25 p.m. 7:59 p.m.(same day)
(beginning 4/25)



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User currently offlineCaliforniaMate From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8126 times:

is the 2nd SFO-HKG flight really being flown by a 772? Didnt think it could make it to HKG. Its usually (and predominantly flown by 744 by everyone else)

User currently offlineIPFreely From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7924 times:

Quoting Skycruiser (Thread starter):
Where are these planes coming from?

Maybe they know of a soon-to-be-announced intercontinental regional jet and they're planning to put these routes out for bid by Skywest, Mesa, Transstates, ShuttleAmerica, Colgan, GoJet, Republic, Chataqua, and BillyBob's Flying Service.  Smile


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7811 times:
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Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
UA has no 777 equipment in the desert and the only 744s there, while in UA colors, are no longer owned by UA and cannot be directly returned to service.

What about 3 ex-RG 772 planes with PW engines ? I believe even the 772A (non-ER) can fly IAD-FCO, am i right ?

Felipe



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25757 posts, RR: 50
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7711 times:

Quoting CaliforniaMate (Reply 14):
is the 2nd SFO-HKG flight really being flown by a 772?

Yes indeed, along with the 2nd ORD-HKG which is a 777 starting April 3rd as well.

In addition there will be a bunch of other swaps including both ORD-NRT's becoming 777s starting late March, while all 4 current China routes become 744s instead of current 2 777/ 2 744.

Finalized schedules thru June were just loaded this week.



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User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7542 times:

Quoting CaliforniaMate (Reply 14):
is the 2nd SFO-HKG flight really being flown by a 772? Didnt think it could make it to HKG. Its usually (and predominantly flown by 744 by everyone else)

SQ uses a 772ER so it can be done with a 772ER. I believe SQ has had to make some tech stops in TPE lately coz of the pacific headwinds.


User currently offlineLegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2090 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7410 times:

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 18):
SQ uses a 772ER so it can be done with a 772ER. I believe SQ has had to make some tech stops in TPE lately coz of the pacific headwinds.

If you are refering to SQ 1/2, SFO-HKG, SQ flies a 744 on the route. SQ 16/15 uses the 772 and soon to be a 773 on the SFO-INC route.



John@SFO
User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7349 times:

Quoting Legacyins (Reply 19):
If you are refering to SQ 1/2, SFO-HKG, SQ flies a 744 on the route. SQ 16/15 uses the 772 and soon to be a 773 on the SFO-INC route.

You're right. My bad. Which one has been making a tech stop in TPE lately?


User currently offlineLegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2090 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7249 times:

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 20):
Which one has been making a tech stop in TPE lately?

SQ1/2, the 744



John@SFO
User currently offlineUnited777atGU From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7065 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 17):
Yes indeed, along with the 2nd ORD-HKG which is a 777 starting April 3rd as well.

There's no way in hell that we can make ORD to HKG on a 772 (with our derated engines)....is there??? a 772ER??? Come on. That's almost 15 hours dude. Is it possible? I know JFK-NRT and IAD-NRT are pushing 14, if not 14 full-fledged, but ORD-HKG on a 772. They must plan on blocking seats. Or maybe they aren't going to be filling it up with pax and cargo... What the hell do I know? I don't. But as much as people talk about our 777s being sub-par to so many others, how would our 772s make it that far?

Don't take this as criticism. It's not. It's utter shock. By the way, if it can do it, the tech stops will be very inconveniencing for pax, no?



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User currently offlineDaron4000 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 712 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7034 times:

Actually, UA has been flying ORD-HKG 10x weekly for over a year now, all with 744 aircraft. Therefore, I disagree with what LAXintl has just said.

User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25757 posts, RR: 50
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6962 times:

Quoting Daron4000 (Reply 23):
I disagree with what LAXintl has just said.

What is there to disagree? Why not look up the schedules? The 2nd ORD-HKG becomes a 777.

ORD-HKG UA829 1027-1510+1 Nonstop B777 Tue/Thu/Sat
HKG-ORD UA828 1720-1915 Nonstop B777 Wed/Fri/Sun



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25 LTU932 : What about the two former UA 772ERs at AFW, which used to fly for RG? Anyone know who might be leasing those, because in the end, UA could just re-le
26 AF086 : Actually there are 3 ex-RG 772 at AFW. Given that at VEM/GIG's hangar there are still 2 772s (PP-VRB (777-2Q8/ER) and PP-VRF (777-222/ER) and that th
27 TinkerBelle : UA's derated 772's might not be able to do it but I believe a 772ER will do SFO-HKG with no restrictions. no??
28 LAXdude1023 : ORD-HKG on flights 829/828 are on 744's according to UA's website and their schedules.
29 Post contains images Laxintl : Look for flights past April 3rd. Hope this screen shot helps. [Edited 2007-01-20 09:29:53]
30 UnitedNRT : Laxintl is quite correct, as it is in reservations. The B777-222ER can make the flight.
31 ZKNBX : Maybe UA will refit or re-certify with engines that are not derated? Is this technically possible? I agree with much of the above, that UA's 777-222E
32 ZK-NBT : The second ORD-HKG flight appears to go back to a 744 from July. I believe it is but not without a rather large amount of $ required which may make it
33 Hiflyer : My understanding on the ex RG birds is that maintenance had been deferred on all 4 for quite a period of time. The one still in GIG is reported to hav
34 Post contains images Qantas744ER : Ok it is time to clear things up......!!! United has PW4090 engines just like KE: The PW4090 has 90,000Lbs of thrust! Compared to other engines this
35 United777atGU : That's foreign to me, but I understand your point. Now for my question which you didn't answer: Can the 772ER with MTOW 290909 and computer-derated P
36 Qantas744ER : KE's longest 777-200ER fligt must be ICN-JFK which is a good 850nm shorter than ORD-HKG. So no KE cant compare but of course KE's plane would do bett
37 LIPZ : It's about 600 miles more. United 0966 Depart: IAD 06:16 PM Arrive: FCO 08:50 AM Next day Non-stop 8h 34m Boeing 777 4,505 miles traveled
38 AirportPlan : I believe that the derating of the UA 777 engines was software based not mechanical. This was done to extend engine life. The engines can be uprated w
39 Qantas744ER : Don't you read? as i stated in my 2 posts above i explained everything about UA's 772Er's and their engines.. So again for you the PW4090 is the engi
40 Mk777 : I am hoping UA will buy some new a/cs and start IAD-DEL/BOM service. I am not very sure how AA, CO and DL are doing with their non-stop service but iv
41 Daron4000 : I apologize, Laxintl for my mistake. When I checked, it showed 2 744 but now it doesnt. That's .bomb for you. Cheers
42 FL370 : airlines are good with moving plane around, im amazed on how they do that without or little effect on the domestic schedule. though its good to hear t
43 United777atGU : Thanks mate for great clarification. So, hopefully no tech stops. UA would have done better to get better engines... I regret it for them. 777 is a g
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