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New US Airways Co-mingle Fleets.  
User currently offlineMDW22L31C From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 212 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 6568 times:

Has US Airways moving any aircraft West to Phoenix or Las Vegas hubs or has any HP aircraft moved East as needed.



Does US have any flight that fly from a east or west coast hub then continue on, like PHL-PHX-LAX or PHX-PHL-BOS

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User currently offlineRolo987 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 293 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 6529 times:

I believe that HP is operating the PHL-PDX route.

User currently offlineHiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2165 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 6466 times:

I am not sure that USAir has merged the two operating certificates as yet...until that is done I believe the fleets are still handled by their own respective dispatchers and pilots.

User currently offlineNecigrad From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 6407 times:

Yes they're playing with the routes. Here in LAS US has picked up quite a few of the night flights. It varies based on where the aircraft are needed. The catch is, as said by someone else, that it's still two airlines. US can fly HP routes, and vice versa, but the US aircraft must be US flight crews, US flight attendants, US authorised ground crews, etc...

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 6419 times:

Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 2):
I am not sure that USAir has merged the two operating certificates as yet...until that is done I believe the fleets are still handled by their own respective dispatchers and pilots.

Does anyone know when this will happen? What is the cause of the delay in putting both fleets under one operating certificate?



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User currently offlineBrettFromCLT From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 6384 times:

We see quite a few HP birds in CLT.

User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 6358 times:

The schedule out of PHX shows some PHX-SAN flights 1551 and 1509 are operated under the US code and since one flight is a 321 I'm guessing that these flights are operated by US/East. Unitil the first of the year they had a US/East operate a PHX/DEN service also.

User currently offlineKRIC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 279 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 6319 times:
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Mesa is operating US Airways Express flights between RIC and CLT....in HP colors.

User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8893 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 6304 times:

PHX routes operated by US-East aircraft for today:

SAN (3x 321, 320)
MIA (319)
MSP (320)
DFW (319)
IAD (320)
SEA (320)
LAX (319)

Plus hub flights to CLT (4x 321, 320), PHL (3x 321, 319) and PIT (319, 320)

LAS routes operated by US-East aircraft for today:

FLL (320)
RDU (319)
BOS (319)
MIA (319)

Plus hub flights to CLT (5x 757), PHL (5x 757), PIT (2x 757).


User currently offlineChrisA330 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 630 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 6282 times:

I believe in order to merge the AOC's one of the pre-requisites (among many others) is to merge each bargaining group together under 1 collective bargaining agreement.

Only a few unions have come to agreement on a merged CBA.


User currently offlineAvi8tir From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 6272 times:
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I was up the other night around SMF and heard "cactus" on the radio. I was wondering when they would switch everything over to us airways' call sign.


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User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3384 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 6272 times:

Only 5 US-west aircraft a day in PHL
PHX 2x
PDX 1x
SAN 1x
LAS 1x


User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6709 posts, RR: 32
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 6250 times:

Quoting Avi8tir (Reply 10):
I was wondering when they would switch everything over to us airways' call sign.

Only once the operating certificates are merged, which probably will be unlikely to happen until the company irons out pay and benefits issues with the separate work groups.


User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3384 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 6217 times:

US East aircraft also operating 1 SAN-MCI flt, today's routing was RDU-PHL-SAN-MCI

User currently offlineAsuflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 6108 times:

Off topic but does anyone know why HP have many flights arriving at 2-4am.

User currently offlineHawaiian717 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3188 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 6028 times:

Quoting Asuflyer (Reply 14):
Off topic but does anyone know why HP have many flights arriving at 2-4am.

HP for several years has had a late night hub in LAS, with many flights departing around 11:55pm.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 6):
The schedule out of PHX shows some PHX-SAN flights 1551 and 1509 are operated under the US code and since one flight is a 321 I'm guessing that these flights are operated by US/East.

SAN seems to be one of the more integrated stations. The kiosks have been combined and so all the kiosks can handle both HP and US flights. CSAs seem to be able to handle both airlines.

I believe when US/East first started operating PHX-SAN flights it was to gain more utilization out of aircraft that were otherwise sitting around PHX waiting to return to an East hub. These days some flights will go back to PHX while others will turn to an East hub, so I guess it's all just scheduling trying to get the most use out of the aircraft.

Quoting KRIC777 (Reply 7):
Mesa is operating US Airways Express flights between RIC and CLT....in HP colors.

All Mesa flights fall under the America West Express contract; Mesa Airlines is no longer a US Airways Express airline (though I believe Mesa subsidiary Air Midwest still is). Several of the CRJ-900s were moved to CLT into traditionally East routes because thats where they were needed. Not all have been repainted.

Quoting Rolo987 (Reply 1):
I believe that HP is operating the PHL-PDX route.

I believe this was done because PDX was not a US station but was an HP one.


User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 6028 times:

Quoting ScottB (Reply 12):
Only once the operating certificates are merged, which probably will be unlikely to happen until the company irons out pay and benefits issues with the separate work groups.

The operating certs are scheduled to be merged in April. They stated they have no problem running 1 airline with separate work contracts....the FA's are already being trained on each other's aircraft.


User currently offlineGift4tbone From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 5992 times:

The combined call sign will not be US Air, it will be Cactus for both east and west.

-Tony@PVD



Top 3 airports: PVD 26.0%(115 flights), PHL 15.6%(69 flights), PHX 12.0%(53 flights)
User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24813 posts, RR: 46
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 5714 times:

Quoting Gift4tbone (Reply 17):
The combined call sign will not be US Air, it will be Cactus for both east and west.

Has this changed recently?

Per Flight Ops news update during the late fall it was stated that while the company had wished to maintain the "Cactus" callsign, this was denied by FAA/ICAO due to similar callsign/radio telephony pronunciation conflict in some other regions of the world.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8661 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 5690 times:

I know the following info for US:

US east has permission to run 4x 321's from PHX-SAN.

All F/A's are to be trained on each others a/c.

The cactus call sign will remain.

MCOflyer



Never be afraid to stand up for who you are.
User currently offlineHawaiian717 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3188 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week ago) and read 5648 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 20):
US east has permission to run 4x 321's from PHX-SAN.

I assume that means up to A321, because we've also gotten A319 and A320. I did one SAN-PHX segment on an east A320.


User currently offlineGift4tbone From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4989 times:

The computer systems will merge the first or second weekend of march.

The flight cert. will merge sometime in April, thats all I know, but once the cert. in merged you may see west pilots/east FAs or visa versa on many flights, or a combo within the cockpit/cabin. Now we shall really see how well the two employee groups get along.

-Tony@PVD



Top 3 airports: PVD 26.0%(115 flights), PHL 15.6%(69 flights), PHX 12.0%(53 flights)
User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8661 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4010 times:

Quoting Hawaiian717 (Reply 21):
I assume that means up to A321, because we've also gotten A319 and A320. I did one SAN-PHX segment on an east A320.

An a-netter (I think it was HPramper) told me that.

I know for sure MCO is an integrated station. The HP planes park at B gates now instead of A.

MCOflyer



Never be afraid to stand up for who you are.
User currently offlineFunflyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 866 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3369 times:

Monday through Friday we get an HP Express CRJ-900 at MHT to PHL or CLT I can't remember at the moment. But they are operated by Mesa Airlines with there crew. So no Mainline HP. And not alot of mainline US. I think 3 in and 3 out daily.


Who cares about status?
User currently offlineUSFlyer MSP From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3355 times:

I think the most interesting example is JFK-CLT which is operated as HP Express from JFK to CLT with a US codeshare and US Express from CLT - JFK with and HP codeshare. This is due to US having no staff at JFK and HP having no staff at CLT.

25 Charliejag1 : Correct April, as stated above.
26 N1120A : Yes The airlines have two very different work groups and two very different histories in the recent past that have made merging the certificates diff
27 Ca2ohHP : Partly, it's because JFK is equipped with SHARES computer system, and not the East's SABRE. That will disappear in March with the res integration.
28 Flyboyaz : Hopefully no cat fights! hehe The customer service group is doing a buddy up with cities on the east and west coast. Each city is being assigned a ci
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