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Two Men Survive Plane Belly Landing (VIDEO)  
User currently offlineDec From Greece, joined Aug 2005, 616 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 10262 times:

A twin-engine plane made a belly landing at Arlington Municipal Airport, Texas, late today after apparently having landing gear problems. Both men on board quickly slipped out of the plane. (...)

More, along with the video, at:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4819d4f73d


DEC
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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6161 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 10217 times:

Excellent landing and great piloting.

ASLAX



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User currently offlineDeC From Greece, joined Aug 2005, 616 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 10208 times:

Indeed. Did you see the firemen shaking hands with them after they exit the plane?  Wink


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User currently offlineStillageek From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 10212 times:

I am a Instrument pilot working on my Commercial at GKY. The flight school that owns the plane is one of the more "questionable" schools at the airport. This is not their first gear up landing. The planes have had engine failures in the pattern and are known for leaving the gear down while doing pattern work. Not that it's a bad thing, but it's odd. As though they don't have faith in the plane? I train in a Piper Seminole and while doing pattern work we went thru full checklist. My wife called me yesterday and told me about this incident. I rushed to the airport to watch. He did an awesome job. As a footnote it was the students first time in the plane. Notice at the end he forgot an item that is on my checklist which is to shut off the power after landing.

[Edited 2007-01-21 01:25:27]

User currently offlineDeC From Greece, joined Aug 2005, 616 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 10198 times:

Ah, really? Awesome work. So this is why he rushed back to the plane just as he got out of it..! Isn't that too dangerous though? I generally noticed that everyone remained very close to the aircraft just after the belly one, wasn't there a risk of late-ignited fire or something?


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User currently offlineBlackbird1331 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1894 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 10105 times:

Another rush-to-judgement. He landed and did a good job as we see it as a crash landing. If he screwed up, that should be for the NTSB and the FAA to decide.


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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8683 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 10082 times:

Quoting Blackbird1331 (Reply 5):

Agreed.

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 10078 times:

I watched this live on KXAS Channel 5 yesterday, and the running commentary from their helicopter pilot Ken Arnold was refreshingly no nonsense and accurate in its descriptions of what was happening and why.

The only painful thing was listening to the two anchors taking turns asking some dumb questions as they sought to fill :45 of airtime awaiting the actual landing.

Quoting DeC (Reply 4):
So this is why he rushed back to the plane just as he got out of it..! Isn't that too dangerous though?

He apparently forgot to cut the power off before he egressed. It might have been a brief calculated risk to hop back in long enough to cut the switches, but doing so reduced overall risk by not having an active electrical system as a potential ignition source in case there was an actual fuel leak.

The pilot said during a later interview on WFAA Channel 8 that he didn't want to stay airborne another 2-3 hours to burn off fuel since that would have had them landing after dark, which he didn't want to do under the circumstances.

Sounds like sound decisionmaking all the way around....

[Edited 2007-01-21 02:27:13]

User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 10027 times:

Wow cool stuff, lucky guys  Smile



Lee



Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own
User currently offlineBatonOps From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 750 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 9979 times:

Fantastic landing.  Smile

User currently offlineThePinnacleKid From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 725 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 9790 times:

Stillageek is correct guys... this isn't a rush to judgement.. He knows first hand as do I... This flight school in question is itself VERY questionable. I trained at Arlington and then instructed at Arlington and I can't count the number of times they have had issues with their aircraft. Furthermore, it used to be an ongoing joke at the fact they would often land with a dead engine, taxi off, and mx would have to come out and tow the plane back to their ramp... I'm shocked that (A) they haven't been shut down or investigated and (B) they haven't had something more severe with much worse outcome for the pilots.... While this instructor I'm confident really is a good pilot... and he did a great job... he should get hazardous duty pay for flying those things....

On a side note, Arlington, up until recently (Sept. '06) was an uncontrolled field and these guys were always jerks in the pattern... They tried to cut everyone off, made horrible radio calls when they did make them... their radios are always in bad shape and are almost impossible to make out when they do try to use them... its just bad...



Hey DB! How's stuff goin at the place? Like all the new instructors there now? I keep in touch with SJ when I can... hear he likes it over at pinnacle... i'm lovin' the XJT... hope all is well and you're doin' alright... safe flyin! Tell everyone I say hi!

CH



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User currently offlineLegacy135 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1052 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 9633 times:

Quoting DeC (Reply 4):
Ah, really? Awesome work. So this is why he rushed back to the plane just as he got out of it..! Isn't that too dangerous though? I generally noticed that everyone remained very close to the aircraft just after the belly one, wasn't there a risk of late-ignited fire or something?

Do it better first! The guys landed the plane safely, with minor damage. Not even the propellers seem to be damaged. This landing is well done, having the beacon (and with this the master) still on is something many other great pilots forgot already as well.
Did you never forget to turn of the lights in your home or on your car?

Cheers
Legacy135 Wink


User currently offlineDeC From Greece, joined Aug 2005, 616 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9449 times:

I didn't say they didn't land the plane perfectly, the contrary! They did an amazing job for sure. What i was wondering about is that they stayed very close to the aircraft after they got out, wasn't there a danger of a fire or something, even if it wasn't ignited initially?


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User currently offlinePilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9431 times:

Quoting DeC (Reply 12):
didn't say they didn't land the plane perfectly, the contrary! They did an amazing job for sure. What i was wondering about is that they stayed very close to the aircraft after they got out, wasn't there a danger of a fire or something, even if it wasn't ignited initially?

you guys are making a mistake...this person is asking a question, which means he is trying to learn something from others and possibly just get a discussion going, this isn't the same as the arm chair experts who TELL us what something is...

everyone needs to be more detailed when they read and write stuff



The only time there is too much fuel onboard, is when you're on fire!
User currently offlineDeC From Greece, joined Aug 2005, 616 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9349 times:

Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 13):
you guys are making a mistake...this person is asking a question, which means he is trying to learn something from others and possibly just get a discussion going, this isn't the same as the arm chair experts who TELL us what something is...

everyone needs to be more detailed when they read and write stuff

Yeah, thanks a lot my friend 'cause nowadays it seems than even more and more people are switching to the 'attack' mode before reading, thinking or trying to understand first.



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User currently offlineSWAOPSusafATC From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9243 times:

Quoting DeC (Reply 14):
Yeah, thanks a lot my friend 'cause nowadays it seems than even more and more people are switching to the 'attack' mode before reading, thinking or trying to understand first

That's because most people on hear think they can do it better faster and more thorough then the next guy, even if they only fly MSFS.

To those: Until you have been there don't criticize others. It is getting really old.


User currently offlineSkyexRamper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8345 times:

Well that pilot needs to learn a few rules of thumb when doing an emgerency landing. Turn off everything quickly, then get out of the airplane and stay away! Big grin  Wink

User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8158 times:
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Quoting SkyexRamper (Reply 16):
Well that pilot needs to learn a few rules of thumb when doing an emgerency landing. Turn off everything quickly, then get out of the airplane and stay away!

Yeah the emerg. procedures could probably use some work.

I can't argue with the outcome however.....

I wonder if the attach point for the step (it's holding up the rear fuselage) will need some sheet metal work.....



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User currently offline53Sqdn From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8158 times:

There was a similar incident recently in the USA. A video link was supplied. I've lost the link. Can anyone help with the link. Thanks.

User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3705 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8158 times:
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Quoting SkyexRamper (Reply 16):
Well that pilot needs to learn a few rules of thumb when doing an emgerency landing. Turn off everything quickly, then get out of the airplane and stay away!

True. I like how they cracked the door while on final. They got most of it right. I remember when Auggie retired at AL and was flying with George Velguth (IIRC) and when they came in they shut the plane down, but left the packs running along with all the beacons. Mistakes happen.



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User currently offlineDon81603 From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 1185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7505 times:

Quoting AS739X (Reply 1):
Excellent landing and great piloting.

kudos for keeping it on the runway, and it a fairly straight line. I bet the upholstery needs to be cleaned, though.



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User currently offlineJcf5002 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 289 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7238 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 19):
I like how they cracked the door while on final. They got most of it right.

Yeah, my instructor always told me to do that whenever I had an emergency landing to prevent it from getting jamed if the fuselauge warped or crumpled. Very textbook landing and, apart from the forgetting the master and staying near the aircraft, nearly a textbook execution.

Personally, if I had just belly landed a plane with a bunch of 100LL in it, I'd be scooting my flamable butt a good distance away!

-Jeff



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User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7111 times:

Quoting Legacy135 (Reply 11):
Not even the propellers seem to be damaged.

Yeah, thats kinda unheard of, a belly landing with a prop and not bending
the blades.....That guy should now be giving lectures and talks on wheels-up landings to private pilots everywhere....
WELL DONE.
safe



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User currently offlineBlackbird1331 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1894 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6604 times:

I am just asking. Have any of the above posters who are critical of that flying school ever file a report with the FAA?


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User currently offlineKPWMSpotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 448 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6445 times:

I was wondering why they had opened the doors, and the reason given does make sense now that I think about it.

...And while they did great in getting the plane to the ground, I really think that their post-crash procedures could use some work. Even though missing the electrical masters on the way out is common, flicking those switches does go a long way towards preventing a ground fire or other complications. Also, while they seemed in a great rush to get away to start with, they were putting themselves back into potential danger when they immediately strayed forward to inspect the nose and props...



I reject your reality and substitute my own...
25 DeC : Thanks for explaining why they opened the doors prior to landing!
26 Phishphan70 : some great, cool hands behind the controls on that one. great seat of your pants landing!!!
27 Zeke : I have never been a fan of shutting down engines in such cases, if the prop goes vertical on one side it can dig in on landing causing more problems
28 Post contains images EmSeeEye : If I remember correctly doesnt the Baron have fuel bladders? Whats with the armchair criticism here? No engines running, the plane is at a full stop
29 Post contains images Legacy135 : Zeke is right. First of all we need to save our lives, the aircraft is (or should be) covered by insurance. If I go to think about the whole thing an
30 ThePinnacleKid : Nope, that I haven't, not sure if anyone else has or has not... I've only viewed from afar and laughed at the crazy things I've seen (all the single
31 Blackbird1331 : PinnacleKid: Thank you for speaking up. All aviators start at the GA level. As an aviator, and one who wants to promote aviation, I would report any i
32 SkyexRamper : HAHAHHA..nice.
33 ThePinnacleKid : I don't think you'll have to worry about this flight school too much... After a nice incident like this I'm sure they'll get a nice review of their m
34 Stylo777 : great job the pilot did! . .
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