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DL: JAX-PNS Ending  
User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32732 posts, RR: 72
Posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2523 times:

Not that many people here will care, but Delta Connection's daily Jacksonville-Pensacola flight (which never made sense, at least to me, in the first place) is being discontinued. The last day is 2 April 2007.


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User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2479 times:

Totally ridiculous route. Surely it was a money loser. Good to see it is ending.


The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2471 times:

Good nonrev leg, but otherwise a total money loser. Loads are usually no more than 30 seats, which won't break even on a CRJ unless those tickets are full Y fares.

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3267 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2465 times:

Too bad they gave up on the route before US came to save the day!  Smile


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User currently offlineAmtrakGuy From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 500 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2417 times:

What's the average fare for DL's JAX-PNS?

If Southwest open PNS Station, I'll bet you they'll fly JAX-PNS with a good load at low and reasonable fares. Look how they're doing well with JAX-FLL and JAX-TPA. Don't think they fly to MCO from JAX.


User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2285 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2414 times:

no surprise with that one, I was surprised they even started it in the first place. On another note, when did DL drop CVG-PNS again? I know it was restarted last year but I don't see it in the schedules anymore. Is there even any flights from CVG to the Florida panhandle anymore? At one time they had flights to PNS, VPS and PFN. Now it looks like everything to that region is funneled through ATL.

User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6606 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2276 times:

No surprise really. Given the short nature of this route, the biggest competitor was the car. DL's fares were too high and most people stayed with their vehicles.

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 5):
On another note, when did DL drop CVG-PNS again?

It was dropped back in December. As of now, none of the Gulf Coast airports between JAX and MSY have CVG service.

I think it could come back this summer, but who knows with DL and CVG.


User currently offlineFlyibaby From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2207 times:

I'm sure that it was created to entice alot of military traffic between the naval bases at JAX and PNS

User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2169 times:

Does Southwest still fly to JAX from Orlando? I recall in the past seeing a one-stop when searching for an airfare, it was ORF-JAX-MCO. I might be mistaken.

User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2164 times:

Also, is the WN MCO-TPA flight still operating, or was that DL Express?

User currently offlineDanairbus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2121 times:

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 8):
ORF-JAX-MCO



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 8):
MCO-TPA

You cant book either flights non-stop on southwest.com. So most likely they do not operate those flights.


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2096 times:

PNS-JAX didn't even last seven months. Back in June I posted that this route wouldn't work, because PNS-JAX had nothing in common except for the Navy. People disagreed with me, but I guess that going east-west; people there are just used to driving.

User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2008 times:

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 9):
Also, is the WN MCO-TPA flight still operating, or was that DL Express?

Chris, it was DLX...I miss those short but sweet 732 runs- that leg was useful as it was an a/c repo for alot of the TPA flights DL had.

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 3):
Too bad they gave up on the route before US came to save the day!

You mean, before UselessAir comes to try to wreck DL's recovery?

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineExpressJet_ERJ From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 834 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1990 times:

I think TPA-MCO is a route that someone should try again. maybe on a Dash 8 or similar. A CRJ or ERJ wouldnt work, but I know there are a ton of commuters in the TPA area that work in MCO or vise versa. I4 is aweful.


ETOPS...Engines Turn Or People Swim
User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1956 times:

Quoting ExpressJet_ERJ (Reply 13):
I think TPA-MCO is a route that someone should try again.

Didn't America West operate a 757 on this route. LAS-TPA-MCO-PHX in the 1980's. Back to the question beside repostioning aircraft no one is going to make $$ flying that route, and by the time to drive to the airport, check-in, security, one would probably be able to drive the distance twice.


User currently offlineFLIGHTDECK787 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1899 times:

DL will also be giving the axe to MKE-SLC -- currently being oeprated by OO CR9. It will soon be an EV CR7 then come APR it goes away. This is too bad , obviously not making enough $$.

User currently offlineOOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1466 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1820 times:

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 8):
Does Southwest still fly to JAX from Orlando?



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 9):
Also, is the WN MCO-TPA flight still operating

WN only has 2 intra-florida routes from MCO.

MCO-FLL
MCO-RSW


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1785 times:

Quoting ExpressJet_ERJ (Reply 13):
I think TPA-MCO is a route that someone should try again. maybe on a Dash 8 or similar. A CRJ or ERJ wouldnt work, but I know there are a ton of commuters in the TPA area that work in MCO or vise versa. I4 is aweful.

I4 may be aweful, but there are plenty of things being done to improve traffic flow on I4, like the toll road around Lakeland, or widening to 3 lanes per direction throughout the entire Orlando area, and once traffic flow improves in Orlando, traffic flow between Tampa and Orlando will improve as well. No real need to waste an airplane on this route.


User currently offlinePositiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1735 times:

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 2):
Loads are usually no more than 30 seats, which won't break even on a CRJ unless those tickets are full Y fares.

30 seats on a 45 seat RJ seems pretty full to me...


User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3412 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1727 times:

A large chunk of the Navy ties this route might have served will disappear in the future when they move Navy OCS back to Newport, RI (according to the last BRAC).

User currently offlinePensacolaguy From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 546 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1653 times:

Route lasted longer then predicted. Not the end of the world axing this route.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 11):
PNS-JAX didn't even last seven months

Seven Months! Is still a long time...Better then say a month..


User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3267 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 1559 times:

Quoting AirCop (Reply 14):
Didn't America West operate a 757 on this route. LAS-TPA-MCO-PHX in the 1980's.

Yes they did, but it was in the early 1990s....I believe as late as 1994.



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User currently offlineClrd4t8koff From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 1551 times:

Quoting ExpressJet_ERJ (Reply 13):
I think TPA-MCO is a route that someone should try again. maybe on a Dash 8 or similar. A CRJ or ERJ wouldnt work, but I know there are a ton of commuters in the TPA area that work in MCO or vise versa. I4 is aweful.

Having lived in both Tampa and now Orlando, I can tell you it's a fairly quick drive between the two cities....maybe 1hr15mins at most. Yes, as you come into each city you hit a little traffic, but the most it's ever taken me is 1hr30mins. When looking at the way air travel is set up (check in 45mins-1hour before departure), 25 mins flight, taxi to gate, deplane and get rental car, it would actually take longer to fly then to just drive it.


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8897 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 1540 times:

If any form of transportation needs to be considered between Orlando and Tampa, air travel is not the way to do it. MCO is essentially in the Southwest corner of the city (a good 10-15 minutes off of I-4 if traffic is good), which hurts it's cause. Really, the only two viable methods are expand I-4 (which is being done) and working on a frequent train service between the two cities - there's a train line that basically runs parallel to I-4; make it double track if necessary, get running speeds up to about 110 mph, and have limited stops (Orlando, Kissimmee, Lakeland, Tampa, maybe a few other stops); make it so that run time between the two cities is no more than 90 minutes or so, and with frequent service, the train should be a viable competitor.

User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 1527 times:

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 23):
MCO is essentially in the Southwest corner of the city (a good 10-15 minutes off of I-4 if traffic is good)

More like Southeast corner . Southwest Corner is where the unused Mickeyland STOLport is .

Oh yeah, might as well add:
http://www.trans4mation.org/ , for info on I-4 improvements and associated projects in the Greater Orlando Area.

[Edited 2007-01-22 20:02:39]

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