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Plane Lands Hard, Aborts And Circles (Video)  
User currently offlineDeC From Greece, joined Aug 2005, 616 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 20922 times:

I don't know if the violent hand movement of the one who was shooting the video makes it look more dramatized than it really was but it surely looks very scary! Any idea what kind of plane is this? Looks like an AVRO RJ to me;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NQP21mPEdo (09.06 duration)

and a shortened version with just the aborted landing, at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTxCUcPY734

[Edited 2007-01-22 03:46:22]


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User currently offlineContinentalAUS From United States of America, joined May 2006, 55 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 20917 times:

Awesome video- what a ride in the cabin. I've never seen this from inside an aircraft. What airline is this? Maybe easyJet or BA?


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User currently offlineExpressjetphx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 20826 times:

Sounds like the FA was saying "The captain has discontinued the approach into Bern"?

Maybe Swiss or BA


User currently offlineFlyingbronco05 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3840 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 20821 times:

Quoting ContinentalAUS (Reply 1):
What airline is this? Maybe easyJet or BA?

According to the comments on the video..........

"It was on a Flybe flight from Southampton to Bern last march 2006."



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11211 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 20428 times:

Maybe it happened because someone was using an electronic device after the captain asked everyone to turn them off....


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User currently offlineAlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 20401 times:

What's with the music? Seriously, that got pretty annoying after a while.

User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2952 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 20025 times:

is this a Avroliner?

User currently offlineChristopherwoo From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 19744 times:

Not easyjet, Easyjet only fly A319's! I was on a similar flight the other day when just before landing we ... i can't remember which ... i think it was a big tailwind that we hit, but we just fell out of the air from about 50 ft and hit the deck... we were not prepared for landing at all so we went straight back up again! dosn't do the plane's suspension any good those kind of landings!

[Edited 2007-01-22 13:56:26]

User currently offlineRwylie77 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 367 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 19660 times:

Quoting Christopherwoo (Reply 7):
Not easyjet, Easyjet only fly A319's!

And 737-700's...although they are being slowly retired from the fleet.


User currently offlineRichM From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 798 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 19636 times:

That's a BAe-146 for anyone who didn't know.

Nice video, although it did look like he came down a little fast.. Not sure if that's the case though.

[Edited 2007-01-22 14:29:28]

User currently offlineChuchoteur From France, joined Sep 2006, 762 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 19470 times:

Lucky the BAe146 has a solid, pulled undercarriage.

anything with a straight oleo would have definitely been much more uncomfortable...


User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 19349 times:

Its a 146 with white engine convering so I guess Flybe or Swiss!

whoever it was, it would have knocked the fillings out of your teeth!


User currently offlineTurkee From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 19344 times:

Nice find. Good decision to abort the landing, from what I can see.

User currently offlineChristopherwoo From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 18759 times:

Quoting Rwylie77 (Reply 8):
And 737-700's...although they are being slowly retired from the fleet.

Oh yeah! forgot about them, i'm based at gatwick and only ever see the 319's!

Quoting Turkee (Reply 12):
Nice find. Good decision to abort the landing, from what I can see.

It seems that when he was about 50 ft above the runway he hit wind shear or something like that and started falling, you can hear the engine's roar back in to life before they hit the deck indicating that the pilot decided to go around. They call the Avroliner the "flying pig" from what i've heard so if it was another airplane maybe they wouldn't have hit the deck!


User currently offlineAnalog From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 18618 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 4):
Maybe it happened because someone was using an electronic device after the captain asked everyone to turn them off....

That's a joke, right?

Cool video.


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11211 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 18284 times:

Quoting Analog (Reply 14):
Quoting D L X (Reply 4):
Maybe it happened because someone was using an electronic device after the captain asked everyone to turn them off....


That's a joke, right?

Yes.

I'm always a little surprised to see these videos because every flight I've been on in the last 10 years has asked people to turn off things like video cameras as they take off or land. This person apparently chose to ignore that message.



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User currently offlineAnalog From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 18127 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 15):

I'm always a little surprised to see these videos because every flight I've been on in the last 10 years has asked people to turn off things like video cameras as they take off or land. This person apparently chose to ignore that message.

In this case, aren't you glad he or she did?


User currently offlineChristopherwoo From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 18030 times:

The main reason for asking people to turn of electronical equipment for takeoff and landing is that most of it draws the attention of the user away from whats going on, e.g. laptops, ipods. On the Critical phases of flight passengers need to be aware of what is going on incase of evacuation commands or to be able to alert a crew member if they see anything wrong (big fire instead of engine, wing missing hehe). I guess a videocamera looking out the window dosn't draw the attention of the user too much, or if it does only to the right thing!

User currently offlinePilotRecruit From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 17844 times:

I've never been on a BAe146, but it looked like he was coming in a little quick right from the beginning...Then add a dash of windshear and you've got a nice receipe for a go around


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User currently offlineAnalog From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 17332 times:

Quoting Christopherwoo (Reply 17):
The main reason for asking people to turn of electronical equipment for takeoff and landing is that most of it draws the attention of the user away from whats going on, e.g. laptops, ipods. On the Critical phases of flight passengers need to be aware of what is going on incase of evacuation commands or to be able to alert a crew member if they see anything wrong (big fire instead of engine, wing missing hehe).

Then why are pax allowed to read books/magazines, use earplugs, or sleep during takeoff and landing? If pax attention is the real reason for the electronics ban, then these things should also be banned. Sleeping especially is much more distracting than an iPod.


User currently offlineChristopherwoo From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 17195 times:

meh they can only do so much. I'm only reciting what i got told on my training.

User currently offlineComeflywithme From Argentina, joined Sep 2006, 265 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 17198 times:

Quoting Christopherwoo (Reply 17):
The main reason for asking people to turn of electronical equipment for takeoff and landing is that most of it draws the attention of the user away from whats going on, e.g. laptops, ipods. On the Critical phases of flight passengers need to be aware of what is going on incase of evacuation commands or to be able to alert a crew member if they see anything wrong (big fire instead of engine, wing missing hehe). I guess a videocamera looking out the window dosn't draw the attention of the user too much, or if it does only to the right thing!

Also;

I was on a Finnair flight from Helsinki and on approach to Tallinn I was nicely told to put my camcorder away.
The FA said incase of an emergency it could become a flying object hazard.
Fair enough.


User currently offlineChuchoteur From France, joined Sep 2006, 762 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 17144 times:

Quoting PilotRecruit (Reply 18):
The main reason for asking people to turn of electronical equipment for takeoff and landing is that most of it draws the attention of the user away from whats going on, e.g. laptops, ipods.

True, but also, any item of electronic equipment such as a laptop, camera etc has a material denstiy/weight/sharp corners such as to inflict injury in case of sudden turbulence/impacts with the runway, if the object flies out of the persons hands.

And in case of emergency evacuation, the less things are strewn about the cabin, the better, as they will hamper your exit (particularly with smoke, at night etc).

I was surprised to read a thread somethime ago suggesting that 737's were subject to interference from mobiles.

On Airbus aircraft, whilst there is some interference (proved when slapping a mobile over the avionics box - hardly likely!), it is distinctly obvious (ie the instrument error is clearly a fault).

The main reason for not allowing phones to be used is that whilst you are flying about at 450mph, your mobile phone is hopping from one signal relay aerial on the ground to the next so quickly it saturates the mobile phone network as the system works overtime to try and follow you.

Mobile phone operators apparently hate that.


User currently offlineAnalog From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 17088 times:

Quoting Comeflywithme (Reply 21):
The FA said incase of an emergency it could become a flying object hazard.

So can hardcover books and, to a lesser degree, lap children.

But... most camcorders have straps that make it basically impossible to drop them accidentally. Of course had you tried to explain that to the FA you'd have been asking for trouble: interfering with flight crew, or whatever.


User currently offlineNWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4896 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 16644 times:

Quoting Christopherwoo (Reply 17):
The main reason for asking people to turn of electronical equipment for takeoff and landing is that most of it draws the attention of the user away from whats going on, e.g. laptops, ipods. On the Critical phases of flight passengers need to be aware of what is going on incase of evacuation commands or to be able to alert a crew member if they see anything wrong (big fire instead of engine, wing missing hehe). I guess a videocamera looking out the window dosn't draw the attention of the user too much, or if it does only to the right thing!

 redflag 
It's because some devices might interfere with aircraft systems. Some don't, some do. So they have a blanket rule. Only crew members (and sometimes jumpseaters) are required to be aware and not do anything like reading and sleeping.



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25 F9Animal : That was indeed a rough bounce. Just goes to show you how tough the 146 is. It looked as though they were fighting a heck of a crosswind too. Nice vi
26 Post contains images DeC : I've been in an Aegean Airlines BAe146 once, for a route i take 6 times each year and the ride seemed a bit more bumpy than usual, but it sure is a ve
27 F9Animal : I have flown on the BAE146 many times. They are one of my favorite birds. I would fly on them any day, anytime, anywhere. They sure are becoming a ra
28 Christopherwoo : I may be wrong, but isn't it only mobile phones or blackberry things that are supposed to be switched off the entire flight the items that interfere
29 AerospaceFan : There was a comment at the short video Webpage that said that aluminum wasn't combustible, but that doesn't strike me as right at all. In any event, I
30 Post contains links Airfoilsguy : See this thread about cell phone usage during flight. For God's Sake, Switch Off Your Damn Cell Phones.. (by Pilotaydin Jan 11 2007 in Civil Aviation)
31 Post contains links and images COA735 : Sorry, I just had to do it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoNVmyOzFiM&mode=related&search=
32 Sevenair : Yeah its a flyBE aircraft. Is that music piped in to the cabin or edited on to the video? It is very annoying!!
33 Post contains images Airfoilsguy : Wow, is that real?? Someone should start a thread on it!!
34 COA735 : I think the actual landing is real. The ATC chatter sounds fake.
35 Type-Rated : In the video I liked the announcement by the F/A "For technical reasons the captain has discontinued the approach into Bern, if we have any additional
36 Morvious : Its all fake and it isn't the ATC sound you are hearing. Its the home recorded sound that simulates the intercom with the FA and the Public anounceme
37 Airfoilsguy : Sorry, just joking. That video pops up here about once a month with someone asking if it is real.
38 DeC : It's from ENNIO MORICONNE's the good the bad the ugly original score and it was edited afterwards, on top of the video. It's a tremendously known and
39 Jerald01 : Could some kind soul who works as an FA or who works with the FAA, ICAO, etc., or who ACTUALLY knows of such a website, please post a website where th
40 Post contains images Cumulus : "For technical reasons the Captain has discontinued the approach" HAHAHA!!! Why not just say "The Captain has just ballooned this sucker and is going
41 Post contains images Analog : Must have been a GSM phone, which can be heard like this in all sorts of audio equipment (pulsing sounds right before they ring/get a message). What'
42 Caspian27 : NWADC9 is right. I've actually seen the instruments affected by electronic devices before. Although it is rare, I definitely don't want my localizer
43 Post contains images Jcf5002 : As an add-on after they landed, the captain says: "Flight attendents secure doors and check for missing parts..." Brings to mind an old joke: "Was th
44 Post contains images Legacy135 : Thanks DeC for posting this video, I did not know about before. Analog, are you serious or joking? Here some facts: This is definitely a FlyBe RJ100 i
45 Chuchoteur : ahem I believe you'd be referring to me :o) Be interested to know which type of a/c you were flying on. In relationship to Airbuses, I can guarantee
46 Post contains images COA735 : I Didn't know that. I'm new here.
47 Analog : Joking, though it's amazing that phones made to the GSM standard (actually all TDMA systems) generate such massive VLF interference. Thankfully CDMA
48 Lhrneighbour : How come aircraft aren't affected by the hundreds of thousands of electronic equipment on the ground around airports and approach paths? As far as I'm
49 Jerald01 : They sometimes ARE affected by such radio signal emitters. That is why pilots are encouraged to report unexplained abberations in use of navigational
50 Analog : The received power decreases with the square of the distance. Increasing the separation by a factor of 100 decreases received power by a factor of 10
51 Post contains images Jafa39 : Looks like an average day in WLG to me
52 DeC : Wow, that bad eh?
53 Christopherwoo : I am a F/A lol. Part of the reason is definately to try and take distractions out the picture as much as possible. Like someone else said, any loose
54 N685FE : Guess what, no matter where you sit on the a/c you are within 15 ft of a NAV, ILS, Comm, Autopilot system.
55 Analog : AFAIK The NAV, ILS, etc. systems really shouldn't be affected by the pulsing interference from GSM phones; it's primarily the audio band systems. Now
56 N723GW : Great video, my neck hurts from watching it though...lucky cameraman (to catch the video)
57 N685FE : I have seen DU's-F/D bars-G/S bug-LOC bug-RAD/ALT-VHF comm all receive interference from cell phones or two way radios. I am sure if you were to monit
58 CroCop : I dont think I have ever been on a bad Bae-146 landing or even a take off.
59 RichPhitzwell : not to hijack, but here is an interesting landing...enjoy
60 DeC : Wow. What was that? Gear up landing? And where in the world is that?
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