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User currently offlineKoopas From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 172 posts, RR: 1
Posted (13 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1136 times:

Hey guys...

I will soon come to a crossroad in my academic career as I only have 3 more semesters to earning my B.S. in Aerospace Engineering. Looking back, I am having trouble justifying why I chose my major even though I've had an inherent passion for commercial aviation.

Like many of you, I want to one day be in the left seat of an airliner. What is the best route you would recommend? Is there some kind of program which earns you a Master of Science degree while training you to fly?

While many of my school budies go on to work in the industry for Boeing, Lockheed Martin, and such or go on to grad school, I really want to start racking up my hours.

Basically, I am trying to build on my current education. Not start over. Too many all-nighters, too much crap I've put up with these past 4 years in school, and most of all, too much money invested  

Thanks for any advice.
Gig'em!
Alex Ly '01


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User currently offlineIainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1064 times:

I would go to Jetcareers you will find everything you need there.
Iain


User currently offlineFuture_Pilot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1072 times:

Unless your willing to dish out $30-$50k for a four year degree program, which is what you need, you have no chance of becoming a well paid commercial pilot flying for a major airline no matter what education you have right now,you should of though about becoming a pilot when you first started collage.

User currently offlineAA@DFW From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 397 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (13 years 9 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1054 times:

Oh no... An A&M guy!  

Well, my father, who is a Capt. for AA on the MD-11 has encouraged me to enter the Air National Guard. He said it is no doubt the fastest and cheapest way to get flight training.

Right now I'm in my first year of graduate school, so as you can see, I didn't listen to him! Well, at least not right away... i'm only 23 years old and will be 25 when I finish my master's degree. I will still have plenty of time to enter the Air Nat'l Guard and go on to a flying career with a carrier.

It is my understanding that most of the carriers right now are hiring about 80% ex-military. I'd say go with your gut feeling though. Go with what you love -- and then you wont go wrong.


User currently offlineModesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2791 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (13 years 9 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1028 times:

After talking with numerous pilots and flight instructors, fewer pilots are being hired from the military. My sources tell me about 50%. After Vietnam, there was an influx of pilots to the airlines. Those pilots are quickly approaching 60! The airlines are looked to other places to get their pilots. If you have the money, flight schools seems to be a good bet. I've met many pilots who didn't take the military route.

User currently offlineShinseki From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 9 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1025 times:

There are plenty of jobs screwing sheep available to any qualified Aggie.

Seriously though, best of luck whatever happens.


User currently offlineWishihadalife From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 9 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1017 times:

Username: Future_Pilot [User Info]
Posted 11-06-00 00:35 and read 44 times.

Unless your willing to dish out $30-$50k for a four year degree program, which is what you need, you have no chance of becoming a well paid commercial pilot flying for a major airline no matter what education you have right now,you should of though about becoming a pilot when you first started collage.


Koopas- Don't pay attention to "future pilot" as he is full of shit and has no idea what he is talking about.


User currently offlineAA@DFW From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 397 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (13 years 9 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1011 times:

I agree Wishihadalife...

Koopas,

Don't pay any attention to that moron. That's all he is... some old, cranky fifty-something dude who wishes he could go back and start his life over. He'd probably give anything to be in your position -- young and full of energy with a BRIGHT future ahead of him! You go with what you love... you are at just the right age for this. You have a wonderful degree that is in high demand and you will be picked up by an airline in no time at all when you finish flight school and get a few hours under your belt (or, if you decide to go Air National Guard, you can do it for a lot cheaper! and maybe a bit faster  

Best of luck to you Koopas! I love a person who has passion and drive... go for it!

AA@DFW


User currently offlineFuture_Pilot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 9 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1009 times:

You guys are sooo wrong, first off im 17(what the **** makes you say im 50, you guys are probably the old farts) and what I said is true, you do need a 4 year degree program to be hired by a major airline and it does cost 30-50k.Unless koopas is a rich bitch who can afford another 4 years in school then he has no chance of becoming a pilot unless he joins the military which he probably won't. So don't go puting me down for stating some facts.

P.S-he can still have a career in aviation by being an aircraft mechanic or something related to that.


User currently offlineSccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5505 posts, RR: 28
Reply 9, posted (13 years 9 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1002 times:

Time is an ustoppable beast. If you wait until you can "afford" what you want, or until "the time is right," one day, you'll wake up regretting the time you let slide by.

Future Pilot, regardless of how old or young you are (irrelevant to my comments), you are wrong to suggest that if one doesn't have the $$$ in the bank, a particular course of education is beyond reach. People with limited resources get great educations all the time, even if they have to work their way through. I speak from personal experience, having worked my way through (with the help of a horoically-dedicated wife) law school.

As for the time part of my comment, if I'd followed my heart when I changed careers and went to law school, I could well be in the left seat of a jet tonight. While I have a successful law practice, and I will likely someday own my own plane of some sort, I'll always be in the passenger cabin of jetliners. Maybe I should have tried for what I really wanted.

But you make decisions based upon what you know and perceive to be important at the time the decisions are made. While you are yoing, and unencumbered by responsibilities like children and extended family, do what you want to do. It will never get easier, and you will never have the time back.

And, no matter how young you are , it'll still creep up on you. Trust that.



...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
User currently offlineIainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (13 years 9 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 995 times:

>>You guys are sooo wrong, first off im 17(what the **** makes you say im 50, you guys are probably the old farts)<<

When people get older they get smarter, at the age of 17 you do not know enough to survive that is why you live at home, and ask mommy and daddy for money!

>>you do need a 4 year degree program to be hired by a major airline <<

Not true, you do not need a 4 year degree with all the major, I know AA does not require it. But I would definately get it as you would be more compettive!

>>and it does cost 30-50k.Unless koopas is a rich bitch who can afford another 4 years in school then he has no chance of becoming a pilot<<

Your price quote is a little high I would say more around $15,000-$18,000 then you will have your CFI and it will start paying. You can also get loans for flight training, or come to a deal with a flight school. If you sign a 5 year contract they might consider loaning you some money. But that all depends on who you know!
Iain


User currently offlineFuture_Pilot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (13 years 9 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 991 times:

Sccutler, your right there are always student loans and such, which is what I will have to rely on for my pilot training in a couple years.

User currently offlineFuture_Pilot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (13 years 9 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 988 times:

the four year degree costs $53k in canada so it has to be around $30k in the US, and yes you dont need a four year degree but it sure helps if you want to jumpstart your career, or so i heard from other people.

User currently offlineIainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (13 years 9 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 984 times:

>>yes you dont need a four year degree but it sure helps if you want to jumpstart your career<<

It really does help you be more competitive!

>>the four year degree costs $53k in canada so it has to be around $30k in the US<<

I think that most people on this forum will be going to college, so I do not think that expence should be really counted as cots of becoming an airline pilot. Also there are many scholarships to help pay for college, and ways to do it cheaper then that.

Iain


User currently offlineWISAZ13 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (13 years 9 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 986 times:

You do not know what you're talking about. Keep your mouth shut about this matter. All the majors are dropping their four year requirement due to the shortage. Your degree can be in underwater basket weaving for all they care, it doesn't matter. An aerospace engineer holds a hell of a lot of rank in this industry, especially when becoming a pilot. Koopas, try a program that will allow you to get through quick to start building your hours, like Pan Am or ATP.

User currently offlineWISAZ13 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (13 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 959 times:

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User currently offlineWishihadalife From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (13 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 954 times:

Topic: RE: Life After College?
Username: Future_Pilot [User Info]
Posted 11-06-00 05:03 and read 58 times.

You guys are sooo wrong, first off im 17(what the **** makes you say im 50, you guys are probably the old farts) and what I said is true, you do need a 4 year degree program to be hired by a major airline and it does cost 30-50k.Unless koopas is a rich bitch who can afford another 4 years in school then he has no chance of becoming a pilot unless he joins the military which he probably won't. So don't go puting me down for stating some facts



There are other ways of building flight hours. Kids like you fuck up this forum. Stop spreading incorrect information.


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7773 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (13 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 950 times:

So you are almost out of school and trying to figure out what you want to do? Fair enough. You gotta do what you love. Plus being young you have the time to go out and help realize that dream. The fact of the matter is that majors are hiring right now, and graduating with a B.S. in Aerospace Engineering makes you a very qualified candidate. You could have a degree in Eastern Philosophy and be able to become a pilot. Certainly having Bachelors degree is important no matter what it is.


Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
User currently offlineLordOfTheFlys From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (13 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 951 times:

Koopas,
Don't let anyone discourage you from pursuing aviation as a career. Commercial aviation, and military aviation, are both in dire need of pilots. The recent drop in eye sight requirements for the military, and the drop in minimum hours by the airlines reflect this.

Most major U.S. carriers require some sort of bachelors degree; for some reason I want to say TWA doesn't require one. I would not count on the airlines dropping the bachelors degree requirement anytime soon.

A few statistics I have heard (out of many) that are coming from credible sources have said: for every 15 pilots Skywest loses it is hiring 30, and a 35% pilot turn over rate is expected by the majors in the next 10 years.

As far as money goes...
I work 2 jobs at SLC international, one on the ramp, the other at a flight school. We have people at the flight school that can't afford to eat 3 times a day, but they still come up with the money to get their training. The point being you can do whatever you want with perseverance and desire. *wipes a tear from his eye*
Good luck with whatever you decide to do

Cheers,
Greg


User currently offlineKoopas From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 172 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (13 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 951 times:

Future_Pilot wrote:

"You guys are sooo wrong, first off im 17(what the **** makes you say im 50, you guys are probably
the old farts) and what I said is true, you do need a 4 year degree program to be hired by a major
airline and it does cost 30-50k.Unless koopas is a rich bitch who can afford another 4 years in school
then he has no chance of becoming a pilot unless he joins the military which he probably won't. So
don't go puting me down for stating some facts.

P.S-he can still have a career in aviation by being an aircraft mechanic or something related to that."



Actually, you're right Future_Pilot: I am a rich bitch who can afford another 4 years in school or however long it takes for me to accumulate enough hours to apply to a major airline. Thank you for your valuable input but I was looking for directions on where to go to obtain such training, not its feasability. Next time you write, at least attempt to include some relevant info instead of wasting bandwidth.

Get over your teenage rebellion years.


User currently offlineWISAZ13 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (13 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 938 times:

Hey man, just go to an Academy that will finish you up real quick so you can build up your 1000 hours.

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