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Big Announcement At STL Tomorrow...  
User currently offlineBoeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 20490 times:

I'm not at liberty to say what it is (yet), but I may spill the beans later tonight. A teaser - it will involve Concourse B.

Let the speculation begin!!!!

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User currently offlineNwafflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1050 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 20484 times:

What airlines use Concourse B?

User currently offlineBoeing Nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 20447 times:

Quoting Nwafflyer (Reply 1):
What airlines use Concourse B?

None - yet.


User currently offlineIcelandairMSP From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 20201 times:

I thought B was used by American Connection by little puddle jumpers to towns like Kirksville, MO; Cape Girardeau, Mo; etc.

User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4646 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 20184 times:

Didnt someone suggest or hint at a F9 expansion?


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User currently offlineJetBlueNYFL From United States of America, joined May 2006, 274 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 20162 times:

One of jetBlue's 8 new destinations for 2007?

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User currently offlineFlymli From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 20110 times:

If I had to guess, it has to be AirTran starting new service this Spring

User currently offlineStl1326 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 496 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 19920 times:

Does it involve a new airline or an existing carrier at the airport??

[Edited 2007-01-22 16:21:38]

User currently offlineB757capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1366 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 19774 times:

Quoting Boeing nut (Thread starter):

AirTran will annouce service for April. It is already loaded into Skyport....



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User currently offlineStl1326 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 496 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 19743 times:

Quoting B757capt (Reply 8):
AirTran will annouce service for April. It is already loaded into Skyport....

Awesome....Does it show the schedule??


User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3702 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 19740 times:
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Quoting B757capt (Reply 8):
AirTran will annouce service for April. It is already loaded into Skyport....

Early reports is that FL is going to go into STL the same way they did with IND. They're gunning for AA.



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User currently offlineB757capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1366 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 19729 times:

Quoting Stl1326 (Reply 9):
Awesome....Does it show the schedule??



Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 10):
Early reports is that FL is going to go into STL the same way they did with IND. They're gunning for AA.

Its Extremely weird. I'm not at work today, but the guys at ops are saying that its 7 a day to ATL and a bunch of FLA routes. Thats what I'm being told............



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User currently offlineStl1326 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 496 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 19695 times:

Quoting B757capt (Reply 11):
Its Extremely weird. I'm not at work today, but the guys at ops are saying that its 7 a day to ATL and a bunch of FLA routes. Thats what I'm being told............

If that is true that is a lot to start off with but good for lambert. This makes my day!


User currently offlineMrSTL From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 468 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 19676 times:

My vote would be B6 I would think Frontier would use the D concourse if they are expanding. Airtran would already have service to STL if the Midwest merger goes through. Is this a press conference or just an announcement?

User currently offlineMrSTL From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 468 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 19642 times:

Quoting B757capt (Reply 11):
Its Extremely weird. I'm not at work today, but the guys at ops are saying that its 7 a day to ATL and a bunch of FLA routes. Thats what I'm being told............

This would be good news if true I much prefer a 717 to an RJ on AA to ATL


User currently offlineFlyorski From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 987 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 19546 times:

I would guess Air Tran might make it a new hub. Probably a mix of 737 and 717 to ATL.


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User currently offlineJayDub From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 19519 times:

Quoting Flyorski (Reply 15):
I would guess Air Tran might make it a new hub. Probably a mix of 737 and 717 to ATL.

If FL had existing service to STL, I could see that as possible.


User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 19457 times:

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User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 19286 times:

I love concourse B in STL. Much better than that long D concourse Easy to get to and all the gates are close to each other. Perfect for a mini hub for anyone.

User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 36
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 19030 times:

Quoting B757capt (Reply 11):
Its Extremely weird. I'm not at work today, but the guys at ops are saying that its 7 a day to ATL and a bunch of FLA routes. Thats what I'm being told............

Wow, that's quite a bit. I would guess AA's next move is to either can STL-ATL or change it to S80's. I really thought it would be S80's by now anyway...

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 10):
Early reports is that FL is going to go into STL the same way they did with IND. They're gunning for AA.

16-20 daily flights?

7-ATL
3-MCO
2-FLL
2-TPA
1-RSW
1-PBI

Would definitely be interesting to see if they jump on any of AA's cash cows like SEA or JAX.

Regardless, this has been a long time coming. Dialogue between Lambert and FL officials has been going back and forth for years now, as the Stl-PD has actually covered it relatively closely.

Does anyone know why AirTran gives Kansas City so little attention? I've always thought that they were missing a golden opportunity at KC.


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4646 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 19028 times:

As for FL if they want a decent operation there, they have to worry about having the Midwest folx at MCI feeling threatened. It would be interesting though if one of the routes they start is MKE-STL since there is no current low-fare competition.

I could see something like this if they wanted to go all out....
4x ATL
2x MKE
2x BOS
2x BWI
1x MCO
1-3x other FLA
Plus anything westbound



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User currently offlineMrSTL From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 468 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 18986 times:

Quoting LambertMan (Reply 19):
Would definitely be interesting to see if they jump on any of AA's cash cows like SEA or JAX.

Add SFO to that list! Interesting that there has been rumours of a F9 ramp-up as well. Airtran and F9 have a new ff agreement.

[Edited 2007-01-22 18:13:14]

User currently offlineCentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 18939 times:

Quoting LambertMan (Reply 19):
Would definitely be interesting to see if they jump on any of AA's cash cows like SEA or JAX.

I would have to imagine FL starting STL-JAX before STL-SEA, but who knows right?

I wish the best of luck to FL in STL, and maybe they will push AA around a bit!



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User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 36
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 18891 times:

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 22):
I wish the best of luck to FL in STL, and maybe they will push AA around a bit!

That's what I'm worried about. Contrary to popular belief in St. Louis, American really does a lot to keep Lambert anything other than a sleepy little airport. I don't want anyone to give AA a good reason to leave, we need them.

IF they really are "going after" AA, it would be interesting to see what they do. Nobody has ever really stepped on AA's toes in St. Louis, AA and WN kind of work their way around each other. I guess we'll see if St. Louis is worth defending.


User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4242 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 18837 times:

Quoting Boeing nut (Thread starter):
A teaser - it will involve Concourse B

Let me guess, Concourse B, Gate 6? JetBlue?
Actually, i don't think it is JetBlue. I'm assuming your big announcement is the confirmed AirTran flights - probably means that B6 will add STL in about three months, if their recent route planning history is anything to go by.



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25 MrSTL : I think we have already seen the beginning of how AA will react. They have added mainline to SAT, AUS, RDU and 5x to LAX, they have removed mainline
26 Quickmover : Agreed. MCI will be seeing alot of FL traffic, however, if the FL/YX deal goes through.
27 Luv2fly : Joe Leonard was with EA and probably had his fill of MCI and the challenges of trying to hub at that airport.
28 B757capt : I agree but, I also think as much as people may not like forklift Joe. He is still a hell of a business man. Just like the moron Trump says. "busines
29 AirTran737 : They are in a mandatory quiet period. They Will make their decision public on thursday.
30 TVNWZ : I believe Airtran has said...in one of their press tours of MKE...they are not all that interested in the MCI component of YX.
31 Post contains images ERJ170 : It's not just MCI.. AirTran doesn't give much attention to a lot of their "older" stations.. RDU has service to ATL and that's it. Is there potential
32 Boeing Nut : Wll, since there are other sources that have published the info, I don't see why I couldn't confirm it..... Indeed, Air Tran will start service at STL
33 Jmy007 : Is there room enough O/D traffic to these markets currently served by AA and WN, and DL (in the case of ATL) for FL to make money and expand, and not
34 Boeing Nut : A little extra info somewhat related.... Some of you may be wondering, "what about Regions Air?". I hear through the grape vine that they are on the b
35 Jmy007 : That is great news. Are they putting back in an airbirdge over there? I take it it's just one gate to start? Is AA/connection going to move out of B
36 Boeing Nut : Yea, I just don't know when or exactly which gate. I'll do some fishing on that.
37 DeltaDAWG : It's about time. While I love Delta, they have owned this market for some time from ATL. Last year at one point I had to pay around $850.00 r/t for AT
38 777STL : My guess as far as the frequencies: 3x ATL 1x RSW 1x MCO Bout time though, how long has little Bloomington, Illinois had FL service? Three years? Four
39 Post contains images Falstaff : STL can get back some of those TWA 717s...
40 CentPIT : Sounds like another airport I know quite well. However, as far as STL goes, I am not quite sure FL will be able to handle the heat that WN might thro
41 Flyinryan99 : I think it's 7. I don't remember exactly when they started there, but I wanna say sometime in and around 2000.
42 FWAERJ : Drat... I was hoping for FWA. After all, we were in the top 5 cities (in terms of votes) in FL's poll, ranking up there with PHX. Maybe we'll be next
43 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : And if they enter Florida markets direct from STL, then they might be gunning for Southwest too. The question is, where would they expand to (route w
44 HPAEAA : perhaps their headed West? STL has a nice location to do that from most of FL's east coast cities... Maybe we'll find out tommarrow!
45 ExpressJet_ERJ : Come on STL-TPA with AA cutting it to 1 daily, I need that one!
46 Quickmover : Does anyone know the top o/d cities to/from STL? I would guess LGA, ORD or DFW.
47 Post contains links AirTran737 : STL-ORD 1,935 STL-New York 1,209 STL-LAX 1,178 http://www.faremeasure.com/airports/Airport-St_Louis_Missouri.html
48 Ckfred : If AirTran is serious about making a go of turning STL into a hub, then there are two questions to answer. 1. How does this affect their attempt to bu
49 Quickmover : STL-BOS is interesting. Fares usually around $400. AA has 4 dailys (3 rjs). FL has a fairly good presence in BOS.
50 MrSTL : All really good points, I think STL will be seeing some modest expansion on WN's February 8th? schedule release. STL might be a back up if the Midwes
51 MrSTL : Agreed, AA goes to 3x MD80 April 10th
52 Bobnwa : You seen to be hinting that FL has an ulterior motive in not increasing service out of RDU. What would be holding them back, other than they don't ag
53 AASTEW : Good Luck FL! Hope it works out better than the DFW buildup. FL doesn't have a good record when going against AA and WN. AASTEW
54 ExpressJet_ERJ : Any idea what time the press announcement is tomorrow? Im sure the media here in STL will have a hayday.
55 Stl1326 : Why can't they try the Southwest model? Have a good presence in many cities. I'm not saying they are going to make STL a hub by no means and I don't t
56 ERJ170 : You seem to be putting words in my mouth. Not a good thing to do. As to what's holding them back? Who knows.. maybe you are right.. perhaps they coul
57 Flyibaby : Okay, I'll bite. What routes could FL specifically have a monopoly on, that they would be big enough in on the downline station to run I suppose a 73
58 LambertMan : Five daily flights, not exactly what I was hoping for. Didn't they announce IND with only a few flights then added more before service even started o
59 IADLHR : Thats what I was thinking when I saw first saw the topic. However, I ddint know when WN was going to do its next schedule release so I wasnt really s
60 Luv2fly : Well since WN does not serve the STL to ATL route it is fair to say the heat will be minimal at best.
61 ExpressJet_ERJ : DL and AA do STL-ATL atleast 6x daily each.
62 Post contains links LoneStarMike : A note about O&D statistics. The info on Faremeasure.com is from Q3 2004 and has never been updated beyond that time period.The most current O&D stati
63 DTWAGENT : Maybe WN will be doing a major expantion at STL and using all of concourse B. Just a thought Chuck
64 ERJ170 : True. Back to STL. Congratulations on the service. Best of luck to whatever they get. I too perhaps see ATL, with MCO and probably BWI additions. I d
65 ADiZzy : I'll just take a guess and say that B6 is going to add another destination to is map....soon!
66 MrSTL : STL/DFW-DAL Q3/04 813 daily passengers Q2/06 1626 daily passengers Looks like the Southwest effect is alive and well -- traffic doubled!
67 CentPIT : Yeah I knew that, but if FL serves other markets from STL, then it might be hot.
68 777STL : Considering WN owns Terminal E and Terminal E is quite a bit aways geographically from B, I think the odds of that are happening are slim to none and
69 CIDflyer : funny you should ask, I just checked the Central Illinois Regional Airport website yesterday, and AirTran just celebrated 10 years of service at BMI
70 Bobnwa : Are you sure that WN OWNS Terminal E, or do they have a lease on it?
71 HPAEAA : I often wondered why AA dropped the CLE routes completely, IIRC they had 5x MD80's to STL prior to the downsizing and then dropped them all, I always
72 MrSTL : This is STL related, however not related to the announcement. Effective 04/10 American Eagle will reinstate nonstop service to SGF- Springfield/Branso
73 STLGph : Ding ding ding. St. Louis is very traditionalist. The people are not going to just flock to this airline because it is there unless they are selling
74 MrSTL : Frontier seems to be doing well here as does USA3000. Sorry a 717 beats a 50 seat RJ anyday. This coming from an AA Gold who is now spreading his bus
75 STLGph : Frontier found business because they found a void in service to western markets that were cut off by TWA/AA pull out...such as places like San Jose,
76 Penguinflies : While it will be great to see B used like that again, I wonder who is going to pay to demolish the RJ doors chautauqua built for the saabs and rjs plu
77 ExpressJet_ERJ : Nice to see SGF come back, would be nice to see MCI and CLE come back. Hey I know I'm dreaming but it COULD happen.
78 Post contains images WesternA318 : Amen to that...
79 STLGph : It's 5 maybe 6 flights. You're speaking as if they're becoming the new Baltimore.
80 Stl1326 : Anybody know what routes they will be flying to?
81 Clipper707 : I have been told that NK will be in STL for svc to Florida and the islands. Catch The Spirit to the Caymans!!! Clipper707
82 Stl1326 : When will they annouce new service to STL, that would be great news if that was true??? Two new airlines.....
83 AA787823 : Big announcement will be that Anheiser Bush will start making a cola along with beer. of which i am on my 8th
84 Flyibaby : Airtran has been in talks with Anheiser Busch for a while now anyway. My money would be that they scored some guaranteed flying to select markets tha
85 MAH4546 : If Spirit goes to STL, it will be a flight to FLL, maybe RSW. No Island service.
86 Post contains links MrSTL : AirTran will begin service in May with 4X ATL and in June with 1XMCO Welcome to STL AirTran! http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/new...B8CFF8625726C00155
87 Post contains links STLGph : Post Dispatch has the article. http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/new...B8CFF8625726C00155646?OpenDocument
88 Post contains links and images BHMNONREV : Guess it's time to pull out the old Google Earth image again and start to speculate.. Although the Post article states that no gate/concourse has been
89 DeltaDAWG : Yes, and the two of them have been squeezing every dime out of passengers on this route for years. FL is a welcome site to this route and I do not kn
90 WA707atMSP : It would also be nice to see DTW come back, even if it's just a couple of "Jungle Jets" a day. DTW has 200 more passengers / day than MSP, where AA h
91 Quickmover : I remember at TWA's peak STL years, SGF saw a mix of 5 daily dc9/md80s plus 5 daily ATR 72/42s.
92 Post contains links HPAEAA : It's Official, STL and SAN are the new destinations! here's the press releases Stl: 4x to ATL 1x to MCO http://pressroom.airtran.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=2
93 Falstaff : After I moved to Detroit in 2000 I would fly to STL on TWA, then I tried WN and I didn't like it. I then moved to NW. NW and WN are the only two with
94 Jmy007 : There interactive route map now has St Louis. It's funny, as they show connecting service in Atlanta to Witchta, Memphis, and Houston. I agree with th
95 Stl1326 : Boeing nut, anyword on what they will be doing with the B concourse like adding a jet bridge, ect.?
96 HeavyMx1 : Maybe they are not paying for the gates to be reinstated. They may have negotiated to have STL pay for them, you never know.
97 STLGph : "although the 717 should be OK ... anything longer could present a problem..." gosh that rings bells a few months ago when I mentioned something alon
98 Jmy007 : Daimler Chrysler and GM still have plants in metro St Louis.
99 Moman : AA has a huge lock on the STL market, underestimated by MANY on here. I suspect that if there is a 'media hayday', it's more along the lines of thank
100 STLGph : dont they have ticketing agreements with Northwest not a whole lot of hayday .... the Hornbecks are getting a new house ... i'm thinking they're goin
101 RocANDtpa : AA does not have a "lock" on a route that has all erj aircraft on it. Maybe major expansion on the part of Airtran might be thwarted by AA. However S
102 STLGph : In your opinion and prejudice against ERJ planes ... yes ... Those that are from St. Louis and understand the people in St. Louis know .... that like
103 LambertMan : The stock AA response to something like this is to put mainline aircraft on the route. So I wouldn't necessarily assume ERJ's will be on the route wh
104 Jmy007 : What airline are you refering to? If it's TWA, then it took more than 16 year for Southwest to bring them down. Which, of course, is not the case at
105 777STL : WN didn't kill TWA, Carl Icahn killed TWA...
106 STLGph : AA really isnt into playing the Northwest game. disagree half heartedly. St. Louis got way too ahead of themselves wanting to be the smallest city to
107 Post contains images Jmy007 : I think this is a debate for another place and another time, but certainly these are valid points. Better days lay ahead for Lambert it seems.
108 STLGph : agreed compadre.
109 Mli717fan : I'm glad to see FL adding flights to STL. I remember connecting through STL many times as a kid, the most memorable flight was flying MLI - STL - SAT.
110 MoMan : Incorrect. Correct. Many people not from STL don't understand how deep in the community TWA was loved and loathed at the same time. Now that TWA is g
111 Post contains images Falstaff : I fly DTW-STL and back just about monthly and the flights are always full. I have have taken a bump a few times. NW can Fill the DC-9s to STL and bac
112 ExpressJet_ERJ : Tip of the C concourse is where the L10s and 747s went out of, I assume thats where customs was. What was Air Kentucky?
113 Falstaff : Good question, I have never heard of them. In the commuter wing there is a company called Trans MO. I have not heard of them either.
114 WA707atMSP : On Sunday, I flew through STL enroute IND-STL-MSP. My IND-STL flight arrived at gate C9, which looks like gate 30 on the OZ map from 1985. The jetway
115 Luv2fly : The same can be said for any airline hub cities.
116 Falstaff : That is cool. I have seen Ozark Ashtrays and trash cans around STL too. At some C gates the little trash cans behind the counters have Ozark Airlines
117 Jmy007 : I was born and raise in STL, and flew on TWA too many times to count. So I am well aware of how ingrained TWA was in the community during the 80's an
118 MrSTL : Related to thread starter, I was updating a profile item and it made me delete Boeing Nut on my respected user list because he is no longer a member??
119 LHPDX : PDX-STL is long overdue........................
120 Indy : Don't know if it has been asked or not but does the 717 have the legs to go from STL to places like PHX, LAX or SFO? What about LAS?
121 STLGph : TWA used to fly 717's into Phoenix. that was the longest route to and from St. Louis.
122 LambertMan : I whole-heartedly agree. I've enjoyed Boeing nut's contributions to the forum and hope he either returns or this is a glitch. Regardless, good luck B
123 STLGph : Well one thing is for sure ... the headline of this thread was entirely misleading.
124 Stl1326 : How was it misleading? I think a new carrier coming to Lambert is a BIG announcement.....
125 HPAEAA : RIP Boeing Nut... we want you back!
126 STLGph : please. it's a snoozer. especially with 5 flights a day.
127 MrSTL : It's all relative and sad. Going back seven years ago I was waiting to see if we would have two flights a day to LGW, CDG and a new one to FRA. Now w
128 777STL : I'm thankful for what we still have. We can still get to most major cities non-stop, sometimes on multiple airlines as well. The heyday is over with
129 MrSTL : Agreed & hopeful for the future. We are fortunate to have the two healthiest carriers as our largest.
130 Flyibaby : Air Kentucky was a feeder back in the 1980s for USAir primarily into the IND hub. According to the Ozark Airlines STL terminal map, Britt Air also fl
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