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787 To Enter Service Next Year?  
User currently offlineMowtoib From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10857 times:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6288005.stm

That's what's struck me as odd:

Demand for the firm's 787 Dreamliner jet, which goes into service next year, has helped boost Boeing's results.

Did I miss something?...

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User currently offlineEGBJ From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 498 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10862 times:

The 787 goes into service with ANA in 2008. First flight is anticipated to take place later this year.  Smile

Rich


User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1666 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10861 times:

Tey are taking in deposits on all of those planes.

User currently offlineMowtoib From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10819 times:

Thanks! I thought it was another 2-3 years away!  Yeah sure

User currently offlineKhobar From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2379 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 10479 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 5):
even if there is a coupe of month delay...better to have a two month delay than a two year delay... Wink

"ANA, which is the launch customer for the new aircraft, said it was confident it would receive the first of 50 orders on time in May 2008."

What 2 month delay, if ANA is getting their aircraft ON TIME?


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10185 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 5):
.even if there is a coupe of month delay.



Quoting Khobar (Reply 8):
What 2 month delay, if ANA is getting their aircraft ON TIME?

that's why I stated even if there were a two month delay..not that there will be.... Wink



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User currently offlineBeech19 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 936 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10138 times:

Delivery of the FIRST 787 to ANA is already been scheduled... April 28th, 2008. EIS in May, 2008. Just watch... we will show you how to get a plane in the air on time.


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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10109 times:

By the end of 2008 there will be more 787's in customer service than A380's.

User currently offlinePygmalion From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 969 posts, RR: 38
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 10070 times:

Heck, by the end of 2007, there looks to be as many 787's in service as A380's or at least within one. We'll have to wait and see if SQ puts one aircraft in service by itself.

User currently offlineKhobar From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2379 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 10029 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 9):
that's why I stated even if there were a two month delay..not that there will be...

Thanks. I read it with different inflection (the is did it).


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7565 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 9659 times:

NW receives theirs in like August or July of 2008, I can't wait!


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User currently offlineMkorpal From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 90 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 9577 times:

While were on the subject, has anyone heard anything about first flight. It seems from what I've heard that they are starting to receive parts. Does June seem like a reasonable target for the flight.

User currently offlineMCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 9551 times:

Quoting Mkorpal (Reply 12):
While were on the subject, has anyone heard anything about first flight. It seems from what I've heard that they are starting to receive parts. Does June seem like a reasonable target for the flight.

I think first flight is actually scheduled for August. I'm sure rollout will be before that and we'll already have had several looks at it.  Smile



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User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3599 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9471 times:

First Japanese parts were delivered earlier this month to Vought. Those parts will be mated to the US and Italian barrels. Then Transported by air to Everett. Final assembly will happen there and in only a few months.

The first one will roll off the assembly line in March or April I believe.



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6791 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9448 times:

Perhaps Boeing will do a round the US/round the world tour? I think it would be great if they flew into some of the biggie airports to show off their craft..

didn't the Concord do something like that? Thats the only reason why I could see it in some of the places it was photographed!



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User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3509 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9243 times:

Quoting Mkorpal (Reply 11):
While were on the subject, has anyone heard anything about first flight. It seems from what I've heard that they are starting to receive parts. Does June seem like a reasonable target for the flight.

Everything I've heard (from family in the company) suggests a rollout in June or July and a first flight in August. It's crunch time for Boeing, let's hope they keep up with the schedule.



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User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 9147 times:

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 6):
Delivery of the FIRST 787 to ANA is already been scheduled... April 28th, 2008. EIS in May, 2008. Just watch... we will show you how to get a plane in the air on time.

That's right! Two year delays what? The guys at Boeing know how to get it done.

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 10):
NW receives theirs in like August or July of 2008, I can't wait!

Neither can I! I can't wait to watch it touch down at MSP for the first time, and be assured, as soon as she starts to fly out of MSP, I'll be booking a ticket on it, regardless of where it is going.

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 15):
Quoting Mkorpal (Reply 11):
While were on the subject, has anyone heard anything about first flight. It seems from what I've heard that they are starting to receive parts. Does June seem like a reasonable target for the flight.

Everything I've heard (from family in the company) suggests a rollout in June or July and a first flight in August. It's crunch time for Boeing, let's hope they keep up with the schedule.

It'll certainly be all pins and needles from here till roll out. I've got faith that they know what they are doing... if anyone has proven to be truly a virtuoso at the large aircraft business, it has been boeing.



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User currently offlineLuke7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8721 times:

I can't wait for it to EIS, especially with LOT, which I often fly. But I wouldn't be so confident about it being so perfectly on time. I understand that boeing is a very well organized and developed company, and they are confident to what they say. But in such modernized aircraft with many new technologies, a small trip could cause a delay. But I wish them good luck, and hope that 787 will grace the skies soon.

User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8632 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7968 times:
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Quoting Pygmalion (Reply 8):
Heck, by the end of 2007, there looks to be as many 787's in service as A380's or at least within one. We'll have to wait and see if SQ puts one aircraft in service by itself.



it will be a long wait , SQ have ordered 787-9s which will not be available at that time - they will not get them until end 2010/early 2011  Big grin



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User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4966 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7927 times:

I can't wait to see the 787 in SAN or LAX next year... somewhere nearby me where I can get some shots!


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User currently offlineFlyibaby From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7770 times:

I know that Boeing awared some kind of work to a brand new facility at the CHS airport for the 787 project. Of course the plant is up and running, but does anyone know what part they play in all of this. I would compare this facility in terms of size with the five football fields.

User currently offlineFlyingKangaroo From Australia, joined Apr 2004, 532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7715 times:

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 18):
Quoting Pygmalion (Reply 8):
Heck, by the end of 2007, there looks to be as many 787's in service as A380's or at least within one. We'll have to wait and see if SQ puts one aircraft in service by itself.

it will be a long wait , SQ have ordered 787-9s which will not be available at that time - they will not get them until end 2010/early 2011

I think he was talking about the A380, not the 787.

Anyway, I'm amazed that the first flight is this year! It seems like just yesterday I was reading the news paper and saw the tiny little article on Boeing's new 7E7.

flyingKangaroo



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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8632 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7668 times:
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Quoting FlyingKangaroo (Reply 21):
Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 18):
Quoting Pygmalion (Reply 8):
Heck, by the end of 2007, there looks to be as many 787's in service as A380's or at least within one. We'll have to wait and see if SQ puts one aircraft in service by itself.

it will be a long wait , SQ have ordered 787-9s which will not be available at that time - they will not get them until end 2010/early 2011

I think he was talking about the A380, not the 787.

DOH! I have just re-read it (properly this time ) and I see what you mean  banghead 



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User currently offlineAviopic From Netherlands, joined Mar 2004, 2681 posts, RR: 41
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7159 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 15):
Everything I've heard (from family in the company) suggests a rollout in June or July and a first flight in August.

If that's true chances it will enter service by next year's may are slim.
10 months for a complete certification process is very short.



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User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3599 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6837 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 14):
Perhaps Boeing will do a round the US/round the world tour? I think it would be great if they flew into some of the biggie airports to show off their craft..

Totally.
Bet they will fly it to the HUB airports of the airlines that ordered it and to places that supplied large parts.



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25 Bh4007 : The whole experience of getting the 787 to market has [so far] been a much more enjoyable experience than the A380. I think that the problems, delays
26 NAV20 : Not really - Boeing, anyway, normally plan on around a year from first flight to certification/delivery. Most recent example was the 777-200LR:- Roll
27 Albird87 : Ah but this is an 'upgrade' from the 200 so wouldnt that mean that it doesnt have to go through the stringent processes for certification as they hav
28 Post contains links and images NAV20 : As I understand it, Albird87, a lot of the certification process is a formality, provided that the aeroplane has been designed properly in the first p
29 Burkhard : When the A380 was half a year before first flight, it looked as bright and enjoyable. Hard times start at first flight, they do not end there. The 77
30 EI321 : Isnt an enhancement of an existing design subjuct to a shorter certification process than a clean sheet design, eg no evac test, (presumably) no stat
31 CHRISBA777ER : Ten months from FF to EIS will be a magnificent acheivement. Good luck!
32 Post contains images Aviopic : So it took already 12 months to get an upgrade certified. Now we are talking about a complete new A/C with quite some new features like the plastic f
33 ArniePie : I think this should read WE THOUGHT at that time that Airbus was on schedule,fact is that Airbus failed to inform everyone when they saw they were go
34 Revelation : Well, the difference with respect to Concorde was Concorde needed the promotions (it had a lot of orders early, but suffered a wave of cancellations
35 Malmoaviation : Anyone knows if the 787 will be at Farnborough this year?
36 Leelaw : The "wiring harness imbroglio" which has derailed the A380 program wasn't uncovered by the flight-test program, Airbus executives knew there was a se
37 Revelation : There were murmurs that major A380 parts that should have shown up at Toulouse with the wiring installed already were not showing up with the wiring
38 Post contains links Aviopic : Guess we just don't know, at least I don't. The investors seems to think that the project is delayed. http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/290032_b
39 DAYflyer : It is always interesting to see how differently the two corporate cultures are and how they handle the roll out of a new type. From what I have read,
40 Post contains images Beech19 : That is not Boeing. That is Vought and Alenia facilities. Vought produces the Section 47/48 aft fues and the Vought/Alenia building next door integra
41 777ER : Its hard to believe that it was 2004 when the first orders came in (ANA and NZ) and now we are in 2007
42 BoomBoom : The rumors weren't denied: What do the "investors" think today? You know, if it's delayed even two weeks, the Airbus cheerleaders will equate it to t
43 N328KF : No, Boeing has been far more up-front about their progress than Airbus was. Corporate governance laws require this. No, one analyst (who may or may n
44 Pygmalion : Haven't they done that already just on the rumors?
45 Beech19 : Good thing the airlines don't care what cheerleaders say. Only what their ledger says and at this rate it looks like 787's will be making money for a
46 Post contains links Aviopic : According this analyst still the same so it seems. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...nology/2003536212_webboeing22.html What do you mean ? I've
47 Pygmalion : Its not 8 months it's 10. You using up bandwidth restating the same story is pushing an opinion whether you deny it or not. I didn't see you quote any
48 Aviopic : Still very short. I don't have to deny anything because there is nothing to deny, I did not post my opinion whether there is a delay or not. BECAUSE
49 Pygmalion : That you carefully selected and published here on A-net. The original 777 flight test program lasted 12 months and started less than 4 years after pr
50 Areopagus : More than that is required to be called successful. The Spruce Goose got airborne.
51 Post contains links Centrair : There are delays in the 787 program. I read it in the Seattle News the other day. It has to do with Alenia in Italy. They are behind but Boeing has se
52 Cleared2Land4 : WOW the 787 could be in commercial service before the A380!
53 Post contains images N751PR : Do we know which month later this year in which the 787 will be doing it's first flight? I'd love to schedule a trip up to SEA to see this beauty fly.
54 Post contains links Aviopic : You are free to post links as well. Yes, so 10 months is little time. 26 and 1 month and yes 10 months is risky but I did not say it could not be don
55 Beaucaire : Not that I dislike Italy - actually it's the contrary- but Boeing should never ever have mandated Alenia to develop vital sections of the 787 . Alani
56 Beech19 : Again... there is NO delay!!! A delay would be the fuesalage NOT showing up the end of March or early April in Everett. Untill that does or doesn't h
57 Beech19 : Again... rollout in July, FF in August and its already scheduled to deliver to ANA April 28th, 2008. Plan your trips now... this will happen.
58 Post contains images Burkhard : If ANA has a 787 in operation on June 1st, 2008, than you really did very very well. If they don't have on September, 1st, will you take the name of B
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