Britannia191A From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 262 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1693 times:
I flew on the WW3508 from BFS to MAN last night, due to arrive at 19:45. We took of at 18:30 and while cruising at FL220, Captain updated us on the progress, height , distance to run (105miles) and weather which was slightly snowing.We then started our descent, As we reached the liverpool area we went around in circles for a little while and maintained a holding altitude. After approx 10mins the captain advised us that MAN was closed due to snow and that we would circle Liverpool(assumed it was Mersi) until it reopened. A short while later he advise us he would divert to LPL due to lack of fuel until the field reopened. We landed at LPL and was parked by the maintenance area, we refuelled and waited for MAN to reopen which it did. We took off at approx 20:20 after being on the ground 30mins.
No other inbounds diverted to LPL.
It seems strange we didnt have enough fuel to hold longer then we did as im sure other inbounds such as the GLA plane and flights after long/medium journeys would also be short on fuel with only enough to hold.
Anyone know why it would be just us.
I must admit the flight from LPL to MAN was fun for such a short flight
EGBJ From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 498 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1685 times:
It is odd that more fuel wasn't carried, especially considering the shortness of the flight. Surely the captain would have known of the snow situation whilst still in BFS and therefore could have uploaded more fuel.
Ryanair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1635 times:
As far as I'm aware MAN wasn't closed last night for any length of time (although it did have light snowfall at around 1945), I heard both inbounds and outbounds going in/out at that time.
I think they might have been sweeping the runway to clear the snow, thus holding has to occur. From your direction you’re correct it is the MIRSI hold. It is possible that they didn't carry enough holding fuel, therefore diverting to Liverpool to re-fuel.
Obviously the Capt wasn’t going to say "We haven't got enough fuel to land at MAN so we're going to fill up at Liverpool instead", that would sound rather odd, and so a little bluffing is perhaps what was said about the field being closed.
Sevenair From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 1728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1592 times:
Well, you need fuel to make it to an alternative, fuel to hold for 30mins at 1500' agl, plus a 5% contingency. They obvioulsly would have had these minimums, probably they forseen that the airport was going to be closed for longer than first envisaged, and thus opted to land.
It is unusual as to why it was just one plane though!
Britannia191A From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1543 times:
Does this sound like that the Captain only requested enough fuel for taxi+trip+taxi and a 20mins holding. I just find it hard to believe that if MAN didnt close teh runway which is what we was told and if he had been advised its just light snow and it would be apparent that it just needed clearing quickly, and runway would be available within 15mins then he clearly didnt take a lot of fuel on board and was flying on the minimum required. I understand that carrying excess fuel cost money but the facts are
18:35 Take off EGAA - Estimated EGCC 19:20
19:00 Descent 105 miles to run
19:10 holding Mersi
19:40 cleared for app LPL
20:25 Departed LPL
20:45 Landed MAN
No other plane diverted to Liverpool. Are BMIBaby asking their crew to fly on the very minimum fuel or did the Captain decide to do this. Sounds like in this instance it was a bit of a costly mistake
i.e Extra landing Charges, more fuel, handling agents charges and an aircraft 1 hr behind schedule
Ryanair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1511 times:
It happens every so often at MAN that an aircraft has to go to Liverpool due to low fuel. Many operators don't take much as a contingency when flying into MAN as holding is infrequent, if holding does occur it's usually no more than 15 mins. On a quiet Sunday evening they probably thought they would make it straight in without holding, obviously due to the snow that wasn't the case, just bad luck.