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Midwest Officially Announces Sea-Tac  
User currently offlinePlaneGuy27 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 314 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3699 times:

Daily Kansas City-Sea Tac service on 717
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070123/cgtu025a.html?.v=1

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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9633 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3683 times:

I didn't expect that. I wonder why they are flying MCI-SEA. They will be competing against WN that already operates the route. I can't imagine it being that big of a market, but obviously Midwest goes for the top end while Southwest goes for the low end.

Also no word on if this is seasonal or not. Leisure wise, SEA is pretty seasonal with a huge summer cruise boat season.



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User currently offlineMke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2457 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3649 times:

I would of thought they would be using the newly aquired MD-80's on this route instead of the 717. I was also thinking MKE rather than MCI, but all in all, good news from YX.


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User currently offlineLN-MOW From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1908 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3641 times:

Good deal! Vanguard had very good loads on SEA-MCI and from what I heard at the time, even the yield was good. But kind of a stretch for the 717, isn't it..?


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User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2910 posts, RR: 30
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3572 times:

Midwest already competes with Southwest from Kansas City nonstop to Orlando, Los Angeles, Tampa and San Diego, and now Seattle will be added to that list. Plus they compete indirectly to SFO versus OAK.

I suspect that we'll see nonstop M80 MKE-SEA run seasonally from late spring into early fall, and that MCI-SEA will be year-round. Kind of like how they are doing SFO. They may not be ready to talk about MKE-SEA if the M80's are not far enough along for a firm service-entry date.


User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6570 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3540 times:

Quoting LN-MOW (Reply 3):
But kind of a stretch for the 717, isn't it..?

Well it can really only do 3.5 hours max in a typical F/Y configuration. Perhaps the YX birds can go a little farther since they only hold 80ish.


User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3413 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3532 times:

I'd also guess that MCI-SEA is a bigger market than MKE-SEA O & D wise (didn't check, just guessing).

User currently offlineDaus From United States of America, joined May 2005, 288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3525 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 5):
Perhaps the YX birds can go a little farther since they only hold 80ish.

Considering the distance of 1489 miles is about 50 more than what Boeing lists the max range of the 717 at, they better hope so. Or people better get used to visiting Idaho.  Smile


User currently offlineN917ME From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 730 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3526 times:

Quoting Knope2001 (Reply 4):
I suspect that we'll see nonstop M80 MKE-SEA

I think you are right


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22982 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3526 times:

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 6):
I'd also guess that MCI-SEA is a bigger market than MKE-SEA O & D wise (didn't check, just guessing

That's true, but it's arguably due to the presence of WN on the route in MCI.



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User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2910 posts, RR: 30
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3481 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 9):
Quoting PVD757 (Reply 6):
I'd also guess that MCI-SEA is a bigger market than MKE-SEA O & D wise (didn't check, just guessing

That's true, but it's arguably due to the presence of WN on the route in MCI.

Here are the average daily one-way passegners between both Kansas City and Milwaukee and Seattle for the last four quarters ended 6/30/06:

Kansas City
Q1 153
Q2 213
Q3 238
Q4 179


Milwaukee
Q1 58
Q2 108
Q3 117
Q4 81

For what it's worth, MKE-SEA's biggest carrier is Northwest, with 50% market share. On MCI-SEA it is Southwest (the only nonstop carrier) and their market share varies from about 35-45%. From season to season they carry about 75-80 local passengers each day, and in summer when the market is largest they have a smaller overall market share.


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12250 posts, RR: 35
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3422 times:
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Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 2):
I was also thinking MKE rather than MCI, but all in all, good news from YX.

Makes for a better connection to ATL  duck 




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User currently offlineAviationAddict From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 619 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3409 times:
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Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 11):

Oh goodness, I can't figure out what it is about potential mergers that gets A.netters all fired up!


When YX released that statement a while back which talked about the new MD-80s and CRJs I believe it said something about "a couple" or "a few" new routes. MCI-SEA and MKE-SEA would obviously be two different routes so I'd imagine they'll introduce service to Seattle from Milwaukee in due time.

[Edited 2007-01-23 16:23:59]

User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12250 posts, RR: 35
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3393 times:
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Quoting AviationAddict (Reply 12):
Oh goodness, I can't figure out what it is about potential mergers that gets A.netters all fired up!

Me neither, hence my smartass remark  Smile



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User currently offlineSkyexramper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3311 times:

You guys can probably look to see some of the MKE-PHL service downgraded to CRJs cause they're never that full. It's a shame YX didn't get funds to get more 717s.

User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3306 times:

Makes a nice alternative to the forthcoming ATL-SEA on FL.......


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User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3296 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 1):
They will be competing against WN that already operates the route.

They don't compete with Southwest. They have a completely different product.


User currently offlineLN-MOW From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1908 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3157 times:

Vanguard's best connection city from SEA was ATL. As a matter of fact, there were consistently more ATL-pax than all other connection cities combined. One would hope Midwest will add an MCI-ATL that will tie in with the SEA flights.


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User currently offlineDeltaDAWG From United States of America, joined May 2006, 776 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3029 times:

Maybe in a couple of months they could upgrade the MCI-SEA from a 717 to a 737! Maybe they could even add some XM radio!

We shall see soon enough!



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User currently offlineN917ME From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 730 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2997 times:

Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 18):
Maybe in a couple of months they could upgrade the MCI-SEA from a 717 to a 737

Why go on a 737, when you can go on a 717, with leather recliners, Best Care Cuisine, baked on board Chocolate Chip Cookies, Digi Players, head/foot rests, and best of all, only 87 other passengers! Who needs XM radio, with more and more people bringing their iPod's on board?


User currently offlineBCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2997 times:

COOL! I think this will be the first 717 SEA has ever seen.  bigthumbsup 

Any word on which Concourse they'll be using? B is my best guess, as there is plenty of room over there with DL's move to the A Concourse.


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9633 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2934 times:

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Reply 20):
Any word on which Concourse they'll be using? B is my best guess, as there is plenty of room over there with DL's move to the A Concourse.

I would guess they would use the gates of whomever does their handling in SEA since they'll only have a single flight. I'll make a stab in the dark and guess that DL would do the handling, so in that case they would use Concourse A.

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 16):
Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 1):
They will be competing against WN that already operates the route.

They don't compete with Southwest. They have a completely different product.

True, but people in SEA have never heard of Midwest Airlines before, so the public might be less informed about the great service and choose the lower fare if they want a nonstop flight.



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User currently offlineCorsair2 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2927 times:

Quoting Knope2001 (Reply 4):
Midwest already competes with Southwest from Kansas City nonstop to Orlando, Los Angeles, Tampa and San Diego, and now Seattle will be added to that list. Plus they compete indirectly to SFO versus OAK.

The competition may be tight, but there is quite a bit of demand by business travelers who want a higher end product. Good move for YX!



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User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1398 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2911 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 21):
True, but people in SEA have never heard of Midwest Airlines before, so the public might be less informed about the great service and choose the lower fare if they want a nonstop flight.

A valid point. Many have stated that this was the reason that MKE-HOU existed but for just a few months.

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User currently offlineMason From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 748 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2899 times:

Why does everyone think that all pax into SEA in the summer are cruise pax? Granted there are a few, but most boats to Alaska leave from Vancouver (ok, a few take the bus up, but if you can afford a cruise, you can afford to fly into YVR). SEA sees more tourists in the summer, but not all are cruise pax. Some are tempted to group SEA with FLL and MIA for cruse pax. This is not true. Please stop labeling SEA as a cruse destination for the summer months. Just like SFO and PDX see more traffic in the summer, these are clearly not cruse destinations.

25 JBo : Poor marketing exacerbated by the Hurricane season. That's more or less what killed MKE-HOU Good luck on the SEA route though. It'll be a stretch for
26 AirTranTUS : Boeing no longer makes the 717, and airlines that are getting rid of them are selling them to FL, who probably pays well for them.
27 AirframeAS : It would be nice to see a 717 in SEA! {Checkmark} I second that!! I think he already knew that, AirTranTUS.
28 Post contains images Searpqx : If I'm not mistaken, nobody in B ground handles anyone else. And aren't all the (domestic) shared gates over in A now?
29 ERJ170 : Let's see, Midwest said 6+ new destinations? 2 down (DLH and SEA).. 4+ more to go.. Midwest said 12 new routes.. I think this makes 2 (DLH-MKE, SEA-MC
30 Doug_Or : Rumors are EWR and MSP initaly.
31 RoseFlyer : I know it isn't everyone, but still is a significant difference. SEA is a big tourist town in the summer, but it can also be tied in to cruise traffi
32 Pilotfox : What about MCI-MSP? I stumbled across a few YX schedules last year with it on it, but it never came to be.
33 WDBRR : Too bad they didn't do MKE-SEA, SEA-MCI-MKE. I think it would be a better utilization of an aircraft, do a circle trip so both cities would have a non
34 JBo : They currently cannot do SEA-MKE as it is simply out-of-range for the 717 or the current MD-80s. Once they get the two new MD-88s online, then we may
35 Cubsrule : This is probably a route where a somewhat tighter connection with NW could be exploited. For an outstation, SEA does have a fair number of NW loyalis
36 Boeing7E7 : MKE to SEA - 1472nm OEW + 88 pax payload = 90,000 ZFW Range at 90,000 ZFW (MTOW 114,000) - 1,750 nm
37 Gunsontheroof : FINALLY! I've been waiting to see the 717 at SEA since it took to the air. Nice additions to the non-stop resumes of both airports too. *Edit* Reading
38 Skyexramper : Thanks AirframeAS for saying it for me. Seeing as how YX has like the 2nd to last 717 produced, but thanks for responding.
39 Asqx : Continental, Hawaiian and Jetblue all contract out their ramp services. Most of the available shared gates are in the South Sattelite, as the other c
40 Knope2001 : I think the key is that Midwest doesn't have *enough* M80 to fly MKE-SEA and that it is out of range for the 717. --Their two M88's which are best su
41 AirframeAS : I disagree with you. AS has done the SEA-Toronto in the late 80's/early 90's with the M82/83 without any problems.
42 Sideflare75 : See Knope's post previous to yours. Midwest only has 2 -88's and 3 -82's which are already spoken for on other routes. The -81's will not make it. Th
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