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IR To Start THR-CCS Flights  
User currently offlineIAD380 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4583 times:

A website called IranMania reports that IR plans to start direct flights between THR and CCS with a new A340 on March 1, 2007. The article does not say how many times a week this flight will operate, or whether it is a nonstop or one-stop flight.

I am surprised the first regularly scheduled route between the Middle East and South America is THR-CCS. Is this likely to be a profitable route?

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User currently offlineCurious From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4563 times:

A brand new A340 for IR?

User currently offlineEuroBonus From Denmark, joined Nov 2004, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4545 times:

It is no surprise if you followed the recent news from Venezuela and Iran. Venezuela and Iran are knitting close ties these days. Iran started up automotive industry in Venezuela, and Venezuela selling cheap oil to Iran, etc. Whether the route will be profitable or not, it is all about two good friends, Ahmadinejad and Chávez.

User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4543 times:

Wow that would be great !

Great to see the Venezuelan - Iranian relations so good !

But doubt they get a 340 ...

As Chavez and Ahmadineyad have signed new agreements (health,Infrastructure,Oil , etc) of about 19 bill. Dollars
a route between this countries could be profitable .

Hope this is true !

Konstantin


User currently offlineIAD380 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4546 times:

Quoting Curious (Reply 1):
A brand new A340 for IR?

The article says that IR will "be using new Airbus 340s" on this route.


User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4546 times:

Quoting EuroBonus (Reply 2):
nd Venezuela selling cheap oil to Iran

The Iranians don´t need cheap oil , they´ve enough .


User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4531 times:

Quoting IAD380 (Thread starter):
Is this likely to be a profitable route?

it could be if there will be a lot of business traffic.

Will this be operated by a Venezuelan carrier with IR code on it?

where will IR get an A340 from?

Drew



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User currently offlineGte439u From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 361 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4521 times:

When will we see around-the-world service on IR from THR stopping in DAM, CCS and FNJ?

[Edited 2007-01-23 23:11:06]

User currently offlineIAD380 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4509 times:

Quoting KL808 (Reply 7):
Will this be operated by a Venezuelan carrier with IR code on it?

According to the article, IR will operate this flight.

Quoting KL808 (Reply 7):
where will IR get an A340 from?

The article does not say.


User currently offlineViasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1870 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4500 times:

What's about the "Conviasa" A340?  boxedin 


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User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4501 times:

Quoting IAD380 (Reply 9):
According to the article, IR will operate this flight.

Well maybe the conviasa planes , I think because of the embargo Iran can not lease or buy an Airbus or Boeing


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17355 posts, RR: 46
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4460 times:

That won't make a dime Silly ...assuming it ever actually flies.


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User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4463 times:

This is how it would look like :

http://xs311.xs.to/xs311/07042/tttt.jpg


User currently offlineIAD380 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4448 times:

The article does not provide a lot of detailed information about these new flights. Your questions about the A340 lead to question whether all the information in the article is accurate.

User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4362 times:

Quoting EuroBonus (Reply 2):
Venezuela selling cheap oil to Iran, etc. Whether the route will be profitable or not, it is all about two good friends, Ahmadinejad and Chávez.

Iran has to import oil? I'm going to have to doubt that one.

Quoting IAD380 (Reply 5):
The article says that IR will "be using new Airbus 340s" on this route.

I would imagine that their 747SP's could make this flight... but are they even allowed to buy a new A340... where would they get access to simulators, spare parts, etc....

Wierd.



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User currently offlineKiramakora From Argentina, joined Aug 2006, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4334 times:

Quoting IAD380 (Thread starter):
I am surprised the first regularly scheduled route between the Middle East and South America is THR-CCS. Is this likely to be a profitable route?

This is factually incorrect. Both MEA and Iraqi Airways connected Mid-East with South America AFAIR.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4301 times:

Quoting EuroBonus (Reply 2):
Venezuela selling cheap oil to Iran, etc.

Yeah, that isn't an issue, given that Iran's oil reserves are larger than Venezuela's.



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User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5075 posts, RR: 55
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4247 times:

Bringing the topic back to civil aviation:

If IR does go for this link, do y'all think that:

a/ there will be an intermediate stop?
b/ where would it be?

What about a link like: THR-TIP-CCS or even THR-LAD-CCS?!

Cheers,
A.



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User currently offlineUnitedTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4218 times:

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 26):
a/ there will be an intermediate stop?
b/ where would it be?

What about a link like: THR-TIP-CCS or even THR-LAD-CCS?!

How about THR HAV CCS? or THR YUL CCS?  Smile

-m

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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5922 posts, RR: 40
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 4085 times:

Quoting EuroBonus (Reply 2):
and Venezuela selling cheap oil to Iran



Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 14):
Iran has to import oil? I'm going to have to doubt that one.

maybe Chavez has to import some oil here to venezuela as he is given away the venezulean oil for nothing..... to our friends Cuba, etc....

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 17):
THR-LAD-CCS?!

would be to south.....


anyway, I will try IR on my next germany visit.... CCS-THR-FRA  Smile



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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11615 posts, RR: 60
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 4062 times:

Could it perhaps be a misunderstanding; could they mean IL-96 and not A340, as to an untrained eye they are similar in both appearance and description?

Would be a very interesting route if it goes ahead!

Dan Smile



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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 4046 times:

It reminds me of the old Soviet bloc "prestige" flights of the 1960's and 1970's...I would imagine oil money will definitely "subsidize" the flights, if they occur.

Iran has been unable to buy either Boeing or Airbus planes because of the embargo of American parts. An A340 could be wet-leased the way that Cubana has done with DC-8's and more recently, DC-10's.

btw, if you do a direct routing on the Great Circle Mapper, CCS-IKA practically overflies Lisbon, Madrid, Rome, Greece, & Istanbul.



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User currently offlineBSBIsland From Brazil, joined Jul 2005, 376 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4012 times:

Sorry, but this seems to be very nonsense to me...I will just believe when I see it happening, and in that case I will be VERY surprised.
I can´t imagine that the social and economic relations (apart from political) between the two countries are so strong that can make such flight reasonable. (I could be wrong, of course...). Are there that much people traveling between Venezuela and Iran???
CCS seems to be the strongest market in northern South America/Caribbean with several European and North American airlines but IranAir is just too nonsense...

[Edited 2007-01-24 04:38:41]

User currently offlinePzurita1 From Greenland, joined Sep 2002, 1392 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3955 times:

Quoting BSBIsland (Reply 22):
Sorry, but this seems to be very nonsense to me

It is also nonsense to me, but you never know what these two governments are capable of doing. If this flight is really happening, subsidesed or not, I am sure to buy a ticket. I cannot think of any other more exotic route in the Americas.

Who wants to join me in a one week trip to Iran. Come on guys! I am serious (I just wish these news are also serious).

PZ



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User currently offlineKdonohue From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3936 times:

If it's true that Iran can't purchase or lease Airbus or Boeing aircraft, why does Mahan operate some A-320s?

25 Magyarorszag : Indeed. I don't remember, has the the ex. NM A343 found a new operator already ? It would look nice, even if almost all white. Of course not, but the
26 MIAMIx707 : That Conviasa A340 looks cool, so Iran Air could be getting that one? Hey I love what you say in your signature, one of the most foolish things I've e
27 Abrelosojos : = Lets focus on aviation ... -A.
28 LHStarAlliance : Hehe , poor guy ...
29 NorthstarBoy : Iraqi Airways did indeed operate to South America in it's heyday, i remember from reading the OAG as a kid, there was a four stop flight on a 707, i t
30 OA260 : Indeed !! The Russians just sold anti missile equiptment to Iran. I think the route would be quite popular. Increase in trade between THR and CCS and
31 Curious : I doubt IranAir taking a IL96 they have had this option for along time and have never been interested in Russian Equipment. How About Madrid as a stop
32 Post contains images Solnabo : Tehran - Caracas with Iran Air and A340?? If they´re to go A340, it have to be the -200, where are they to find them? Conviasa and Royale Brunei´s?
33 BuyantUkhaa : Yes, Lisbon was already a tech stop for the Cubana flights going to Islamabad until about a year ago. If we're talking about a mere refuelling stop,
34 A342 : Just one thing: the distance is 11772 km, which makes it do-able for the IR 747SP.
35 Post contains links Luisde8cd : Old News. RE: Caracas-Tehran Soon With Conviasa? (by 777way Aug 9 2006 in Civil Aviation) Saludos desde Caracas, Luis
36 IAD380 : If I remember correctly, the routing was BGW-AMM-LIS-RIO. THR-YUL-CSS would probably need to overfly the United States on its way from YUL to CCS. Ho
37 SYDBCN : For political reasons i can see this flight starting. And then i can see it disappearing after just 6 months, even less. Even EK would have to think t
38 LipeGIG : If CCS-THE keep the same range of business as Rio-Bagda in the past so i believe this route will be profitable. During the 80's Brazil use to sell se
39 RAFVC10 : The Conviasa Airbus A340 is now painted in full new livery Air Comet Spanish airline and awaiting ferry flight from TLS to MAD.
40 CayMan : Highly unlikely Cdn govt would ever allow this, and bilaterals likely do not permit it. And if it were to be via Canada YYZ is much more likely--more
41 Post contains images HBIHLtoEZE : Would that be the only nonstop flight from the Middle East to South America? I understand that EK is starting routes to Brazil (and Argentina?) soon..
42 Ushermittwoch : Just as an FYI to all y'all energy experts here: Iran does need oil, since they have mismanaged their oil drilling technology so badly that they will
43 Post contains images Dambuster : Of what I've heard those are 2nd hand A340-313X... and they'll get 2 of them as "Hamshahri" claims, so it should be enough to go THR-CCS non stop... d
44 MIAMIx707 : In what years was this? Apparently they also flew to JFK for a time. Saddam has been in Cuba before, did Iraqi ever fly to HAV? Couldn't the 747SP be
45 Curious : Incorrect. Iran still produces 4 million bpd and it will increase that to 5 in the next few years. Iran has no need for energy it has about 10% of th
46 A342 : Range - yes, capacity - no.
47 Magyarorszag : It may have the range, but it's not the ideal aircraft, and its becoming real old. Too expensive. If IR can get its hand on A340s by a way or another
48 LHStarAlliance : Maybe Chavez buys one and Leases it to IR , as the Venezuela embargo is just on weapons .
49 BlueFlyer : It's Iran and Venezuela we're talking about.... I believe they're more concerned about the message this is going to send to the Devil and his minion
50 Post contains images Magyarorszag : Indeed.
51 Post contains images BuyantUkhaa : They were humanitarian aid flights after the big North Pakistan earthquake. I used to see them here in LIS usually once a week, mostly with Il-62 but
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