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Where Will Spirit Go Next?  
User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3213 times:

With its 30 plane order and confirmed plans for expansion into Latin America and the Caribbean....where do they have on their radar?

Some possibilities: POS, BGI, SAP, SJO, BZE?

Despite what they say about not wanting to compete with American, you don't go into cities such as PAP without the plan to do so.

I think they will have success as AA has gouged us for long enough! Come to BZE pleeeeeeeseeeeeee!


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3185 times:

I don't see why you think that Spirit would bring any fare relief to Belize. They are not a low fare airline and their fares, outside of promotional, are not cheap on international flights. In addition Spirit service to Belize or any similar niche market would likely not be more than weekend service.

[Edited 2007-01-24 17:39:59]


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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3144 times:

Quoting Yellowtail (Thread starter):
With its 30 plane order and confirmed plans for expansion into Latin America and the Caribbean....where do they have on their radar?

Some possibilities: POS, BGI, SAP, SJO, BZE?

Despite what they say about not wanting to compete with American, you don't go into cities such as PAP without the plan to do so.

I think they will have success as AA has gouged us for long enough! Come to BZE pleeeeeeeseeeeeee!

I do know Spirit just hired, or is in the process of hiring, twenty-four new customer service representatives at Fort Lauderdale (I know this because I applied, and interviewed, unsuccessfully to be one of them). When I asked whether this was for growth or turnover reasons, they specifically said it was for growth, although short of adding another bank in each direction, I'm not sure where they can find the real estate, and I certainly wasn't going to follow up about that in a job interview to an HR employee who probably had no clue, being that all that would do was land me a rejection letter (which was exactly what I got anyway). Regardless, however, I have to admit that Spirit's side of that story didn't exactly check-out.



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User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2482 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3121 times:

NK should have started FLL-MEX last year according to their original plan and just before AM restarted operations. The MEX-South Florida market has been growing a lot in both business and leisure traffic. Today, NK could be a consolidated carrier in this market, but now thinks look tougher, since AM is running the FLL flight and MX has one more daily non-stop which gives us:

MEX-MIA/FLL
4x AM non-stop + 1 via MID
3x AA non-stop.
3x MX non-stop + 3 via CUN

2006 Real State figures were released today and Mexicans bought almost 16,000 properties (condos and houses) in Miami Dada and Broward Counties which is twice what Mexicans bought in 2005. I guess NK does not pay attention to this figures.

Last thing I heard in Mexico about NK was that TLC airport approached the airline and offered them incentives (cheap landing fees for the airline and cheap airport tax for its passengers) in order to start TLC-FLL. But I don't know if this will help land a deal with NK... the had their opportunity and they let it go...


User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3420 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3073 times:

FPO seems like an obvious choice to me. I could see Cozumel (better than the AA AT7 service) in the future.

SJO, BZE, and GUA could work - I just not sure if NK sees those as priorities.

AUA comes to mind too.

I'd agree with many of the others already posted (POS, BGI, etc.).


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2982 times:

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 4):
SJO, BZE, and GUA could work - I just not sure if NK sees those as priorities.

San Jose was announced today. 3x weekly at first, but will go daily in late May.

Two more destinations will be announced within a few weeks, though I am not sure if that includes Caracas, for which they still need Venezuelan approval. Spirit plans on adding 4-6 new destinations from Ft. Lauderdale in the November/December time period.



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User currently offlineViaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2143 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2884 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
I don't see why you think that Spirit would bring any fare relief to Belize. They are not a low fare airline

Really? No offense, but perhaps you're making up your own criteria. NK is clearly a low-cost/no-frills/discount carrier. And to further suggest that their hypothetical entry into markets lacking any significant competition (such as BZE and others in its vicinity) just wouldn't "bring any fare relief" from years of systematic gouging is preposterous.



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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2841 times:

Quoting Viaggiare (Reply 6):
Really? No offense, but perhaps you're making up your own criteria. NK is clearly a low-cost/no-frills/discount carrier. And to further suggest that their hypothetical entry into markets lacking any significant competition (such as BZE and others in its vicinity) just wouldn't "bring any fare relief" from years of systematic gouging is preposterous.

Thanks for hitting my nail on its head!



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2822 times:

Quoting Viaggiare (Reply 6):

Really? No offense, but perhaps you're making up your own criteria. NK is clearly a low-cost/no-frills/discount carrier. And to further suggest that their hypothetical entry into markets lacking any significant competition (such as BZE and others in its vicinity) just wouldn't "bring any fare relief" from years of systematic gouging is preposterous.

No, Spirit is not a low-fare airline. They are a low-cost airline with low operating costs. Learn the difference. They offer great promotional fares, and if you buy in advance enough you can get great deals, but otherwise nothing very special.

Also, there is no market for anything more than two, maybe three, flights a week on FLL-BZE. That would barely be a dent in the market.



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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2748 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
Also, there is no market for anything more than two, maybe three, flights a week on FLL-BZE. That would barely be a dent in the mark

That is where I think you are wrong my friend....AA flies double daily to MIA....and MOST of it is BELIZEAN traffic going to family/shopping in the MIA, FLL and TPA area....

a well timed flight to FLL would definitely work..I know quite a few local businessmen who live in FLL and commute to Belize (in M out F)....they campaigned US hard to start it..even offering to part subsidize the flight to make their lives easier.......



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2738 times:

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 9):
That is where I think you are wrong my friend....AA flies double daily to MIA....and MOST of it is BELIZEAN traffic going to family/shopping in the MIA, FLL and TPA area....

Most of AA's MIA-BZE traffic is American tourists. Of course, during off-peak periods the composition of Belizean/Americans changes more in favour of Belizeans, but it is not mainly Belize residents.

[Edited 2007-01-25 21:40:45]


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User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3308 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2723 times:

It would be nice to see NK expand service to the caribbean from DTW. NWA hasn't shown much interest in the region. They have the infrastructure in place in a number of the outstations, adding a second daily flight would only increase the utilization of assets.

User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2685 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
Most of AA's MIA-BZE traffic is American tourists. Of course, during off-peak periods the composition of Belizean/Americans changes more in favour of Belizeans, but it is not mainly Belize residents.

NO it is not....just went outside, up to the viewing deck, in the drizzle and did a quick count getting on and off the second flight to prove my point....8 tourists coming in.....13 going out...in fact there were more european pax (who live in belize) getting on than tourists.

AA tries to route the tourist traffic these mostly through DFW and with US from CLT, CO from EWR and DL from ATL...all the tourist traffic from Northern/Eastern USA bleeds off before it reaches MIA......and a lot go through IAH.......



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2661 times:

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 12):
NO it is not....just went outside, up to the viewing deck, in the drizzle and did a quick count getting on and off the second flight to prove my point....8 tourists coming in.....13 going out...in fact there were more european pax (who live in belize) getting on than tourists.

Yes, it is. You can observe it all you want, the fact is I've seen the data, and the flight is mainly US-originating. And give me a break, as if you can just look at people and say "oh, they are European, they are American, they are...". Sorry, doesn't work that way.



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4718 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2651 times:

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 11):
It would be nice to see NK expand service to the caribbean from DTW

I always thought this routing would be good:

A/C 1 - LAX(redye)-DTW-PVD-SJU-FLL-PVD
A/C 2 - PVD-FLL-SJU-PVD-DTW-LAX

Gives PVD n/s SJU and DTW back, gives DTW direct SJU, all while providing excellent a/c utilization



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User currently offlineDTWAGENT From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2598 times:

Well with the new aircraft on order, they could be planning on expanding to the west coast from DTW. They could go to year round on DTW/SFO and add flights to LAS, LAX and start new DTW/SAN flights. Also, DTW/DEN flights could be in the works as well as DTW/PHX. They could even add more flightst to CUN, Cozumel, Grand Cayman or even MBJ or St. Lucia. They would not be ordering more aircraft if they where not planning on expanding their route system.

Chuck


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2579 times:

Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 15):
Well with the new aircraft on order, they could be planning on expanding to the west coast from DTW. They could go to year round on DTW/SFO and add flights to LAS, LAX and start new DTW/SAN flights. Also, DTW/DEN flights could be in the works as well as DTW/PHX. They could even add more flightst to CUN, Cozumel, Grand Cayman or even MBJ or St. Lucia. They would not be ordering more aircraft if they where not planning on expanding their route system.

They wouldn't, but I'd be willing to bet Detroit will not play a major role in expansion.



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User currently offlineViaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2143 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2463 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
No, Spirit is not a low-fare airline. They are a low-cost airline with low operating costs. Learn the difference.



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 13):
You can observe it all you want, the fact is I've seen the data, and the flight is mainly US-originating. And give me a break, as if you can just look at people and say "oh, they are European, they are American, they are...".

Apart from the dismissive and arrogantly presumptuous tone of these replies, you seem to be hung up on that meaningless and inconsequential LCC vs. LFC terminological discussion.

Bottom line is LCCs typically have lower fares than their legacy counterparts, especially in terms of last-minute and walk-up fares. Whatever the case may be, however, expecting any carrier to consistently come up with the least (or the most) expensive fares is somewhat naive.

NK's new service to SJO will unquestionably result in more choices and competitive fares for us. And the same would be true for Belizeans if/when BZE eventually shows up on their route map. Experience has shown that, absent the mere presence of an LCC in a particular market, low fares simply don't exist, or only exist in very limited numbers for advance purchase travelers.



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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2413 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 13):
Yes, it is. You can observe it all you want, the fact is I've seen the data, and the flight is mainly US-originating. And give me a break, as if you can just look at people and say "oh, they are European, they are American, they are...". Sorry, doesn't work that way.

US originating...but they are ALL Belizeans living there.......

Trust me I have been in the tourist business all long time..I can tell the difference between a belizean, tourist, transplant and BelAm (Belizean American).



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User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2397 times:

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 11):
It would be nice to see NK expand service to the caribbean from DTW. NWA hasn't shown much interest in the region.

I agree with you here. If there's a gaping hole in DTW's service, it's to the Caribbean. I wonder if they've wanted to do that in the past but couldn't because of lack of facilities at DTW. They would have to deplane at the Berry Terminal and then tow the plane back over to the Smith terminal to reload. I wouldn't be surprised to see them maybe dedicate one or two aircraft a day to do some DTW Caribbean destinations maybe a few times a week to multiple destinations once the new terminal is completed.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16):
They wouldn't, but I'd be willing to bet Detroit will not play a major role in expansion.

I agree also. Their last expansion flights out of DTW have appeared to fail in BOS and PVD. I think we're seeing them define themselves as a choice for leisure destinations in the Caribbean as opposed to trying to pick off some apples in the business markets out of DTW.

I'm not sure how profitable it would be, but it would be nice to see them run some midsized cities flights to FLL to connect to their International destinations when they get some more gate space.


User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2385 times:

Hopefully we will see NK in FPO,KIN,POP,MGA and maybe STX  Smile


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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2355 times:

Don't Nk already serve KIN? or was that MBJ?


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User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5130 posts, RR: 55
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2348 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
No, Spirit is not a low-fare airline. They are a low-cost airline with low operating costs. Learn the difference. They offer great promotional fares, and if you buy in advance enough you can get great deals, but otherwise nothing very special.

= I have to agree on this one. In fact, outside their pennies promotion that are severly direction restricted, I do not NK fares to be anything significant than what the majors offer. True, when a new destination is launched, initial fares are low (basic marketing theory), but they are quick to rise to industry level. Do a search on ppular destinations and you will see what I mean.

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 12):
8 tourists coming in.....13 going out...in fact there were more european pax (who live in belize) getting on than tourists.

= Fascinating.

Wasn't there rumor of the next NK destination being LIM via PTY or something like that?

Cheers,
A.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2330 times:

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 22):

Wasn't there rumor of the next NK destination being LIM via PTY or something like that?

Lima is planned non-stop. An A319 can do FLL-LIM easily.

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 22):

= I have to agree on this one. In fact, outside their pennies promotion that are severly direction restricted, I do not NK fares to be anything significant than what the majors offer. True, when a new destination is launched, initial fares are low (basic marketing theory), but they are quick to rise to industry level. Do a search on ppular destinations and you will see what I mean.

Exactly, and many people fail to realize this. The fact is that one daily A319 flight is going to do very little to bring any fare relief. And Spirit does not cap their fares, either. If it is the holidays, they will charge you $600-$800 round-trip. No $299 cap like many others.



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