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What Is Going On At LBA Today?  
User currently offlineSam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 4202 times:

I notice on the LBA departures and arrivals boards that since midday, most flights have been cancelled or diverted; the last departure being TOM5993 to ACE at 11:28 and the last arrival being BD412 from LHR at 12:08.

On the BD website it says flights have been affected due to an "aircraft incident".

Can anyone provide more information?


Next flights: LGW-LBA-LGW, LHR-SIN-SYD, SYD-BKK-LHR, LGW-GRO, GRO-CIA, CIA-MAD, MAD-LGW
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User currently offlineCV580Freak From Bahrain, joined Jul 2005, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 4191 times:

Quoting Sam1987 (Thread starter):
BD412 from LHR at 12:08

Might have something to do with above. See earlier other post...



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User currently offlineSam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 4150 times:

Quoting CV580Freak (Reply 1):
See earlier other post...

Which post? Can you link it please?



Next flights: LGW-LBA-LGW, LHR-SIN-SYD, SYD-BKK-LHR, LGW-GRO, GRO-CIA, CIA-MAD, MAD-LGW
User currently offlineEGBJ From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 498 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 4142 times:

I think a BD airbus burst a tyre on landing from LHR

User currently offlineACEtraveller From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 4109 times:

I have heard an aircraft is 'blocking' the runway, which would tie in with the above comment. Not heard anything more specific though

User currently offlineCapital146 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2125 posts, RR: 43
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 4101 times:

BD412, an A319 from LHR, had all main landing gear tyres burst on landing today. Came to a halt whilst still on the runway, causing all arrivals and departures to be halted for a number of hours.


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User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3958 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 4074 times:

Have the timings changed? When I was a lad BD412 used to be the morning arrival about 0930 and BD414 used to be the dinner time one, or maybe it was just very late.

 confused 

R


User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 4060 times:

BD A319 came in too hard, burst tires, meaning closed runway, meaning LBA delays. Big grin

User currently offlineEGBJ From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 498 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 4060 times:

Must have been a VERY hard landing. I've witnessed some screamers with no damage to any parts of the plane.

User currently offlineRyanair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 4015 times:

That must have been quite a cruncher, not as uncommon as you would think though to have a tire burst, although losing all four is quite an achievement to say the least!

737


User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3976 times:

LBA is a very uneven runway, with quite a big slope, i always wonder how easy it is to land on it, and i doubt it would be that difficult to cock it up

User currently offlineSam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 3929 times:

Quoting BA787 (Reply 11):
LBA is a very uneven runway, with quite a big slope, i always wonder how easy it is to land on it, and i doubt it would be that difficult to cock it up

Anybody know whether it was LBA based crew who were flying it?

Surely they would know how to land at LBA....



Next flights: LGW-LBA-LGW, LHR-SIN-SYD, SYD-BKK-LHR, LGW-GRO, GRO-CIA, CIA-MAD, MAD-LGW
User currently offlineRyanair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 3888 times:

Quoting BA787 (Reply 11):
LBA is a very uneven runway, with quite a big slope, i always wonder how easy it is to land on it, and i doubt it would be that difficult to cock it up

Speaking from experience eh? When did you last land an A319?

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 12):
Anybody know whether it was LBA based crew who were flying it?

Nope, it was a LHR domestic flight. Its LHR based crew, not that makes a difference.

737


User currently offlineSam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 3863 times:

Quoting Ryanair737 (Reply 12):
Nope, it was a LHR domestic flight

I spoke to the crew after a BD flight from LHR to LBA once, and they were all LBA based (all they ever did was the shuttle runs to LHR and the occasional charter flight via LGW).

I just wondered whether today's service was operated by crew from another base rather than the usual LBA based crew.



Next flights: LGW-LBA-LGW, LHR-SIN-SYD, SYD-BKK-LHR, LGW-GRO, GRO-CIA, CIA-MAD, MAD-LGW
User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 3835 times:

If you look on the "disallowed" website beginning with the letter J then you can see a photo of the aircraft at LBA after it's emergency landing!

The aircraft in the incident was G-DBCI


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Such a beautiful scheme  Smile

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24961 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 3793 times:

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 13):
I spoke to the crew after a BD flight from LHR to LBA once, and they were all LBA based (all they ever did was the shuttle runs to LHR and the occasional charter flight via LGW).

LHR based crew.
All LHR-EDI/GLA/ABZ/INV/MME/LBA/BHD flights are operated by BMI LHR based crew and a/c, despite what the LBA fans would have you believe  Wink



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User currently offlineSam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3664 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 15):
All LHR-EDI/GLA/ABZ/INV/MME/LBA/BHD flights are operated by BMI LHR based crew and a/c, despite what the LBA fans would have you believe

Are you sure? Because the pilots said they were LBA based and one of them even had a Yorkshire accent!

I was also reading a trip report on here a while ago from a BD flight from EDI to LHR and the crew were MAN based (they were doing MAN - LHR - EDI - LHR - MAN)



Next flights: LGW-LBA-LGW, LHR-SIN-SYD, SYD-BKK-LHR, LGW-GRO, GRO-CIA, CIA-MAD, MAD-LGW
User currently offlineRyanair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3635 times:

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 16):
Are you sure? Because the pilots said they were LBA based and one of them even had a Yorkshire accent!

I was also reading a trip report on here a while ago from a BD flight from EDI to LHR and the crew were MAN based (they were doing MAN - LHR - EDI - LHR - MAN)

Yes we are sure, the above you have said would have been Embraer pilots based at LBA/MAN. These were Airbus pilots based at Heathrow which of course is where all the 319s/320s are based.

They are Heathrow based, ok!  Smile

737


User currently offlineSam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3597 times:

Quoting Ryanair737 (Reply 17):
Yes we are sure, the above you have said would have been Embraer pilots based at LBA/MAN. These were Airbus pilots based at Heathrow which of course is where all the 319s/320s are based.

They are Heathrow based, ok!

Still don't believe you! I know the aircraft are based at LHR, but there are two sets of Airbus flight deck crews based at LBA (hence BD Airbus aircraft often fly charters at weekends from LBA via LGW).

That's what the Yorkshire sounding FO told me anyway!

Are you telling me BD pay for hotels for LHR based crew to overnight at LBA every single night?!



Next flights: LGW-LBA-LGW, LHR-SIN-SYD, SYD-BKK-LHR, LGW-GRO, GRO-CIA, CIA-MAD, MAD-LGW
User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3926 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3579 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 15):
LHR based crew.
All LHR-EDI/GLA/ABZ/INV/MME/LBA/BHD flights are operated by BMI LHR based crew and a/c, despite what the LBA fans would have you believe

As far as I know the crew on LBA-LHR are Leeds based. The aircraft overnights in Leeds, not LHR. BD420 is the final flight of the day that aircraft does, and its a LHR-LBA run.

I fly on this service regularly(BD 419) and the cabin crew are certainly LBA based, I asked them! Im flying tomorrow, so just to be sure Ill ask again, and also about the flight crew!

Brian.



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User currently offlineFlyingColours From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2315 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3555 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 14):

Pics on here now too chief


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Photo © BT777



Phil
FlyingColours



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User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3527 times:

Quoting Ryanair737 (Reply 12):
Speaking from experience eh? When did you last land an A319?

I was speaking as one of the many spotters who stands at the graveyard end of the runway, looking up, and it is uneven.  Yeah sure

As for the accident, the local rag was proclaiming the pilot as a hero, although unless it was the a/c's fault, how can he be a hero Big grin.

Admittedly, that runway does look like a nightmare to land on, bet in the wet its hard to stop if you land at the top of the slope


User currently offlineSam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3499 times:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 19):
I'm flying tomorrow, so just to be sure I'll ask again, and also about the flight crew!

Thanks!



Next flights: LGW-LBA-LGW, LHR-SIN-SYD, SYD-BKK-LHR, LGW-GRO, GRO-CIA, CIA-MAD, MAD-LGW
User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3926 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3489 times:

I might add at this poin that my experiences of landings at LBA have not been especially pretty. Usually "positive contact" and lots of breaking, reverse, etc, etc. (AND if its FR a final dose of breaking to make the turnoff! bigthimbsup  seems to be SOP systemwide tho!)

The last time I arrived into LBA (on an RE ATR 72-201) we had what can only be described as a "firm" landing. The "were gonna need new gear" kind of firm. I know ATRs can be a bit "unforgiving" but this was "OMG weve been shot down"

Looking back I have to think it was the runway, as RE are usually pretty smooth (more cycles, more practice,I guess???). Even at ORK the landings are usually "kisses" rather than "thumps". Ive noticed that on longer runways(like ORK BHX DUB LBA) RE pilots tend to allow the a/c to float in order to get the landings right as the ATR stops pretty sarpish anyway!

That said, the A319 was either very heavy or hit the deck HARD to burst all four tyres?



Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3459 times:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 23):
That said, the A319 was either very heavy or hit the deck HARD to burst all four tyres?

hence me thinking the declaration of the captain a hero was wide of the mark.

Credit to him, he aint got an easy job, but he aint no hero


User currently offlineRyanair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 25, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3435 times:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 19):
As far as I know the crew on LBA-LHR are Leeds based. The aircraft overnights in Leeds, not LHR. BD420 is the final flight of the day that aircraft does, and its a LHR-LBA run.

I fly on this service regularly(BD 419) and the cabin crew are certainly LBA based, I asked them! Im flying tomorrow, so just to be sure Ill ask again, and also about the flight crew!

Fair enough I stand corrected.

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 23):
I might add at this poin that my experiences of landings at LBA have not been especially pretty. Usually "positive contact" and lots of breaking, reverse, etc, etc.

You would usually find that is commonplace at any field with the similar length of runway that LBA has.

737


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