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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4084 times:
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American Airlines will run on the summer almost the same network size as it use to run on the winter to Brazil.

GIG-MIA.. 12x weekly (gets 5x more weekly services)
GRU-DFW.. 12x weekly (gets 5x more weekly services)
GRU-MIA... 21x weekly
GIG-GRU-JFK... 7x weekly

It means 50 weekly flights, and as UA keep 21 frequencies, DL more 21 and CO 14, and also there are 2 unallocated frequencies, AA will fly 3 additional weekly flights (DL will also run 7 weekly extra-flights during the summer).

For the first time on the last 3 years we will see additional frequencies during the summer, and US Airlines flying more than 105 weekly frequencies (remember UA do not runs one of the flights during the summer).

GIG-MIA additional flights will also help to take care of the additional demand during the Pan American Games, this year in Rio.

It's another strong confirmation that the bilateral need to be upgraded urgently.


Felipe


New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
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User currently offlineBaron95 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1335 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3981 times:

When are the Pan Am games exactly? Start/End.


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User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1060 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3973 times:

Lipe,

Will these extra 5 MIA-GIG flights be flown all year long or it just another seasonal upgrade?



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User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5100 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3973 times:

Quoting Baron95 (Reply 1):
When are the Pan Am games exactly? Start/End.

= They are being held between July 13 and 29th. I will be there. More info can be found at: http://www.cob.org.br/pan2007/ingles/indexing.asp.

See you in Rio!

Cheers,
A.



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User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1060 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3946 times:

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 3):
= They are being held between July 13 and 29th. I will be there. More info can be found at: http://www.cob.org.br/pan2007/ingles....asp.

Apparently this link ain't working (at least in my PC) but this one is:

http://www.rio2007.org.br/pan2007/ingles/indexing.asp

 Big grin Big grin



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User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5100 posts, RR: 55
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3935 times:

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 3):
http://www.cob.org.br/pan2007/ingles/indexing.asp.



Quoting AF086 (Reply 4):
Apparently this link ain't working (at least in my PC) but this one is:

= Its not only your PC ... mine too  Smile ... and thats because I am stupid and included a period after the link. Here it is again:

http://www.cob.org.br/pan2007/ingles/indexing.asp

Cheers,
A.



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User currently offlineBaron95 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1335 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3916 times:

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 3):
They are being held between July 13 and 29th.

Fraq. Is a lot of US-Brazil traffic expected for these games?



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User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5100 posts, RR: 55
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3914 times:

Quoting Baron95 (Reply 6):
Fraq. Is a lot of US-Brazil traffic expected for these games?

= What is "Fraq"? No, I dont think the Panam games generates much interest in the U.S. I could be wrong. However, Brasil is one of the most amazing places to visit in the Americas and more can never be bad  Smile.

Cheers,
A.



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8964 posts, RR: 40
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3884 times:

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 7):
No, I dont think the Panam games generates much interest in the U.S.

Me neither. It's gonna be mostly athletes, their organizing team or whatever you call them, and a few spectators.

Most who come will probably be for Soccer games, and that's coming from Argentina the most and of course domestic.

And of course at least one Venezuelan will be attending

[Edited 2007-01-26 05:07:56]


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User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5100 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3867 times:

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 8):
And of course at least one Venezuelan will be attending

=  Smile ... even more random ... I am going to bet, I will be the only one with a Liechtenstein passport attending the games  Smile.

Cheers,
A.

PS: One of my closest friends is going to be in the Brasilian team ... so I have no option ... well, Rio is a great city ... not my favorite in Brasil (hehe), but a great city! We should have a A.Net reunion for sure.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3854 times:
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Quoting Baron95 (Reply 6):
Fraq. Is a lot of US-Brazil traffic expected for these games?

If we include athletes, staff, press, familiars, i'm sure it creates an additional demand.

Quoting AF086 (Reply 2):
Will these extra 5 MIA-GIG flights be flown all year long or it just another seasonal upgrade?

Seasonal Upgrade from June 15 to August 15. The AA2919/AA2980 will return in November for the IATA winter, as usual.

Felipe



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3736 times:

Quoting AF086 (Reply 2):
Will these extra 5 MIA-GIG flights be flown all year long or it just another seasonal upgrade?

As stated it is only seasonal. AA keeps interchanging the 5 extra weekly frequencies between GRU and GIG. I wish GIG could sustain the 5 weekly frequencies year long.

AA 5 extra frequencies GIG-MIA will only operate from 15 June until 12 August, going back to GRU thereafter.

Rgs,

[Edited 2007-01-26 09:47:33]

User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8376 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3649 times:
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What are UA's 21 flights, ORD-GRU and IAD to GRU is only 14 flights ? IS US flying twice daily GRU to IAD ?

User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3639 times:

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 12):
IS US flying twice daily GRU to IAD

YES, seasonally. Although I am a strong advocate for UA IAD-GIG nonstop.

Rgs,


User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4016 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3561 times:

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 7):
No, I dont think the Panam games generates much interest in the U.S. I could be wrong. However, Brasil is one of the most amazing places to visit in the Americas and more can never be bad

Indeed the Panamerican Games are hardly mentioned in the midia in the US. Many US athletes skip it and the US delegation is made of many B-teams.

Rio is still an outstanding place to visit but the security situation, including robberies in the highway from the int'l airport, only get worse. If the paramilitary groups that control the drug network decide to put a show during the Games, it will generate negative publicity for Rio and Brazil worldwide.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3470 times:
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Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 12):
What are UA's 21 flights, ORD-GRU and IAD to GRU is only 14 flights ? IS US flying twice daily GRU to IAD ?

During the IATA winter UA use to run a 2nd GRU-IAD.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 11):
AA 5 extra frequencies GIG-MIA will only operate from 15 June until 12 August, going back
to GRU thereafter.

They are extra-billateral frequencies and due to this will not return to any other route. AA could run nowadays on a regular basis only 47 weekly flights (after Aug 12 will return to 45).

Felipe



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineShane From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3422 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 13):
I am a strong advocate for UA IAD-GIG nonstop.

Eu também!

And I still have a hard time getting it through my thick skull that LAX -> GRU couldn't work.

[Edited 2007-01-26 20:14:10]

[Edited 2007-01-26 20:15:12]

User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7626 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days ago) and read 3378 times:

Quoting Shane (Reply 16):
And I still have a hard time getting it through my thick skull that LAX -> GRU couldn't work.

Youre not the only one. Two of the worlds largest cities cant support this route??? C'mon.  Angry

I do hope someone else will come in and do this route. My personal dream is that we will one day see LAX-GRU-JNB on SAA with rights from LAX-GRU as well. Oh well I can still dream.  cloudnine 



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3261 times:
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Quoting Incitatus (Reply 14):
Rio is still an outstanding place to visit but the security situation, including robberies in the highway from the int'l airport, only get worse. If the paramilitary groups that control the drug network decide to put a show during the Games, it will generate negative publicity for Rio and Brazil worldwide.

Agree 100% with you, at least the new government seems to be more strong than the previous two together.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 15):
Indeed the Panamerican Games are hardly mentioned in the midia in the US. Many US athletes skip it and the US delegation is made of many B-teams.

Even without the "A" team, and as a matter of demand also, there are the Caribbean countries, without flights to Brazil, MIA become always a viable option.

Felipe



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3134 times:

Quoting Incitatus (Reply 14):
Indeed the Panamerican Games are hardly mentioned in the midia in the US. Many US athletes skip it and the US delegation is made of many B-teams.

Yes, but the Pan American Games could pave the way for Rio's bidding to host the Olympic Games.

Quoting Incitatus (Reply 14):
Rio is still an outstanding place to visit but the security situation, including robberies in the highway from the int'l airport, only get worse. If the paramilitary groups that control the drug network decide to put a show during the Games, it will generate negative publicity for Rio and Brazil worldwide.

Agree. GIG does not have even proper safety, and they are putting all this money in SDU. With all this safety problems, I would rather see a Metro link to GIG (which would put an end to safety problems and further boost GIG as an airport) instead of the waste of money currently in SDU...

Rgs,


User currently offlineShane From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3097 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 19):
Metro link to GIG

Are there any plans on the horizon to do this? Also, is the linha vermelha being patrolled more heavily now by the police? Just how bad is the problem on this road to the airport? Was it just a few incidents or is it common?


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3097 times:
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Well, just informed... seems that ANAC is going to announce very soon a decision in favor of a MIA-SSA AA service and ATL-REC DL service ex-bilateral.

The Governor of the state of Bahia, confirmed it has a meeting with AA executives to arrange some further details.

The flights SSA-MIA could begin by the end of september and will be daily.

Pending a formal annoucement, the source of the info is one of the top trade sites Market & Events and a video (in portuguese) is also availabe:

http://www.mercadoeeventos.com.br/sc...pStrLink=3,172,0,17111&IndSeguro=0

Felipe



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1060 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3089 times:

Quoting Shane (Reply 20):
Are there any plans on the horizon to do this? Also, is the linha vermelha being patrolled more heavily now by the police? Just how bad is the problem on this road to the airport? Was it just a few incidents or is it common?

So far nothing besides buslinks and taxis. Perhaps someday the tube system will be streched all the way to GIG. There's the buslink to SDU which passes by the intercity bus terminal, goes through downtown area and onwards to SDU. From there it goes to Copacabana, Ipanema, Leblon and continues all the way to Barra.
Also there are bus lines from the airport to Niteroi (city across the bay) and the suburban area.

The number of policemen at the Linha Vermelha was quadrupled and after that incidents became more sparse.
I use the Linha Vermelha (and sometimes the Avenida Brasil which is the other option to go to GIG) frequently and the only problem I it has is the lousy traffic during peak times nothing different from the M4, the marginais at SP, the Florida Turnpike and such.



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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 1 day ago) and read 3073 times:

I was hoping for ATL-SSA but REC is a move in the right direction. Any idea of frequency or equipment for these routes? I would think AA and DL would both prefer to start these routes right before Christmas - and use 757s.

Also, I still think there is a market for MCOGRU service - it is the top destination on most of the US carrier flights from Brazil to the southern US>


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32813 posts, RR: 71
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 23 hours ago) and read 3046 times:

Atlanta-Recife? That is just a ridiculous idea. Atlanta-Salvador makes infinite more sense. We'll see if that pans out well, I have my doubts, but Delta is gutsy and takes risks and sticks with them.


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25 Post contains images LAXdude1023 : Hmm , thats an interesting idea. I have to admit I have my doubts on whether they could fill a 767 on a daily basis, but maybe somthing seasonal coul
26 MSYtristar : Pan Am flew MIA-REC near the end of its existence with an A310.
27 Akizidy214 : I can't wait unit this route is announced! It would save me a lot of time. I'm going DFW-MIA-GRU-SSA Feb 9th its just a hassle!
28 MAH4546 : Yes, they did. As well, Varig flew the route for much of teh late 1990s and early 2000s, until 9/11. TAM offers MIA-REC service during peak summer tr
29 MSYtristar : What is the primary traffic mix to REC? Busness? Leisure? Both? You don't hear much about the city as opposed to the main players in SA.
30 MAH4546 : Mainly business, but there are some resorts. It is the economic centre of and largest city in northeastern Brazil.
31 BigGSFO : AA served this route for a brief period. Great loads, horrible yields.
32 WorldTraveler : it doesn't have to be daily... and it also doesn't have to be in a business elite config so whatever if given up in yields are made up for in volume.
33 BigGSFO : Agreed. However it seems to me the yields would be in Brasilia. Wouldn't MIA-BSB or ATL-BSB make more sense than either REC or SSA? Just curious.
34 LipeGIG : I think SSA and REC makes more sense because they are also touristic destinations and two-way traffic. If you see cargo numbers, both SSA and REC are
35 Post contains images Tonytifao : Great news on Salvador and Recife. Does anyone know what A/C they would operate for these routes? On a side funny note, an AA FA told me that AA is op
36 Post contains images LipeGIG : Funny But remain 1 772 and 2 763 daily service plus 5 seasonal frequencies also with 763 daylight. Felipe
37 BOAC911 : Who's summer? Please specify.
38 AF086 : Northern Hemisphere[Edited 2007-01-30 04:17:07]
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