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Fresno To Reveal New Airline Service On Feb 6  
User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5799 posts, RR: 15
Posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6220 times:

FAT put out a message that an announcement of a new airline to serve the area will happen on Feb 6.

Details are still quiet, the airport director says they are under a confidentiality agreement until then.
http://www.fresnobee.com/406/story/26218.html

I can probably make a few guesses.  Wink


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User currently offlineB757capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6200 times:

I bet it is expressjet..........


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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5400 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6108 times:

XJ is also my guess.

I hope a route to SAN is included in the announcement; I'll be watching to see if our Airport Authority also holds a press conference on that date.

Come on FAT', what are you waiting for? Where are your thoughts?

Wait a minute.  idea  On another thread (F9 Summer Expansion) you discussed the new slots at SNA, including one for AQ... That's it. I'm changing my guess to an AQ tag-on; doing the same thing as about a year ago when they got a new slot and added a SNA-SMF-SNA flight to hold the slot. Since I've seen nothing about any new a/c yet for them, this would allow them to serve a new city, add a departure to SNA, all with no new metal needed. What do ya think?

bb


User currently offlineMXComet4C From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6100 times:

My bet is AeroMexico. Mexicana won't be left alone in the FAT-GDL/MEX market. Here is DOT's approval for AeroMexico's application for FAT.
http://dms.dot.gov/search/document.c...m?documentid=401835&docketid=21960


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5799 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 6025 times:

The followup article today speculates the same as most of us, ExpressJet. They also speculate routes from FAT to ONT, SAN, and SMF. But we'll see.

The article also points out that the city of Fresno just approved a new domestic route incentive plan which would provide a minimum of $30,000 in fee and rent waivers for each new route for the first 120 days.
http://www.fresnobee.com/263/story/26292.html

Quoting B757capt (Reply 1):
I bet it is expressjet..........

That was also my first guess. The timing is too close to the Feb 1 date that XJT has given to announce the independent operation not to think that. My guess is that Feb 6 would see an ERJ in the new livery for photo ops at FAT.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 2):
Come on FAT', what are you waiting for? Where are your thoughts?

Wait a minute. On another thread (F9 Summer Expansion) you discussed the new slots at SNA, including one for AQ... That's it. I'm changing my guess to an AQ tag-on; doing the same thing as about a year ago when they got a new slot and added a SNA-SMF-SNA flight to hold the slot. Since I've seen nothing about any new a/c yet for them, this would allow them to serve a new city, add a departure to SNA, all with no new metal needed. What do ya think?

LOL, OK I thought about CoEx branded flights also. And of course I guess I could be like a lot of people on a.net and say Southwest/JetBlue/AirTran/Virgin would be good at Fresno but I won't. Oh wait I just did.  Wink

I did consider AQ but the ExpressJet timing makes more sense. I'd love to see AQ, in fact just told my wife we should take advantage of their current sale offer I got in my email, $99 ow from the California coast. But we can't get away.

Quoting MXComet4C (Reply 3):
My bet is AeroMexico. Mexicana won't be left alone in the FAT-GDL/MEX market.

I thought about that too. A Feb announcement would work well to start booking the spring break travel to Mexico. But the XJT timing makes more sense.



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User currently offlineFA4B6 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5992 times:

B6 from JFK and maybe BOS?

Anyone?

 duck   flamed 


User currently offlineB757capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5873 times:

http://expressjet.recruitmax.com/mai...al/default.cfm?szCareerPortalID=85

Here they are hiring managers in FAT.



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5799 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5834 times:

Quoting B757capt (Reply 6):
http://expressjet.recruitmax.com/mai...al/default.cfm?szCareerPortalID=85

Here they are hiring managers in FAT.

Which is why I think most of us say it is probably ExpressJet's local announcement. But there of course could always be other possibilities.

The Fresno hiring for XJT, along with the other cities, has been in our discussions in an earlier FAT thread:
New Destinations For FAT?
http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/3219135

and in
ExpressJet (XJ) News...
http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eneral_aviation/read.main/3219345/



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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5761 times:

Clear this up for me....
Is this ExpressJet going to be as a Continental branded product, or as ExpressJet?
I'm confused.



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5799 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks ago) and read 5725 times:

Quoting Stirling (Reply 8):
Is this ExpressJet going to be as a Continental branded product, or as ExpressJet?

ExpressJet branded. Details are still rumored.

I just read this article which explained things so far pretty well. Some of the things are probably not true at the start. For example this article quotes a consultant who thinks routes like SEA-ICT make sense. But neither city looks to be in the list of potentials at xjet.com's job postings.
http://www.amtonline.com/article/article.jsp?siteSection=1&id=3225



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User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5623 times:

I could see FAT-SAN/SMF/ONT if this is indeed Expressjet.
AQ to SNA would be great too.

-Copa


User currently offlineExFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5544 times:

Not sure about SMF, timewise it's right on that drive-versus-fly bubble. When you factor in security and rental car expense on the far end, I'm still not seeing a big demand here.

And I wouldn't be surprised to see ExpressJet announce an initial destination or two under their own brand (SAN being the single most likely) and IAH under the CO brand at the same time - that'd be a big win for Fresno.

While I'd love to see AQ add a tag to FAT onto a coastal-city flight, I'm just not sure there's a big Fresno-Hawaii market that's going unserved right now - there's ample connection opportunities already, and a through-service flight just isn't that big a difference.


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5799 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5497 times:

Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 11):
Not sure about SMF, timewise it's right on that drive-versus-fly bubble.

I haven't seen SMF as strong either. Even years ago when UAX had EMB-110s Bandits on the route I flew it a number of times and loads were always light.

My feeling is that it will depend upon whether XJT plans connections or not. Then SMF might serve to connect Fresno and other California cities to say GEG and BOI or others.

The main California city seems to be developing to be ONT. I see they are hiring Mx there now too.

Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 11):
While I'd love to see AQ add a tag to FAT onto a coastal-city flight, I'm just not sure there's a big Fresno-Hawaii market that's going unserved right now - there's ample connection opportunities already, and a through-service flight just isn't that big a difference.

The FAT to Hawaii market seems to have been growing the last few years. The Hawaii Visitor Bureau now lists the Fresno area as tied as the largest market west of Kansas City without direct flights to the Islands. I don't think the market could handle daily but I could see 2 or 3 days a week easily.



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User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5475 times:

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 12):


My feeling is that it will depend upon whether XJT plans connections or not. Then SMF might serve to connect Fresno and other California cities to say GEG and BOI or others.

I could see a n/s FAT-GEG/BOI route, one or the other. SMF-GEG could happen, and SMF-BOI seems to do well for QX. So possibly.

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 12):

The FAT to Hawaii market seems to have been growing the last few years. The Hawaii Visitor Bureau now lists the Fresno area as tied as the largest market west of Kansas City without direct flights to the Islands. I don't think the market could handle daily but I could see 2 or 3 days a week easily.

A 2-3x weekly service via SAN or SNA would be great. I keep hearing that rumor, so maybe.
I'm just excited for more FAT service.

-Copa


User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5454 times:

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 9):
For example this article quotes a consultant who thinks routes like SEA-ICT make sense.

That would be a hoot!

There is a connection to the very distant past with Continental on the SEA/PDX-ICT route.....It shows up on Continental route maps of the late 60s....seem to remember it as a CAB route award case, that never really went anywhere. (The routes instead moved to Denver. Continental then expanding down the west coast to SJC and BUR)

Here are a couple of images of that route map.
Only CO routes to Seattle and Portland at that time in fact, according to this route map, are from Wichita. (?)

(Apologies, couldn't make it larger without distortion)

Big version: Width: 206 Height: 149 File size: 20kb
Continental Route Map 1968


Taken from this magazine ad from 1968.

Big version: Width: 441 Height: 640 File size: 212kb
Continental Ad 1968



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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5452 times:

The "New" corporate branding of ExpressJet?


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User currently offlineThePinnacleKid From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 725 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5417 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 2):
XJ is also my guess.

Hey SANFan... just wanted to help ya out.. not meant to be rude by any means..

XJ is Mesaba Airlines (NWAirlink)...
XJT is the usual 3 letter for ExpressJet (officially it would be BTA)...



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5799 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5379 times:

Quoting ThePinnacleKid (Reply 16):
XJT is the usual 3 letter for ExpressJet (officially it would be BTA)...

XJT is the abbreviation they use on the stock exchange.



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5400 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5320 times:

Quoting ThePinnacleKid (Reply 16):
Hey SANFan... just wanted to help ya out.. not meant to be rude by any means...

Thank you 'Kid, I stand corrected. XJT it is.

I assume XJT does not have a 2-character code; is this the first carrier that has not had one? (Showing my age by thinking in terms of "XX" instead of "XXX.")

bb


User currently offlineQXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2404 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5229 times:

How is there a market to ONT from FAT? Could FAT really use a flight to ONT? The only think I can see is if B6 comes in and flys to LGB so you can connect to BOS, IAD, ORD, or IAD. That is the only LA area thing I can think of. XJT I can see going to SAN and HOU but not to SMF. No market what so ever. Sacremento is just to close and for what connection? At least when you connect in SFO you hook up with UA and can go pretty much anywhere major you want internationally and nationally.

I can understand the AM trying to get onto MX for the flights they have been doing. A huge market is here and someone needs to expand past the GDL flights.

FATFlyer, how many gates are currently not being used? 3? Will XJT take one for themselfs or do you think they will share with HP?

XJT is coming in at a great time. They get the $60,000 wave right off the bat to help them start this city as well. Great move by the head hanchos.



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User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5214 times:

Hi!

That's truly excelent to have a flight from FAT to SAN if that goes along....and FAT deserves it! It's quite logical, FAT have direct flights to most big californian cities, like LAX, SFO! I know that when I was living there a meet a some people that went frequently to SAN, to study or to visit!
My applause to FAT once again!
Regards


User currently offlineQXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2404 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5203 times:

Quoting CV990 (Reply 20):
My applause to FAT once again!

You are missing out here Jose. FAT is finally being the talks of news stations here as well as becoming a Fresno Bee regular slowly  Smile



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User currently offlineThePinnacleKid From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 725 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5149 times:

Hey SANFan,

ExpressJet does have a 2 letter (IATA).. it is XE
For pure information/knowledge sake... a lot of stuff is still used with "RU"... but officially now it is "XE."


Hey FATFlyer,

ExpressJet does use XJT as its NYSE symbol.. it also uses it in general talk when ref. between mainline and coex... often it's CAL and XJT... but, the official ExpressJet 3 letter code (ICAO) is BTA. It comes from the operating certificate being from Britt Airways.



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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6002 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5116 times:

Quoting ThePinnacleKid (Reply 22):
ExpressJet does have a 2 letter (IATA).. it is XE

They also have a 3 digit IATA number. If they are able to somehow succeed with this, at least they will be able to go completely paperless, which would means that they would be 100% IATA compliant by the end of this year for both revenue and non-rev.



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5799 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5046 times:

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 19):
How is there a market to ONT from FAT? Could FAT really use a flight to ONT? The only think I can see is if B6 comes in and flys to LGB so you can connect to BOS, IAD, ORD, or IAD. That is the only LA area thing I can think of. XJT I can see going to SAN and HOU but not to SMF. No market what so ever. Sacremento is just to close and for what connection?

DLConn operat FAT-ONT with Metros about 15-20 years ago and I seem to remember there being 10 or 12 of us per flight. The Ontario/Riverside area has boomed since then so it could be larger. Also rumor has it that ONT would be a big focus city with connections (XJT is hiring maintenance and other positions there). So FAT-ONT would provide traffic to other flights, for example GEG, AUS, or others.

I have my doubts about FAT-SMF unless there are connections at SMF to say BOI or GEG. Heck if Amtrak is on time the train runs Fresno to Sacramento in only 3 and 1/4 hours, and that avoids the fog delays and security time. Rail used to work well for me if I didn't want to drive.

But the state's negotiated govt fare with UA for FAT-SMF is $130 ow advance and $170 ow last minute. (  Wow! SMF to SBP or PSP on UA is much lower then that) $260 RT in advance and $340 RT full Y? Depnding upon traffic I could see XJT bidding on that next year at a lower rate and starting AM and PM flights.

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 19):
FATFlyer, how many gates are currently not being used? 3? Will XJT take one for themselfs or do you think they will share with HP?

I expect XJT will take 1 gate for its flights. I'm guessing XJT will operate 5 to 8 RTs a day out of Fresno to 2 or 3 cities. I expect ONT, SAN and possibly 1 other.

Technically there are more than 3 gates available.

5 and 7 share a waiting area as do 6 and 8 and the old smaller areas for gates 1/3 and 2/4. And there are the future 16 and 17 at the end of the concourse. The doors for future jetways are there just add the bridge and go, although Skywest would lose using the 17 ramp area.

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 19):
They get the $60,000 wave right off the bat to help them start this city as well.

The program is $30,000 to $60,000 per route. So first it could be less than $60,000 depending upon how the airport calculates the amount. But then it is per new city so if XJT starts several routes it could add up quickly to a larger amount.

Quoting ThePinnacleKid (Reply 22):
ExpressJet does use XJT as its NYSE symbol.. it also uses it in general talk when ref. between mainline and coex... often it's CAL and XJT... but, the official ExpressJet 3 letter code (ICAO) is BTA. It comes from the operating certificate being from Britt Airways.

Yep, I knew you were correct about BTA. But many people just assume XJT is an unofficial abbreviation. Some people use it because they are investors, or someone like me who switches around between 2 and 3 letter ICAO/IATA codes and the company stock listing codes.



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25 QXatFAT : Well the other gates are "walk out on the tar mac" gates correct? So there are really only 2 with jetways. I have been at gate 6 before for an HP fli
26 FATFlyer : It is already started, UAX is charging the state that if someone wants to fly SMF-SFO-FAT on state business. And that should be a discount over what
27 Stirling : There are a few factors that might tip the scale. First, there are two ways to get to ONT from FAT, the first taking I-5 all the way down into L.A. a
28 Wedgetail737 : I believe WestAir and short-lived Far West Airlines flew FAT-ONT.
29 QXatFAT : Hey guys, Today I was at FAT and looking at the ticketing counters, where would XJT come in at? I believe that G4 should give up some of its counter s
30 Bartolo : It is definitely not AM
31 FATFlyer : I don't know where they will be placed short term. But FAT will start a ticketing lobby remodel shortly. It will convert the lobby into a Yosemite/Se
32 QXatFAT : That would actually look pretty cool. If they had fake trees or real trees in the terminal and check in counters would be pretty sweet. I will do tha
33 Post contains links FATFlyer : Their website is already up showing a route map with FAT to ONT and SAN. Connections at ONT heading east. http://www.xjet.com/why_xjet/route_map.htm
34 Post contains links FATFlyer : I also thought you might like to see this. It is an architectural rendering of one of the proposed looks for the ticket lobby. http://www.cshqa.com/pr
35 QXatFAT : That does look very nice. Thank you very much for shareing that. I think that of course there would be more renderings for the other parts of the air
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