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AA 996 MIA-GRU Emergency Landing In CCS  
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8575 times:

AA995 from DFW to GRU made an emergency landing early this morning in CCS at 6h45. The flight was full and pax are still stranded in CCS.

Any news or reasons for this emergency landing?

Rgs,

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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8572 times:

Sorry, apparently the correct flight information is AA 996 MIA-GRU B777.

Tks,


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8468 times:

Pax of AA flight waiting for more than 6h in CCS. AA has not provided any solution yet, whether another flight would be available to continue onwards to GRU or whether hotel accommodation would be provided.

Apparently some pax (especially business class) are being accommodated on RG 8943 CCS-GRU B763 (23h10-07h00).

Any more news?

Rgs,


User currently offlineMiamiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8468 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 1):
AA 996

AA996 is EZE-DFW.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8459 times:

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 3):
AA996 is EZE-DFW.

Flight is AA995 MIA-GRU B777.

Rgs,


User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8976 posts, RR: 39
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8220 times:

225+14 people on board. Apparently an electrical problem started a fire in the cabin and forced the plane to land in CCS.

Pax to be taken back to MIA tonight.

Source: Folha.com.br

[Edited 2007-01-26 20:15:46]


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User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2005 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8107 times:

No very interesting news here:
De emergencia aterrizó avión de American Airlines en Maiquetía

Un avión de la linea aerea estadounidense American Airlines que cubría la ruta Miami Manaos, debió aterrizar de emergencia en el aeropuerto internacional de Maiquetía de acuerdo con fuentes aeronáuticas.

Al parecer el incidiente se produjo por fuego en la cabina, pero no se reportaron heridos, de acuerdo con el reporte realizado por la Direccion de Búqueda y Salvamento de INAC.

Pasajeros y la aeronave permanecían en el aeropuerto internacional Simon Bolívar en Maiquetía.


They say it was on the way to MAO and that the emergency was due to a fire in the cabin. Passengers still staying in Maiquetia....


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8080 times:
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245 passengers a board and also with many children's (and mostly Brazilians) from MCO. They will all return to MIA in two AA flights, and from MIA will fly again to Brazil.

Pax requested a charter flight CCS-GRU thru Brazilian Consulate, but AA denied the request.

Felipe

[Edited 2007-01-26 21:09:44]


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User currently offlineDetroitflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8027 times:

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 5):
Pax to be taken back to MIA tonight.

that cant make them too happy, they are already 80% of the way there.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 7):
Pax requested a charter flight CCS-GRU thru Brazilian Consulate, but AA denied the request.

thats bad customer service. Wouldnt have been lest costly anyway, instead of flying them back to MIA and then again to GRU.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 2):
or whether hotel accommodation would be provided.

what about immigration??? Can they just legally enter Caracas.



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User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2005 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8008 times:

Quoting Detroitflyer (Reply 8):
that cant make them too happy, they are already 80% of the way there.

Check your map ! They are about 30 % there !

Quoting Detroitflyer (Reply 8):

what about immigration??? Can they just legally enter Caracas.

Depends on the passport they have. US citizens and Brazilian do not need a visa.


User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7987 times:

Quoting Detroitflyer (Reply 8):
thats bad customer service. Wouldnt have been lest costly anyway, instead of flying them back to MIA and then again to GRU.

Read this:

from a press release

Quote:
"All things considered, it was faster to get them back to Miami and then down," said Hotard, citing regulations that place limits on flight crews' working hours.

Not bad customer service, prohibitive is more like it. I may sound like I'm being mean but you're not in the operations department seeing all of the other logistical nightmares this type of thing would creat by "chartering" another airplane. These passengers are being taken care of in the best way AA can. People need to be patient when sh** hits the fan. Not everything is going to go everyone's way, but that's life right? They will make it to their destination and their safety wasn't compromised, although a little inconvenienced, but sometimes sh** happens.


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8690 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7973 times:

Why would AA take them back to MIA and then reroute them to GRU? I hope everything goes smoothly.

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2005 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7936 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 11):
Why would AA take them back to MIA and then reroute them to GRU?

Because it is almos impossible to get the from CCS to GRU. RG operates a nice little daily 737 stopping in MAO, I think not even daily. And this flight has a load of around 110 % !


User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1066 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7754 times:

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 12):
Because it is almos impossible to get the from CCS to GRU. RG operates a nice little daily 737 stopping in MAO, I think not even daily. And this flight has a load of around 110 % !

RG8942 (GRU-CCS) runs 6x weekly with the 763.

VARIG flies to BOG (RG8698 - GRU-BOG) with the 733 daily with a stop at MAO.

At least that what Amadeus says.  bigthumbsup 



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7668 times:
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Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 11):
Why would AA take them back to MIA and then reroute them to GRU? I hope everything goes smoothly.

A GRU-CCS flight with one of the planes they keep idle at GRU or GIG would take at least 14 hours (and 2 crews). As probably they do not keep extra crews at both GRU and CCS, and the capacity of a CCS-GRU non stop is really very low, they decided to use regular flights CCS-MIA (with may be one extra-flight) and put them back in a plane to GRU with a brand new crew.

Also, probably they will cancel AA906 (GRU-MIA) today because of that.

Felipe



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User currently offlineHiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2177 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7605 times:

Have to admit after the stranding in Texas last month I would have seriously thought that AMR would have gone to great lengths not to have a repeat incident this soon...even if it outside the US where press coverage...at least at the beginning would be sparse.

First off...flights from Brazil back to the US are full so there was a full load of pax in Brazil to come back that night....along with a legal reset crew. Secondly AA keeps a couple of Deep South birds on the ground the whole day in the US to prep for the next night. Should have not been an issue to launch that morning to CCS to continue down to GRU. Worse to worse a 763 would have made it but could have left them cockpit crew problems at the other end while minimum rest was done but even then it could have been what is called a 'rocket'...down..min rest....back up delayed but better than canceled.

Something is rotten here...after having their ops center on TV for a week to have this succession of bad decisions is amazing....


User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7470 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 11):
Why would AA take them back to MIA and then reroute them to GRU? I hope everything goes smoothly.

MCOflyer

AA, who is about the most conservative user of its fleet around - and who does have spare aircraft, could just as easily send another aircraft to CCS to carry the pax the rest of the way,

but AA has a gift for finding the worst possible way to serve the customer.



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8503 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7270 times:
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Blaiming AA for the lousy schedule between CCS and GRU is not fair. Viasa is long dead and Varig is a shadow of what it was, Caracas is hardly its most destination. AA best way to deal with this is via Miami where they have plenty of airplanes and multiple daily flights to Sao Paulo or Rio.

User currently offlineSJUSXM From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 294 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7159 times:

A) Unlike the AUS situation the PAX are actually in the terminal not on the plane-or at least thats what i understand

B)Bringing in an extra plane would cause crew legality and other scheduling issues

C)Routing them through any of 4 (?) daily CCS-MIA flights and then onto any of 3 MIA-GRU flights is much easier



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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5613 times:

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 5):
225+14 people on board. Apparently an electrical problem started a fire in the cabin and forced the plane to land in CCS.

Wow. Would anyone care to comment on the fact that there apparently was a freaking fire onboard?! Was it a false alarm or was there really a problem? Either way, I'd be pretty happy to be on the ground in one piece, even if it meant waiting for a bit.

I'm the last one to defend AA (I'm a UA FF) but don't know what they really could have done given the situation. The argument that they should've learned their lesson after the DFW/AUS debacle is a valid one but you have to take into consideration that this was an international flight, not some hub-to-hub flight that could easily be swapped out or rerouted. You have to factor in customs, crew rest, fleet availability, etc.; I'm not sure there's much else you could've done short of handing out hotel vouchers and rebooking on other carriers (if waiting for an AA seat wasn't an option).


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User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1906 posts, RR: 27
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5350 times:

Despite the uncomfortable situation, I'm very pissed because I was supposed to go down to CCS this weekend and now I missed an AA 777!

Damn it!



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User currently offlineQQflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2297 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 11 hours ago) and read 4941 times:

Quoting 777fan (Reply 19):
Would anyone care to comment on the fact that there apparently was a freaking fire onboard?! Was it a false alarm or was there really a problem?

I just read a Reuters article on this incident that said the likely source for the "odor" was a short in the captain's audio panel. So, perhaps there wasn't an actual fire, but enough concern of one to put the plane down ASAP. Good thing, too, as the tragedy of Swiss Air flight 111 will remind us.



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4919 times:

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 5):
Apparently an electrical problem started a fire in the cabin

It was an electrical problem, but no fire reported.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 7):
They will all return to MIA in two AA flights, and from MIA will fly again to Brazil.

So AA did not accept request for charter neither RG CCS-MIA.

Any other updated information?

Rgs,


User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2005 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4916 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 22):

Any other updated information?

Quite strange as Venezuelan media reports that their continued their flight to GRU......


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4723 times:
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Quoting Chiguire (Reply 23):
Quite strange as Venezuelan media reports that their continued their flight to GRU......

Brazilian media reports they arrived yesterday end of morning from MIA.

"
Os passageiros do vôo da American Airlines que fez um pouso forçado na Venezuela retornaram ao Brasil neste sábado (27). O vôo, que partiu de Miami, pousou no Aeroporto Internacional de Guarulhos às 11h45.
"
Source: www.oglobo.com.br



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User currently offlineTonytifao From Brazil, joined Mar 2005, 1035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4631 times:

I fly that route very frequently. Glad to hear everything is back to normal  Smile

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