Starstream707 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 174 posts, RR: 0 Posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3657 times:
Does anybody have any info on when and where Air France flew their 707's to North America?
I would figure JFK, ATL, IAD, BOS, MIA would be a few of the airports that saw service from these birds.
Cedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7702 posts, RR: 55 Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3611 times:
Since it was their only longhaul gear before the seven four and Concorde, the answer is, everywhere in North America that Air France flew. So include Montreal, Detroit, Philly, Chicago, Los Angeles, Mexico City, all over the Carribean etc. Terrible way to find out more but Air France and Pan Am were probably tied in the 60s for the title of "most dangerous airline", so look em in Air Disaster.com and you'll find a few smoking craters in the Carribean for the more exotic destinations.
fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
Not ATL. ATL was added to AF's network in the late 90s, after DL partnership was signed.
LAX was served by AF's B707, with an en route stop at YUL, then nonstop.
ORD was also served by AF's B707.
Feb.3rd 1956 : AF orders 10 B707-300
Nov.11 1959 : AF receives its first B707, named "Château de Versailles"
Feb.16 1960 : First Intercontinental flight for an AF B707
Thomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3723 posts, RR: 25 Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3520 times:
Let's not forget H-Town. I seem to recall hearing from a few ex-PA and BN employees stating that AF started service to what is now HOU in the mid '60's or so (though I can not seem to locate any confirmation on web). From what I understand the service was from ORY, YUL, MEX, with of course the venerable ol' 707.
Starstream707 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 174 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3215 times:
FlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7312 posts, RR: 61 Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3120 times:
Quoting Dennys (Reply 8): i still hve just a question / where AF flew its -328B s specially ? LAX ? RIO ? BUE ?
The B707 were used on all AF medium and long haul network until 1968.
Before 1968, AF only had a B707 and Caravelle fleet, along with the last few DC4, Breguet 763, Vickers Viscount and Super-Starliners.
Starting 1968, AF bagun to operate the B727 on its European network beside the Caravelle. The B727 was used on the bigest routes, and also to replace the B707 on the longest route the Caravelle couldn't handle because of their range limit.
In 1969, AF fleet consisted in :
45 Caravelle
33 B707
13 B727
4 Breguet 763.
The last DC3/DC4/F27 were used as freighters on the Postal service network only.
Magyarorszag From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3026 times:
Quoting Dennys (Reply 8): 707 AF : ALSO 5 x WEEK ORY LAX non stop !
Quoting Marcus380 (Reply 12): are you sure a b707 had such a range ??
ORY-LAX is 4934nm. The B707-300 had a max. fuel range (no reserves) of 5,350nm and for the B707-300B at max. payload (no reserves), range was 5,250nm while at max. fuel (no reserves) the range was 6,510nm.
CitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2229 posts, RR: 3 Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3007 times:
Quoting Marcus380 (Reply 12): are you sure a b707 had such a range ??
Yes, Air France flew Paris to LAX with the 707-320:
NateDAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 416 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2968 times:
Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 6): Let's not forget H-Town. I seem to recall hearing from a few ex-PA and BN employees stating that AF started service to what is now HOU in the mid '60's or so (though I can not seem to locate any confirmation on web). From what I understand the service was from ORY, YUL, MEX, with of course the venerable ol' 707.
Dennys From France, joined May 2001, 790 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2599 times:
to Starstram707:
I found some more AF 707 routes for you /
a/ dating from 1969
DAILY AF 077 LYS ORY JFK MEX
some more /
ORY BOS
ORY BOS WAS
ORY BOS NYC
ORY BOS PHL
ORY PHL WAS
curious .... I discovered a DAILY flight /
AF 047 ORY SHANNON JFK !!! ( why spng in SNN ? EI operated flights also ? srange ? ? ! )
and another routing touching the USA :
ORY ANC TYO
.... But once a week / ORY HAM ANC TYO - why a stop in HAM for AF ? I have been asking this Q. for more than 20 years .... still NO answer; For your info , when AF introduced the 747 on this route , the 747 still made a stop in HAM once a week .... Why ? )
Starstream707 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 174 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2452 times:
This is all great stuff guys! I figured most of the east coast cities saw service from these birds.
Dennys From France, joined May 2001, 790 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2316 times:
To Starstream707 /
If you want some more routings :
1971 . FAR EAST ALL OPERATED B-707.
ORY ROM TLV THR DEL BKK SGN HKG TYO
ORY ROM TLV THR BOM BKK HKG OSA TYO
ORY NICE THR BKK SGN
ORY NICE BEY THR BKK SGN MNL
ORY ATH CAI KHI RANGOON SHANGAI
ORY ATH DHA KHI BOM BKK PNOM PEHN SHANGAI
ORY TLV THR DEL BKK PNOM PEHN HKG TYO .
1971. SOUTH AMERICA ROUTES VIA DKR OR RIO ALL OPERATED B-707.
ORY NICE DKR BUE SCL
ORY MAD RIO SAO MVD
ORY MAD RIO SAO
ORY DKR BUE SCL
ORY RIO SAO
ORY MAD RIO SAO BUE MVD .
to Jymyvr / sorry but all pax flight I talked about ; i know about the AF LH JL Kargo coop .
PanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 7750 posts, RR: 26 Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2279 times:
Quoting Dennys (Reply 17):
.... But once a week / ORY HAM ANC TYO - why a stop in HAM for AF ? I have been asking this Q. for more than 20 years .... still NO answer; For your info , when AF introduced the 747 on this route , the 747 still made a stop in HAM once a week .... Why ? )
I am not sure if that was a cooperation with LH as they had served the route as well FRA/HAM/ANC/FYO/OSA alternating with DUS - same for JAL, there was definately a JAL service with DC8s and 747 via HAM.
Back to AF - LH had traffic rights via Paris to LAX and the traffic rights for AF had probably been in exchange for that. AF did have good loads ex HAM, inclduing cargo. It bwas one of their top stations in Germany which reflected also on the career of the local cargo manager.
AF lost a B707 in HAM in the mid 60s BTW,skidded off the runway and was a complete loss, but no injuries or death.
FlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7312 posts, RR: 61 Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2247 times:
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 22): AF lost a B707 in HAM in the mid 60s BTW,skidded off the runway and was a complete loss, but no injuries or death
This is the 6th B707 lost by AF (5th in an accident).
F-BHSA "Château de Versailles", the first B707 delivered to AF was involved in this accident on July 27th 1961.
It was operating AF272 PAR-HAM-ANC-TYO.
While taking-off for Anchorage, the pilot had difficulty holding the aircraft on a straight heading along the runway and decided to abandon the take-off. Despite his efforts, the aircraft veered to the left, ran off the runway and finally came to rest 2 840 m from the starting point in a depression 140 m from the runway. It was severely damaged and withdrawn from use.
Four crew and six passengers were seriously injured.
MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6242 posts, RR: 51 Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2214 times:
Quoting Dennys (Reply 21): ORY ROM TLV THR DEL BKK SGN HKG TYO
ORY ROM TLV THR BOM BKK HKG OSA TYO
ORY NICE THR BKK SGN
ORY NICE BEY THR BKK SGN MNL
ORY ATH CAI KHI RANGOON SHANGAI
What I wouldn't give to fly on one of those aircraft on one of those routes today. THAT was flying!
PanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 7750 posts, RR: 26 Reply 25, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2169 times:
Quoting FlySSC (Reply 23): Four crew and six passengers were seriously injured
I didn't have the time to check the details, I knew there was nobofy killed in that accident. I have seen pictures of the damaged 707, guess they were luckyy after all.
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