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Showers To Be Installed In The A380  
User currently offlineGlacote From France, joined Jun 2005, 409 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 14613 times:

I came across a wire from reuters relayed by french newspaper
L'Express:

Quote:
Les A380 sont équipés de 18 cabinets de toilettes et des douches peuvent être installées, une option prise par plusieurs compagnies aériennes

which translates to:

Quote:
The A380 feature 18 restrooms as well as showers - an option ordered by several airlines

.

Three questions cross my mind then:
1) is this true? I would guess so (why not?).
2) who are the "several airlines"? I would guess SQ, perhaps LH, not AF. Conditioned on (1) that is.
3) Is it a really worthwile amenity?

My point is that although a shower cabin may be a valuable way of using otherwise-unoccupied space in the A380 floor plan it requires a significant weight increase.

It is unclear to me that premium PAX (international first) value a shower in the aircraft more than a spa service at the lounge. I don't know the schedule of the Kangaroo route hence can't tell whether this would spare time at arrival or not.

What do you think?

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User currently offlineKFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3288 posts, RR: 31
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 14566 times:

Quoting Glacote (Thread starter):
What do you think?

That's alot of water to be toting around...



"About the only way to look at it, just a pity you are not POTUS KFLLCFII, seems as if we would all be better off."
User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 14555 times:

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 1):
Quoting Glacote (Thread starter):
What do you think?

That's alot of water to be toting around...

Water can be recycled. Bruce Dickonson tried out such a shower design in the Flying heavy metal series. I think it was designed as part of the original 7e7 concept and only used a few litres of water. Maybe Airbus has a similar one?

[Edited 2007-01-27 19:36:13]

User currently offlineEhrbear From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 14515 times:

Hmm, do you want to be next in the shower with "recycled" water? The mind boggles... Wink Big grin

User currently offlineCV580Freak From Bahrain, joined Jul 2005, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 14516 times:

Knowing my luck I would just be lathering up when we hit clear turbulence and I end up on the ceiling ...............

Other than that I'd have soap in my eyes when the seatbelt sign go on  Smile



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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 14483 times:

Quoting Ehrbear (Reply 3):
Hmm, do you want to be next in the shower with "recycled" water?

Theres nothing wrong with it. Some modern homes use water recycling systems, it comes out 100% clean through filtiration.


User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3432 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 14454 times:
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Quoting Glacote (Thread starter):
What do you think?

I expect them to go the same way the piano bars went on the early 747's...out the door. Personally I would not use the facilities, if installed on the plane, if it did not at least offer me the same comfort of existing private shower rooms in the departure-and arrival lounges of some airlines at some airports. Where do you draw the line? How much space is going to be used for the shower facilities? How much water are you going to have to fly around? Even if the water can be recycled, how practical is it going to be? Just my  twocents 


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User currently offlineEhrbear From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 14456 times:

Indeed they do. I was justing having a wee bit of fun. Of course, look at the International Space Station. There is a great example of water recycling - technology that makes its way down to us.
All the best,
D.


User currently offlineMaidensGator From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 945 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 14421 times:

Many passengers will probably want to shower after they get out of the pool....

Seriously, how many people would have access to the showers? Would there be a time limit? I've known people that could use up all the hot water in a hotel. I'd hate to see how fast they'd go through the available water on a plane.



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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 14407 times:

Quote:

An early project for the centre is an airworthy shower for an unnamed A380 operator. The shower will have a seatbelt-equipped seat located outside the wetted area but inside the private enclosure for use in case of turbulence.

http://www.shephard.co.uk/Inflight/d...84810f-c696-4e4c-92be-ef6e34944a7a

http://www.dasell.com/interiors/aircraft-interiors.html

[Edited 2007-01-27 19:57:06]

User currently offlineSQuared From Canada, joined May 2005, 387 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 14348 times:

Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 8):

Seriously, how many people would have access to the showers?

Probably just those sitting in First Class. With most airlines planning only a few F seats, it would probably be feasible for those passengers to take a shower without wasting too much water.

SQuared


User currently offlineLegacy135 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1052 posts, RR: 27
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 14246 times:

After a night on an aircraft, regardless if I fly C or F class, I always do appreciate the shower in the lounges very much. If I have a short connection not allowing to shower, I feel awful till I really can get under the water. So having it on the aircraft already could be an enormous step ahead in "comfort of live".

On upper class business jets showers are more or less standard. So if airlines want to attract more of those kind of clients, they indeed need to come up with such equipment as well. Sure, this would be for F class only, as otherwise the increase in weight would just be outrageous.

Cheers
Legacy135 Wink


User currently offlinePanAmOldDC8 From Barbados, joined Dec 2006, 960 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 14234 times:

Quoting Glacote (Thread starter):
Quote:
The A380 feature 18 restrooms as well as showers - an option ordered by several airlines

Have fun guys, imagine a drop of 500 ft. You would really be weightless. Hate to see the lawsuits.



Barbados, CWC soon, can't wait
User currently offlineJayDub From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 14214 times:

More interesting will be the first drunk guy that takes a shower and decides to go streaking afterwards...

User currently offlineC680 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 580 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 14169 times:

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 1):
That's alot of water to be toting around...

Bingo. Biggest problem with showers is the weight of the water required to operate them. It's a serious factor on big VIP aircraft like the BBJ.

Quoting EI321 (Reply 2):
Water can be recycled.

YUCK!!!!  Wow!  crazy   drool   no   yuck   ill 

Somehow that takes away from the glamour of quality travel!



My happy place is FL470 - what's yours?
User currently offlineBR076 From Netherlands, joined May 2005, 1080 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 14119 times:

Quoting C680 (Reply 15):
Quoting EI321 (Reply 2):
Water can be recycled.

YUCK!!!! Wow! crazy drool no yuck ill

Somehow that takes away from the glamour of quality travel!



Quoting EI321 (Reply 5):
Theres nothing wrong with it. Some modern homes use water recycling systems, it comes out 100% clean through filtiration.

 Smile



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User currently offlineEhrbear From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 14089 times:

Thank you JayDub for your response! I laughed so hard, I almost wound up with recycled water on the floor! Big grin

User currently offlineBravoGolf From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 538 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 14090 times:

The BBJ has a shower now and it is a filtration system.

User currently offlineRobbie86 From Sweden, joined May 2006, 526 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 14035 times:

Quoting CV580Freak (Reply 4):
Knowing my luck I would just be lathering up when we hit clear turbulence and I end up on the ceiling ...............

Yeah, what if that happens? Not you in person. Kind of a nice sue that will be  Smile



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User currently offlinePtugarin From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 13883 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 9):
he shower will have a seatbelt-equipped seat

I can't imagine sitting down in a seat that sees a dozen of bare butts per flight  Smile


User currently offlineC680 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 580 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 13854 times:

Quoting BravoGolf (Reply 18):
The BBJ has a shower now and it is a filtration system.

You learn something new every day! When we looked at the BBJ 5 years ago, there was some discussion around the office about how many water tanks would be required. Thanks for the info!



My happy place is FL470 - what's yours?
User currently offlineAC787 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 337 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 13636 times:

This would make joining the mile high club a bit more interesting though

User currently offlineMikester540 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 13402 times:

Quoting Ehrbear (Reply 3):



Quoting Ehrbear (Reply 3):
Water can be recycled. Bruce Dickonson tried out such a shower design in the Flying heavy metal series. I think it was designed as part of the original 7e7 concept and only used a few litres of water. Maybe Airbus has a similar one?

the Bruce Dickinson?



We need men who can dream of things that never were. -John F. Kennedy
User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2613 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 13300 times:

Quoting Ehrbear (Reply 3):
Hmm, do you want to be next in the shower with "recycled" water? The mind boggles...



Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 8):
I'd hate to see how fast they'd go through the available water on a plane

Nothing that chlorine and filtration can't handle.

The hot water concerns are also not a concern. There are systems that are instant heaters which are more efficient from an inventory standpoint.




My concerns are:

-Safety - Do you go back to your seat in a towel in really rough air?

-Availability - Depeding on configuration, would everyone want the shower in the last 15% of a long flight - i.e. - lines and making the plane smell like a locker room.

-Comfort - Probably won't be space abound.

-Water pressure - Not the most comfortable situation.



B4REAL, spelled like it sounds
User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 13302 times:

Quoting Mikester540 (Reply 23):
the Bruce Dickinson?

the Bruce Dickinson!  bigthumbsup 








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25 474218 : My first experience with a shower on an airplane came in the mid 80's. I was asked to source a new seal to stop a leaky shower head on King Hussein's
26 Baron95 : Weren't they going to put gyms on the A380? If you have a gym, and someone actually use it in flight, then you would need a shower . Isn't SG and VS g
27 Post contains links EI321 : Heres details of shower designs by the company that makes Airbus lavoratorys: http://www.dasell.com/interiors/vip-shower-cabin.html http://www.dasell
28 PanAmOldDC8 : Imagine a leak and the damage that it would cause the the metal in the aircraft as well as the avionics if it got through there
29 Morvious : What do you think the average person drinks these days? You guys realy think it is all fresh spring water? It's water for fressing up. The recycling
30 Skydrol : *IF* the filters are replaced and drains, pumps and lines cleaned on a routine basis. Theoretically "potable" water carried in the tanks of an aircra
31 Justloveplanes : I remember some old RV designs from the late 60's (Ford Econonline Converted Vans to be exact) that combined the lavatory and the shower in one unit.
32 Moek2000 : First of all, recycled water is what we drink out of the tap thesedays and there's nothing wrong with it. Second of all, this idea of installing showe
33 Post contains images Agill : Mile high club in a shower you mean
34 Dougloid : Back when I worked for Garrett in the early eighties we installed a shower in the master suite on the Aramco B707 we outfitted for them. Part of the k
35 LimaNiner : Of course you can install showers on (VIP) planes, but those showers are used by at most 1-3 people per flight. This means less water has to be carrie
36 HikesWithEyes : My french is rusty, but I think "peuvent' means could rather than will have, so this is just a "pipe" dream anyway.
37 EvilForce : Excellent points. I have showered in many of the club lounges before long flights and it's quite nice. Seems like a lot of hassle for something an ai
38 Asteriskceo : So you sh*t with your pants on in public restrooms?
39 Zippyjet : Why not feature both? With many first class business/pleasure travelers; time is a valued commodity. Therefore, arriving fresh, clean and smelling go
40 Ptugarin : Never sit down on public toilets. Not even on airplanes. I don't even wanna know what could this shower seat belt be running across.
41 Aircanada014 : Thats not a bad idea however considering the weight factor? How much water will it require to carry if its going to be recycled meaning what is the vo
42 A350 : Remembers me to what I heared on my last Etihad flight in summer 2011: "Dear passengers, this is captain Miller speaking. We are now flying a few cir
43 Post contains images Cba : LOL! That'd make my day.
44 Lostturttle : Maybe thats the way your water is, but mine comes from the rain which is collected on our roofs, then stored in tanks under our houses. My tank is sm
45 Dougloid : I've got friends in Kentucky and they have cisterns as well because they live in the country where there's no city water and it's all solid limestone
46 BravoGolf : Fresh water weighs about 8.34 pounds per gallon. Salt water weighs about 8.56 pounds per gallon. For a very rough calculation figure tank and water a
47 Glacote : Hence my emphasis on the other part of the sentence that you left out.
48 Cjh2007 : I think shower on board would be a useless gadget, and a waste of space, especially for first class passengers who can enjoy these amenities as soon a
49 IAD51FL : If not for passengers....then a usuable shower for the crew would be nice during those long flights. Chris
50 EI321 : Its not really about that. Time is money, not all passengers paying $5000 or more for their ticket have time to use lounges. Secondly, it would nice
51 JAL : I find it a bit weird to have a shower on board an aircraft, what airlines have ordered them?
52 Expressjetphx : I agree with this, make it an F-only shower with reservations made in advance (at check-in or the gate) would be the only way to really do it, even f
53 BoomBoom : Somehow, they've managed up until now. If you don't have time to use the lounges upon arrival, I'd say that's an example of poor planning.
54 Cjh2007 : True... and really... how many first class passengers are people under real "meeting" stress... not many... I say instead of cramped showers, more sp
55 Slz396 : I am pretty sure this comfort will be reserved for F class only and indeed, not much pax will make use of it, but then if one or two F class pax per f
56 Joni : One way to deal with turbulence is to have "slippers" installed to the shower floor, into which the passenger inserts his/her feet. They did this on t
57 EI321 : They have not had an aircraft with the space and interior of the A380 until now! What im suggesting is the ability to depart on an evening flight, ge
58 BoomBoom : Now? The A380 won't enter service until the end of this year. The 747 has room for a shower, but the airlines would rather utilize this space for mor
59 Slz396 : To reply in your very own style: Would that be by more than the 787 in percentages? Well, some airlines seem to think this feature -whether really us
60 BoomBoom : On the A380 showers are going to take up space and add weight that could have been used for passengers. It will cut the capacity of that particular A
61 Post contains links and images EI321 : Hey, dont take my word for it! You need to tell the airlines that what are allegidly doing is a big mistake! What would they know anyway   Some Inte
62 Slz396 : Remember the A380 is built from the onset to offer a lot of extra open floorspace if it is to fly sectors close to its design range of 8000NM. If thi
63 LimaNiner : Exactly! If the choice is a cramped-ish on-board shower that is unavailable due to turbulence, etc., or a spacious shower with no wait in the arrival
64 BoomBoom : Tell me which airlines are going to have showers and I'll fire off an email to them right away.
65 BoomBoom : Won't filling it up with showers and carrying water also cut the range?
66 Slz396 : I think you'll find the weight/floorspace ratio of a shower compartment (including private changing room, actual shower etc) to be much lower than th
67 Post contains images BoomBoom : Unless you neglected to reserve it advance and it's all booked up.
68 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Stop playing that childish game Slz396....its a poor agrument... ...
69 Slz396 : Do we even know how many showers there are planned? As to the water: anybody know how big the water tank for the shower is onboard the ISS?
70 Post contains links AerospaceFan : One thing about train travel I like is that showers are already available, as is dining in a white-cloth environment. This is so even in the case of f
71 EI321 : If I knew I would, all we are going on is: and .....But then how many A380 operators have formally unveiled their A380 interiors yet, showers or no s
72 AerospaceFan : Reading this thread gives me an idea: How difficult would it be for a large airline like Emirates to outfit a few of their aircraft in an "all First-C
73 JetJeanes : The 18 showers and massage therepy rooms are located just past the starbucks on the first floor, Across from the mcdonalds in aisle 14
74 Post contains links Leelaw : One wonders whether the "flying ocean-liner" concept for operating the A380 was ever anything more than pure hype? IMO, the example of VS's history so
75 Charliejag1 : Hotels dont have bleed air (at least none that I have stayed in).
76 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Many have wondered this particular scenerio.....one possibility might have to do with the fact SQ owns 49% of VS..but I wouldn't be banking on it..
77 Rwessel : Water weighs about 8.33 pounds per gallon. Your 112 gallon tank will hold about 933lbs of water (assuming your tank is on Earth). The 1000 gallon tan
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