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Man Ordered To Pay Hawaiian Airlines For Diversion  
User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1367 posts, RR: 15
Posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 12928 times:

A passenger travelling on a Hawaiian Airlines flight last summer from HNL to PPG has been ordered to compensate HA $19,000.00+, after he was convicted of assaulting a flight attendant during the flight. After the assault, the flight was diverted back to HNL where the passenger was arrested. HA claimed that the diversion cost the company $19,000, and was awarded this amount by a federal court.

http://www.samoanews.com/saturday/story5.html

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User currently offlineKaukau From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 12689 times:

Aloha, HALFA! Howzit?

That's awesome! Good luck collecting it though, eh. Folks in PPG don't have a pot to piss in, for the most part. Go on vacation once every ten years and don't know how to act on an airplane. They're lucky you still fly to PPG, as far as I can tell. Anyway, we're just waiting to head over to HNL and get on HA8, the red-eye to Vegas, tonight! Love your posts, love HA!!!

Pau for now,

kaukau


User currently offlineStarGoldLHR From Heard and McDonald Islands, joined Feb 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9793 times:

I wonder if that 19000 will be divided amongst the passengers for compensation and delays, or dissapear into the companies shareholders as dividends for a good days work ?


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User currently offlineRiddlePilot215 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8539 times:
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Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 4):
I wonder if that 19000 will be divided amongst the passengers for compensation and delays

Advantageous thinking at best.....

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 4):
or dissapear into the companies shareholders as dividends for a good days work ?

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User currently offlineBY188B From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7141 times:

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 4):
I wonder if that 19000 will be divided amongst the passengers for compensation and delays, or dissapear into the companies shareholders as dividends for a good days work ?

Probably goes on the extra fuel, airports fees and the costs of transferring passengers who missed their connection due to this passengers actions.



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User currently offlineTPAPDX From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4988 times:

I'm sure the $19,000 award was for the cost of:

Fuel, landing & handling fees, payroll and maintenance.

Had HA asked for "compensatory" damages for the delay to compensate passengers, I don't think it would have been approved by the court without a lengthly legal analysis and additional expense.

However, verifiable operation cost can be easily proven.


User currently offlineWorkFlyer From New Zealand, joined Dec 2006, 203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4861 times:

And in a little over 65 years Hawaiian will receive the last of its money. Aren't time payments on fines and compensation great  Yeah sure

User currently offlineBHXFAOTIPYYC From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4350 times:

Doesn't being convicted of assault result in deportation from the US? The article states that he is Samoan.


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User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6371 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4332 times:

Quoting HALFA (Thread starter):
HA $19,000.00

at first i thought you mean hawaiian dollars...i'm thinking "what the hell are hawaiian dollars?!?!"

but this is awesome...should happen more often...they should make big news of this to keep it from happening again


User currently offlineWorkFlyer From New Zealand, joined Dec 2006, 203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4323 times:

It appears he is American Samoan. So there may well be different rules and regulations given that countries relationship as American Samoa is a US Territory.

User currently offlineBHXFAOTIPYYC From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4237 times:

Quoting SW733 (Reply 8):
but this is awesome...should happen more often...they should make big news of this to keep it from happening again

Except as WorkFlyer said, it isn't so awesome when the guy only has to pay $25 a month because he "can't afford" any more. What's the betting this clown even defaults on this amount too.



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4060 times:

Quoting BHXFAOTIPYYC (Reply 7):
Doesn't being convicted of assault result in deportation from the US? The article states that he is Samoan.

If I'm not mistaken, Samoans are US citizens, at least from American Samoa.

NS

[Edited 2007-01-30 03:47:14]

User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3599 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4019 times:

Brilliant.

Didn't a judge a few years back order the same thing to a man on an NW flight from NRT-MSP? He got drunk and started becoming dangerous. They had to dump fuel and land at ANC. The man had to write appology letters to all passengers, write an essay about the environmental impact of fuel dumping and pay a big wad of cash to the airline.



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User currently offlineKaukau From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3706 times:

I was chatting up some of the crew on the HA flights I just took about this, and two of the more memorable comments fom the crew were: "What's he gonna pay with? Breadfruit?", and, "I only know one Samoan who's got money: our Mayor!" (Mufi Hannemann, the Mayor of Honolulu.) And P.S. I was told that the FA that got punched is one of the nicest, kindest and most popular FA's in the entire HA system; and a regular on the PPG route. So everyone on board was doubly mad at the idiot who punched him. Let this be a lesson to all the idiots out there!

User currently offlineJasond From Australia, joined Jul 2009, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3590 times:

At 19K I think he's got off lightly!! It could have been so much higher if it wanted to be.

User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3562 times:

Quoting BHXFAOTIPYYC (Reply 10):
Except as WorkFlyer said, it isn't so awesome when the guy only has to pay $25 a month because he "can't afford" any more. What's the betting this clown even defaults on this amount too.

A precident has however been set. US$25 a month or not, the deal is done and it will make it easier for airlines to sue for and collect compensation for these diversions. . . . it's about time.

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 11):
If I'm not mistaken, Samoans are US citizens, at least from American Samoa.

Correct. And subject to US laws.


User currently offlineWJ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3529 times:

I just love stuff like this. This case aside, every time some moron creates an inconvenience for the people around them they should be held liable. Next time it wont be a poor samoan, but a wealthy businessman who got drunk and biligerent and he will be forced to pay $100,000. As long as the precedents are being set, I'm happy.


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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2521 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks ago) and read 3478 times:

Quoting WJ (Reply 16):
This case aside, every time some moron creates an inconvenience for the people around them they should be held liable.

No doubt. I would assume that if HA has a "no-fly list", this dolt would be on it. Perhaps that could serve as a preview of what's to come should the American Samoan governor get his wish: just try getting back to HNL or the US mainland without HA.

Sad truth is, with the litigious nature of most Americans these days, it's usually the airline, the government, or someone else's fault. It's about time that people - regardless of color, personal wealth, or status - be held accountable for their behavior.


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User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks ago) and read 3442 times:
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Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 15):
Quoting Gigneil (Reply 11):
If I'm not mistaken, Samoans are US citizens, at least from American Samoa.

Correct. And subject to US laws.

Acutally, American Samoans are U.S. nationals. But they still are subject to U.S. laws.

Quoting Kaukau (Reply 13):
"What's he gonna pay with? Breadfruit?", and, "I only know one Samoan who's got money: our Mayor!"

That's quite funny. On the serious side, many families in American Samoa tend to be land rich, but money poor.


User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3287 times:

Quoting Kaukau (Reply 13):
"I only know one Samoan who's got money: our Mayor!"

A bunch of NFL players would beg to disagree  Smile



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User currently offlineHawaijahaz From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3162 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 12):
The man had to write appology letters to all passengers, write an essay about the environmental impact of fuel dumping and pay a big wad of cash to the airline.

That's awesome. Its great that he had to write apology letters and an essay. Wish they would do this kind of stuff more.


User currently offlineSJCRRPAX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3154 times:

Quoting Ha763 (Reply 18):
Acutally, American Samoans are U.S. nationals. But they still are subject to U.S. laws.

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But it's real easy for them to become citizens if they desire. They just need to click their heels three times and .....


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