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Body Found In BA Flight To LAX  
User currently offlineSpeedbrds From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 98 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 14426 times:

I just heard on the local news (ABC7 Southern California) that a body was found in the gears bay of a BA 747. That's all I know right now.

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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21477 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 14397 times:

This has happened before, where the person got onto the jet in a third country, landed at LHR and then the same plane continued to the USA where the body was found. I believe it was a VS flight, but could be wrong...


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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 14308 times:

This has happen before, and desperate people continue to attemp it.

Death probably occured in London as the gear was being raised. By the time the airplane landed in Los Angeles, this person must have been death for hours.


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12128 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 13937 times:

Didn't this just happen 2 weeks ago on a DL flight into ATL?

User currently offlineQantas767 From Australia, joined Jul 2000, 101 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 13905 times:

If the gear doesn't crush them the cold will get them... I would imagine it would be someone from a poorer nation, I rekonwould be a terrifying experience. They must have been desperate. Also doesn't give a good account of security if someone can jump on a 744...what else can they put in one??


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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24905 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 13863 times:

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Body found in airplane wheel well at LAX

LOS ANGELES (AP) -- A man's body was found Sunday in the wheel well of a British Airways jet at Los Angeles International Airport, authorities said.

The 747-400 had arrived from London Heathrow Airport at 3:15 p.m. and was to depart for a return flight at 5:20 p.m.

Authorities had not identified the victim late Sunday, saying only that he was a young black male.

Investigators were trying to determine if he got into the aircraft in Los Angeles or London or a previous departure point.

"One of the pilots was conducting a preflight walk-around check of the aircraft and the pilot discovered an unidentified body in the front right wheel well,"



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User currently offlineTransWorldSTL From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 568 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 13778 times:

How horrible must these peoples' living conditions be, in order for them to be desperate enough to jump in the wheel well of a plane destined for an unknown destination?

User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1832 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 13560 times:

This happens about 2 or 3 times a year at CDG for flights coming from Africa. Terrible situation

User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 13540 times:

This happens quite a few times in LA also. Last time the guy actually survived because he found a way into a warm part of the cargo from the gear bays. I'm wondering if these people know that the gear isn't pressurized.

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21477 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 13537 times:

Quoting Juventus (Reply 2):
Death probably occured in London as the gear was being raised.

Not likely he got on in LHR, as there are few people who would find life so bad in the UK that they would risk this.

As I said, this has happened before on a flight from London, where the person got on in a THIRD country, the plane landed at LHR, became a new flight to the USA, but the body was not discovered until the inspection in the USA.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7514 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 13534 times:

Quoting TransWorldSTL (Reply 6):
How horrible must these peoples' living conditions be, in order for them to be desperate enough to jump in the wheel well of a plane destined for an unknown destination?

Thats what comes to my mind. Has anyone succesfully pulled of somthing like that alive? I dont even think its possible. You would think they would know that they would die.



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User currently offlineWesternDC1010 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 327 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 13492 times:

According to the local news here in Los Angeles, the body of a male was found on BA 283, a Boeing 747-436 (G-BNLB). It was located in the right main wheel well by a pilot performing his inspection at Gate 104 of the Tom Bradley International Terminal. The body was removed and the investigation began. BA 282 was then cleared and left 4 hours late for London-Heathrow.

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User currently offlineRichPhitzwell From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 13461 times:

Cold, someone could live, but at that elevation it is what -16 or something. Lack of O2 and decompression would definately not help.

Some have survived, sorry no links, but most die.


User currently offlineWesternDC1010 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 327 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 13435 times:

Quoting RichPhitzwell (Reply 12):
Cold, someone could live, but at that elevation it is what -16 or something. Lack of O2 and decompression would definately not help.

Some have survived, sorry no links, but most die.

Here are some interesting articles:

http://www.slate.com/id/2093341/

Do Jet Stowaways Ever Survive?
The dangers of traveling beneath business class.
By Brendan I. Koerner
Updated Wednesday, Dec. 31, 2003, at 2:07 PM ET
For the second time in a week, police at New York's Kennedy Airport have discovered a body in the wheel well of an arriving jet. What are the hazards of traveling in an airplane's wheel well, and do any of these desperate stowaways ever survive?

The odds of survival, always slim at best, decrease in proportion to the duration and altitude of the flight. Few stowaways are equipped to handle the frigid temperatures, which can dip below minus-50 degrees Fahrenheit on some flights. The bodies of stowaways usually show signs of severe frostbite and the longer the flight, the more likely that the illicit passenger will succumb to the elements.

Others perish due to asphyxiation, as the air at high altitudes lacks sufficient oxygen and the wheel wells are unpressurized. Think of how mountaineers scaling Mount Everest are forced to carry oxygen tanks, and that peak measures shy of 30,000 feet—just below the altitude that many planes reach. The chilliness and the oxygen deprivation become more severe the higher a plane climbs, so stowaways on high-flying transoceanic voyages face the worst odds.

A third danger is the likelihood of tumbling from the wheel well prior to arrival. Landing gear is typically deployed at an altitude of around 1,500 feet, and the stowaways are given little warning. Unless they're holding onto something inside the compartment, a fatal plunge is difficult to avoid. Blackouts caused by oxygen deprivation are common, so many stowaways are likely unconscious at the crucial moment.

Few hopeful refugees attempt wheel-well arrivals every year. In 2000, for example, the FAA counted 13 such stowaways, three of whom survived. In 2001, six tried to enter the United States in such a fashion, with no survivors. In 2002, five perished and one survived. (The wheel-well survival rate since 1947 is 20.3 percent.) The death estimates may be low, as some bodies may have tumbled out into water or remote areas, never to be recovered.

There is, however, the occasional miracle case, none more fantastic than the tale of Fidel Maruhi. The Tahitian native lived through a 7-and-a-half-hour flight from Papeete to Los Angeles. When he was discovered, Maruhi's body temperature was just 79 degrees, about 6 degrees colder than what's usually considered fatal. Repatriated to Tahiti after his feat, Maruhi later said that he remembers nothing of the trip, having blacked out just after takeoff.

Last December, a Cuban refugee named Victor Alvarez Molina made it to Montreal in the wheel well of a DC-10, enduring four hours in temperatures that dropped to minus-40 F. His saving grace was a leak in a compartment pipe, which seeped out warm air. The pipe also provided him a convenient lifeline to hold onto when the landing gear deployed. Unlike Maruhi, Molina was granted refugee status and now hopes to bring his family to Canada. Presumably in more comfortable circumstances.

http://www.news24.com/News24/AnanziArticle/0,,2-7-1442_1718858,00.html

http://www.iasa.com.au/folders/Safet...abin_Safety/wheelwelldwellers.html

http://www.mg.co.za/articlepage.aspx...g_news__national/&articleid=242820

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User currently offlineZRHnerd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 13401 times:

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 8):
I'm wondering if these people know that the gear isn't pressurized.

Regular people from a third world country don't know anything about aviation at all, let alone specific facts like pressurazion. Thats why they keep on doing it. They don't know about the danger they are about to get into.


User currently offlineHBJZA From Switzerland, joined Jan 2006, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 13154 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 10):
Has anyone succesfully pulled of somthing like that alive?

I remember a few years ago that one guy did actually survived from a flight from Afrika to CDG, travelling in the landing gear bay. He was found suffering from hypothermy, was healed in Paris and then sent back to Afrika. The same poor guy was found dead a few weeks later in a field near CDG ! Even after having experienced it once and survived, he did attempt a second time to travel this way !! Amazing isn't it ?

Quoting TransWorldSTL (Reply 6):
How horrible must these peoples' living conditions be, in order for them to be desperate enough to jump in the wheel well of a plane destined for an unknown destination?

I know that some baggage loaders or ramp agents make money out of it. Pretending that they will arrive safe in Europe, they let them access to the aircraft and jump in the gear bay for a ridiculous summ of money (ridiculous for us "rich" countries). For sure none of these guys know the condition of travelling in there and probably have no idea about pressurisation, cold or whatsoever happening in an aircraft at 35000 feet.......


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 13128 times:

Happens often. Only 2 weeks ago a body was discovered in the landinggear of an SNBA A333 in BRU coming from Africa. This wasn't the first time for SNBA, and Sabena had similar incidents.

It's the freezing cold and being in the outside at high altitude that are deadly, not lack of space or being 'crushed' by the landinggear.



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User currently offlineBoysteve From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 935 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 13093 times:

Quoting RichPhitzwell (Reply 12):
Cold, someone could live, but at that elevation it is what -16 or something. Lack of O2 and decompression would definately not help.

I think the temperature is closer to -60 than -16. I am talking Celsius here.


User currently offline8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 13088 times:

How do these guys get in there? Do they climb over the airport fences and across the airport aprons to get to the aircraft?

User currently offlineZRHnerd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 13058 times:

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 19):
How do these guys get in there? Do they climb over the airport fences and across the airport aprons to get to the aircraft?

I'm not sure wether some African airports have fences at all.


User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 13038 times:

For those of you who, like me, love trivia, this jet is City of Edinburgh and was one used recently to ferry pax to Germany during the Heathrow issues.

User currently offlineFlybyguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1801 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 12850 times:

Unfortunately a majority of these stowaways come from Africa, a continent so plagued by famine, war, disease and general pestilence that it's a wonder it's not literally nick-named "Hell on Earth".

Besides that however, the fact that this stowaway situation is still a problem should see 1st world countries with security concerns barring flights from countries that have this problem, at least until their apparent lapses in security are properly remedied. My chief worry here is that if people are so desperate to do this sort of thing, how hard would it be for the same sort of people, with guaranteed payments to their families from al-qaieda (or other organization) to strap themselves up with explosives as a stowaway and take down a foreign jet?



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User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6689 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 12808 times:

Quoting WesternDC1010 (Reply 11):
According to the local news here in Los Angeles, the body of a male was found on BA 283, a Boeing 747-436 (G-BNLB).

Last flight I can find for G-BNLB was it doing the BA27 to HKG, leaving Heathrow on the 26th Jan and arriving back early on the 28th.

SIN-LHR arr LHR on the 26th Jan

CPT-LHR arr LHR on the 24th Jan

YVR-LHR arr LHR on the 22 Jan.



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User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4086 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 12787 times:

Quoting ZRHnerd (Reply 14):
Regular people from a third world country don't know anything about aviation at all, let alone specific facts like pressurazion. Thats why they keep on doing it. They don't know about the danger they are about to get into.

Excellent & valid point. It will probably be found that this man was from Africa. It does prompt the question of how thorough the pre-flight inspection was at LHR, before the jet was sent on its way to LAX.

Chris in NH


User currently offlinePanAmOldDC8 From Barbados, joined Dec 2006, 960 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 12754 times:

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 23):
Regular people from a third world country don't know anything about aviation at all, let alone specific facts like pressurazion. Thats why they keep on doing it. They don't know about the danger they are about to get into.

How true and how very sad. Desperation will make people do desperate things. That is why this world as a whole has to start to help the people from the under developed countries through these terrible times



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25 Keego : I saw a recent documentry with someone who had not once but twice survived this. He got on a DC-10 in Havana, Cuba (The airline escapes me) the aircr
26 StarGoldLHR : Try watching 10 walking london's council estates..(funnily enough east londons are under LHR's fllight path,.. maybe they dropped out and stayed wher
27 Bh4007 : Surely even the most disadvantaged and uneducated person would know the extreme temperatures that one encounters at 35,000 ft? You would be lucky if i
28 ArcrftLvr : Yes, as a matter of fact someone stowed away on a TN flight to LAX a few years back (I don't remember where the flight originated). The person surviv
29 Richierich : Huh? This doesn't even make any sense! While I think it would be unusual to find out that this person boarded the wheel well in London, I beg the que
30 Post contains links Elcableguy77 : Apparently, someone got a picture of this particular flight as it was taxiing at LAX. Photo here.
31 Post contains images Detroitflyer : what i dont understand, is how the few people who manage to survive, actually survive????
32 Post contains links GDB : This report from 2001, gives an insight into both the stowaways and their motivations; http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,523278,00.html
33 Cincinnati747 : Sweet Baby Jesus, why are people stickin bodies in wheel wells?? Could be the most economical way to fly
34 Post contains links and images Airfoilsguy : Most of these people wait at the end of the runway and make a dash for the plane as it is lining up for takeoff. I have seen video of it somewhere bu
35 Desh : Pretty bad - but I think it has more to do with the fact they they dont know they are facing certain death - oxygen, temprature situations at 30k + f
36 Post contains links Seabok : AP is reporting that the stowaway was a South African youth. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm.../2003546515_webairplanebody29.html Seems like he
37 Post contains images FighterPilot : Does anyone have any information about the wheel wells of these particular aircraft? Where exactly would one crawl up into without being crushed? Cal
38 Post contains images Jbguller : ...why do you want to know?
39 Post contains images FighterPilot : I'm thinking of flying YYZ-LHR real cheap I've never seen the wheel wells of any large aircraft and am wondering how much room would actually be in t
40 Indio66 : Why don't the manufacturers put some type of sensor/alarm in the wheel well? These stowaways are putting both themselves and others at risk.
41 Corey07850 : That's what I was thinking... I bet a surprising number of a.netters wouldn't know whether the landing gear bay is pressurized or not... And your com
42 HAWK21M : Sad Case as People are not Familiar with the Clearences in the Wheel wells & the retracting Gears,Also lack of knowledge of Pressurisation issues,caus
43 Richierich : I hear you, but I don't think this is the case at LHR! Assuming that this guy didn't hideout at LHR (who knows, he might have had enough of the Londo
44 Post contains images Wrighbrothers : The fact that he wasn't found during one pre-flight check is pretty bad, but the fact that this person went 4 days (4 flights and therefore 4 pre-flli
45 Qslinger : I guess they need to look into installing wheel well cameras to prevent this stuff. I am sure thier situation is pretty horrible in their country, but
46 HAWK21M : If a Stowaway can get access to an Aircraft.Speaks poor about Airport Security. regds MEL
47 Richierich : I agree but, without sounding prejudicial, this is why I didn't think it occurred in LHR. It had to be from an earlier flight, and CPT was one of the
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