SNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3232 posts, RR: 24 Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 19934 times:
BlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1808 posts, RR: 6 Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 19787 times:
Quoting SNATH (Reply 2): Actually, I think it looks more like the abandoned Dornier 728 project.
I agree, with you, its actually quite strange the similarity. Take a look at those Cockpit windows, they're nearly identical.
Rikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1461 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 19299 times:
Checking the cockpit window style side-by-side, the RRJ's windows are much less tapered.
I do believe a number of companies (including Bombardier) went to Fairchild/Dornier to check the viability of the project when it went bankrupt. I would not be surprised if Sukhoi did a study of this aircraft when they were doing preliminary work on their own project.
OK, so Bombardier isn't exactly original in any of their other designs... I still believe they should have taken on the D728-928 project when they had the chance...
Enough about that...I think the RRJ will be a great success, given the amount of western technology being used in it.
Cessna 172; King Air 100; Twin Otter; SAAB 340; Dash 7; Dash 8-100,-200,-300,-400; CRJ-200,700,900; ERJ-170; F-28; DC 9-
A342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4655 posts, RR: 4 Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 18667 times:
Quoting Chuchoteur (Reply 10): I have the feeling it will be let down by its engines...
No, on the contrary ! Don't you know, SNECMA has designed most of the core ? I think the engine is far more modern than the competitors' GE CF34, which dates back to the seventies.
Owleye From Netherlands, joined Feb 2006, 908 posts, RR: 2 Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 18414 times:
Thank you ENU for posting the picture link. That's exciting news about the Sukhoi Superjet (that's the new name for their former 'Russian Regional Jet'-name)! Have the SAS partners still interest in this aircraft? Like Air Baltic?
Graphic From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 18266 times:
Quoting Cjh2007 (Reply 17): I dont trust the russians... another one of those flimsy attempts at a good basic concept...
Captain :" Roger that, let me just adjust the trim..., whoooops... button broke off... let me just glue that back on"
I think you're mind is stuck in the '80s. The russians have built some solid frames, look at how alot of their older jets are still flying today. That and the newer designs, the IL96, the TU204, and now this one are nice and modern.
Dw747400 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 1244 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 18226 times:
Quoting Graphic (Reply 18): That and the newer designs, the IL96, the TU204, and now this one are nice and modern.
I think a lot of the negativity surrounding Russian jets originates with poor operators as opposed to poor designs. I think operating economics and manufacturer support are the reasons we don't see them in the West, as opposed to the idea that they are just unsafe. And I'm sure they are getting better on economics, but product support can be a tough one!
MHO From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 209 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 17801 times:
Quoting A342 (Reply 12): BTW, the pic shows once again how big the An-124 is ! They even carried Tu-204 fuselages in them.
Hey, Russian Matreshka Jets! Think they can make it to 7 nesting jets? Looks cool!
30 Superjet 95's and an option for a further 20 according to Wikipedia (not a very reliable source though).
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25 MidEx216: I agree. I think nobody gives them half a chance anymore. It's all A v B. Not A v B v I v T. I would totally love to see some Il-96s and Tu-154s in A
26 KSUpilot: I agree. If anything they are equal or even stronger than Western Aircraft...look at the type of environment that they operate in. Any aircraft that
27 FlyDreamliner: Hey, I'm excited the russians finally made something that someone will buy. What is the production total on IL96 at? 17 or so? I'm sure SNECMA will do
28 Levg79: I kind of doubt that BT will ever buy a Russian-made airplane due to the whole hatred of everything that is Russian. I think those 51 years of occupa
29 F14D4ever: Depends on if you're talking CF34-8 or CF34-10. The -10 is a new centerline engine, based on a 70% scale of the CFM56. It features 3D aero for fan, b
30 CV990A: Well- they did manage to convince the EBRD to help finance it, so clearly there are some Westerners who think it has some potential...
31 MIAMIx707: Probably the first Russian jetliner that I don't find attractive. That thing is almost as ugly as the A318. I thought it would at least look better th
32 Art: I read some time ago that Boeing was involved in marketing and setting up the service side of the project. If that's correct, I would think that's a
33 Irobertson: Anyone find those cockpit windows HUGE?? They seem massive compared to standard western windows... The IL-96 is gorgeous, IMHO. Its a real shame that
34 OwlEye: Wait a minute. This SSJ project is a cooperation between Russian and Western aviation manufacturers and investors.
35 NoUFO: Those unqualified comments are annoying. From what I know they still are. Correct. Boeing, Snecma and Alenia more precisely. But Suchoj don't really
36 Bimmerkid19: I hope to see this jet flying around! That would be soo cool to fly on that jet!
37 OwlEye: Agree! For the SSJ it's a good thing western companies are involved which makes sales easier to western airlines. The sale price of this Superjet see
38 Planemaker: Boeing's involvement would actually appear to be fairly limited - advisors only, judging from their own press releases... That's why Boeing Commercia
39 OwlEye: Why didn't Boeing step into the market of smaller jets?
40 OV735: Heh, funny. Although I imagine that this would more likely happen in one of those Boeings or Airbuses, made of plastic. Cheers, OV735
41 OwlEye: Paint your own Sukhoi Superjet 100 at the 'entertainment' page at Sukhoi's official Superjet 100 website: http://www.sukhoi.superjet100.com/en_flash.h
42 OwlEye: Is it an understatement that I find the Sukhoi Superjet 100 company livery design "different" than I expected for the introduction of a new aircraft?
43 A342: It was based on a brand-new demonstrator core called the SM21, IIRC. Haha, the CFM56 also dates back to the seventies. I know, the -7 is from the nin
44 Boeing777/747: In the next week, 6-13 February 2007, issue of 'Flight International' there will be a Superjet special.
45 Metroliner: you cannot be serious. signed, j.p. mcenroe
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