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User currently onlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19098 posts, RR: 53
Posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10362 times:

Well, not necessarily new news, but a bit of a round-up.

Oasis Hong Kong (08) presently flies daily HKG-LGW-HKG using two ex-SQ 744s in an 81 business and 278 economy layout.

I see that its lowest economy, all-inclusive one-way fare from HKG to LGW has gone down; it's now from 105 GBP (HKG$1619) including everything. Hence, a LGW-HKG-LGW ticket including everything is from about 243 GBP in economy.

It is reported that O8 will begin a non-stop HKG-OAK-HKG service in June, starting at once-daily.

O8 is expecting to gain permission to launch a non-stop HKG-YVR-HKG service within 3 or 4 months; that route is then due to be the airline's third.

Both HKG-OAK-HKG and HKG-YVR-HKG will be priced at around HKD$1000 one-way before tax and charges; hence, a one-way all-inclusive ticket to either Oakland or Vancouver will be from about 105 GBP/US$207.

O8 is expecting to operate about 25 744s within 5 years.

Other proposed routes include Paris, Berlin, Cologne, Milan, Zurich, Toronto, Boston, Chicago, New York and possibly to Hawaii; of these, Raymond Lee Cheuk, Oasis' chairman, has said that they have obtained licenses to fly to Chicago, Milan, Cologne and Berlin.

I can't wait for it to begin its HKG-OAK-HKG service.


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User currently offlineSam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10362 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Thread starter):
Hence, a LGW-HKG-LGW ticket including everything is from about 243 GBP in economy.

Not bad at all; a good 100 GBP cheaper than BA's lowest fare.

But what is the service like? I've heard mixed opinions.

Quoting Pe@rson (Thread starter):
O8 is expecting to operate about 25 744s within 5 years.

Exciting expansion plans. I don't see any reason why this isn't possible.



Next flights: LGW-LBA-LGW, LHR-SIN-SYD, SYD-BKK-LHR, LGW-GRO, GRO-CIA, CIA-MAD, MAD-LGW
User currently onlineBwest From Belgium, joined Jul 2006, 1356 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10362 times:

Does anybody know how they are doing on LGW-HKG ?


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User currently offlineQF744ER From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10343 times:

Oasis are having a problem sourcing 744's at the moment, hence the delay in expansion.

rgds

Tom/WA


User currently onlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19098 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10349 times:

Quoting Bwest (Reply 2):
Does anybody know how they are doing on LGW-HKG ?



Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 1):
But what is the service like?

Here's some customer reviews: http://www.airlinequality.com/Forum/oasis.htm

Generally, fine reviews.



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User currently offlineKevin777 From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1165 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10317 times:

Quoting Bwest (Reply 2):
Does anybody know how they are doing on LGW-HKG ?

Judging by the fare level they cannot be doing too fine. Okay, maybe they don't sell all the seats for 240 pounds, and maybe we're a bit off-season, but I reckon it's certainly a money-loosing affair as it is right now. Maybe VS, BA, CX and NZ aren't pulling the golden Y-fares either, but at least they got some full-fare paying C/F pax on each flight to subsidize the bargains; doubt that's the case for O8 - which is their Achilles heal.

Hate to be a party-pooper, and no, I am no expert on O8, but still I think they're facing strong headwind.

About the expansion plans: Berlin?????? Come on... nice place, but the city is shrinking and business life is virtually dead; it has two long-hauls (US) daily and limited relations to HKG. The UK-HKG market is huge in both business, leisure and VFR, HKG-BER isn't anywhere near..

Kevin777  Smile



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User currently offline9MMAR From Malaysia, joined Jul 2006, 2106 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 10215 times:

Quoting QF744ER (Reply 3):
Oasis are having a problem sourcing 744's at the moment

There's rumour that they are eyeing 2 MH's 744s. MH has quite a number of idle 744s.


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5831 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 10090 times:
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Quoting Pe@rson (Thread starter):
I can't wait for it to begin its HKG-OAK-HKG service.

Neither can I. I'm hoping those flights are during the day.


User currently offlineBA777 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2167 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 10051 times:

What about the ANA ones that they're getting rid of?

Henry


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 9915 times:

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 5):

Judging by the fare level they cannot be doing too fine. Okay, maybe they don't sell all the seats for 240 pounds, and maybe we're a bit off-season, but I reckon it's certainly a money-loosing affair as it is right now. Maybe VS, BA, CX and NZ aren't pulling the golden Y-fares either, but at least they got some full-fare paying C/F pax on each flight to subsidize the bargains; doubt that's the case for O8 - which is their Achilles heal.

I know load factor doesn't mean profitability, but O8 has had very good load factors....the fact they are trying to expand might be good news...

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 5):
About the expansion plans: Berlin?????? Come on... nice place, but the city is shrinking and business life is virtually dead; it has two long-hauls (US) daily and limited relations to HKG. The UK-HKG market is huge in both business, leisure and VFR, HKG-BER isn't anywhere near..

Before Berlin, I expect them to start OAK and then ORD..those two cities have been on their rader for quite a while...

Regards...



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User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6534 posts, RR: 55
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 9860 times:

They are currently in talks with MH, SA and NH. I believe that there is one NH 744 already confirmed.

User currently offlineCandid76 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 731 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9761 times:

It would be particularly nice if one of these new generation long haul airlines could pick up a batch of 743s, refurbish them and maybe put new two man cockpits into them. There are plenty of these available, and not many 744s, I imagine that if an upgrade was possible the actual purchase price of the airframes would be very low (if the number of 743s I saw in bits at Marana recently is anything to go by).

If airlines like Oasis start to proliferate and succeed then the cargo market may have a problem sourcing enough 744s. This would be good for the prospects of older 747 freighters, and possibly also for the 748F and 777F.


User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4445 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9738 times:

Is SQ a possible source for 744s? I know that they have been selling/leasing surplus 744s for a few years now.


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User currently offlineZRHnerd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9719 times:

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 1):
But what is the service like?

Is there any at all?  duck 


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 915 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9711 times:

Quoting CX747 (Reply 12):
Is SQ a possible source for 744s? I know that they have been selling/leasing surplus 744s for a few years now.

Their current 747-400s are ex-SQ, so it's certainly possible they could get more from Singapore in the future.

Quoting Candid76 (Reply 11):
It would be particularly nice if one of these new generation long haul airlines could pick up a batch of 743s, refurbish them and maybe put new two man cockpits into them.

Cockpit refurbishment alone would be very, very costly. Given the relativly small units Oasis is searching for, it would likely be most practical to continue searching for used 744.

Quoting Candid76 (Reply 11):
If airlines like Oasis start to proliferate and succeed then the cargo market may have a problem sourcing enough 744s.

Personally, I think it's great to see new 747 passenger airlines  thumbsup   thumbsup 


User currently offlineCV580Freak From Bahrain, joined Jul 2005, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9674 times:

Doesn't UA have a few 744's sitting in the desert ?


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User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6265 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9627 times:

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 5):
I reckon it's certainly a money-loosing affair as it is right now

Aren't most airlines at first?


User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2828 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9598 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 14):
Their current 747-400s are ex-SQ, so it's certainly possible they could get more from Singapore in the future.

The were indeed owned by SQ but used by IB until O8 got them. I flew on both last June when they were still with IB (EC-AMA and EC-AMB).



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User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4445 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 9495 times:

I would think that as more and more 777-300ERs join SQ's fleet, the 747-400s will be sold/leased/returned to leasors. This would provide Oasis with a common layout of cockpit and engines. Another airline might be British Airways. Over the next few years, BA's oldest 744s will be leaving the fleet. If Oasis makes it that long, BA's RR engined birds might be an option.


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User currently offlineBALAX From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8333 times:

These fares seem pretty inexpensive. How do they expect to make decent money on these routes, especially with the price of fuel nowadays. Also, what's the cabin crew pay like. I can't imagine it being that great.

User currently offlineColeplane From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7830 times:

This all seems a little reminiscent of Virgin's early years. Just a thought for my first a.net post.


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User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2010 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7789 times:

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 5):
About the expansion plans: Berlin?????? Come on... nice place, but the city is shrinking and business life is virtually dead; it has two long-hauls (US) daily and limited relations to HKG. The UK-HKG market is huge in both business, leisure and VFR, HKG-BER isn't anywhere near..

Aircraft handling fees in SXF are relatively low, that's always a factor for an LCC.

In continental Europe, I see them flying to CGN first. A huge LCC hub which would allow budget travelers from HK to connect to virtually all of Europe for a very low price, and vice versa.

It's too bad that the business model of LCCs doesn't allow them to cooperate and codeshare... imagine Oasis could offer 500 EUR roundtrips for a large number of European cities, even the more remote ones... and that on a regular basis... that would mean trouble for established airlines.



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User currently offlineThePRGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7192 times:

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 1):
But what is the service like? I've heard mixed opinions.

non existant?
I've heard there have been HUGE delays out of LGW

I've been twice in the last two months, and both times the OasisHK flights were delayed/cancelled


Troubled start - lets dhope they pick up and really "take off" - excuse the pun...

Alex


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7322 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7133 times:

Would Oasis Hong Kong ever be interested in any of the LA area airports?


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User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 21
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7002 times:

Wasn't it rumored a few months back that Oasis was also looking for something smaller than the 744...something along the lines of a 772ER?

Would think that 772ERs are kind of hard to get hands on yet. Could they use a non-ER 777-200?



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25 B747-437B : Um... I don't think so. They are >90% on-time over the last couple months that I can recall. Their crew layover at the same hotel as mine do, so I ke
26 DfwRevolution : The 777-200A would require a tech stop for North America or Europe. It could opperate non-stop from HKG to most of the mid-East, India, Asia, and Aus
27 LTU932 : Make that TF-AMA and TF-AMB. After SQ phased out these two 744s, they were leased to CC. CC then wetleased them to IB.
28 Kevin : Can't wait to see them in Vancouver. Or may be they would even consider flying to Calgary, Canadian so called "low-cost" hub (Westjet). We are really
29 Centrair : I thought I read something about a relationship with Germanwings or some other German LCC. Anyone wanna bet that B6 will knock on their door when the
30 Post contains images Pe@rson : Perhaps do a bit of research before spouting such drivel. You get food, drink and IFE included in the price with O8. You can update your food to Gour
31 Coleplane : Oasis would be looking at any route that's potentially profitable, which would include LA. Management would also assess each target markets load fact
32 Post contains images JetBlueGuy2006 : Welcome to A.net. Enjoy the turbulence that has become of this wonderful site.
33 Centrair : Wanna know what is sad? O8's 744 in Y sounds better than NW's 744 in Y. At least on O8 you don't have to look over 100 people to see a center screen.
34 MarshalN : You can probably substitute this for almost any US airlines flying over the Pacific. UA service is also dismal. CO is slightly better, IMO.
35 Coleplane : Thanks for the welcome JetBlueGuy. I'm having to brush up on my abbreviations, prefixes, etc. Other than that, ready to join the mix once and awhile.
36 Post contains images ZRHnerd : Why getting all personal about it? It's just because not everybody is such an LCC lover like you are. Would be nice if you enlightened us about why,
37 Post contains links Peterinlisbon : I flew on the first flight from Hong Kong to London. I was very impressed with the service and I felt that the delay was dealt with very well (we were
38 Kevin777 : True, guess I wasn't being specific. What I meant was that if it continues like this - and nothing seems to indicate a radical change - it'll be a mo
39 Comeflywithme : The major carriers are starting to match Oasis prices lately from London so it looks as if they may be in for a fight,in fact Air NZ's new service was
40 MCOflyer : There is a TR for O8 on here. I know O8 can get some from MH and SQ. Hopefully the number of 744's available will rise. MCOflyer
41 Post contains links MCOflyer : Oasis Hong Kong: LGW-HKG-LGW (by Raventom Dec 13 2006 in Trip Reports) Check it out. MCOflyer
42 MH017 : Do not forget lot's of Poles and Czech people fly from/into one of the Berlin airports; have even seen taxis coming straight from the Szczecin-area t
43 SW733 : Two things: 1) How many Poles and Czechs go to Hong Kong? Not enough to fill a 744, I would argue, at least not on any regular basis. 2) They also go
44 BuyantUkhaa : Ah I didn't know that. I only saw the regs on the nose gear doors saying AMA and AMB and I assumed they had Spanish registries.
45 Pe@rson : I love Italians - well, one - and certainly not an airline. How would I go to bed with an airline? And a low-cost one at that! What a frightful propo
46 Pe@rson : I think everyone is forgetting the fact that it has this number of seats in business class: That is a huge amount. Its lead-in all-inclusive business
47 Post contains images Kevin777 : You got that right!... But wouldn't wanna be the airline!... Kevin777
48 Pe@rson : If O8 is expecting to begin HKG-OAK-HKG this June, when might it start to sell tickets? I recall that tickets for HKG-LGW-HKG were only available 1-2
49 Pe@rson : The minimum all-in return fare for LGW-HKG-LGW if I book using O8's UK website is about 263 GBP. If, however, I use its HKG website, I can get LGW-HKG
50 Kevin777 : Actually, there have been cases of this in the EU; and the Commission has been very keen on stopping this form of price discrimination. However, when
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