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B6 Posts 4Q And Full Year Profits For 2006  
User currently offlineFA4B6 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3360 times:

JetBlue Announces Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2006 Results

Low-Fare Airline Achieves 10.2 Percent Operating Margin for Fourth Quarter 2006

NEW YORK, Jan. 30, 2007 (PRIME NEWSWIRE) (PRIMEZONE)
-- JetBlue Airways Corporation (Nasdaq:JBLU) today reported its results for the fourth quarter and full year 2006


Full story: http://www.primenewswire.com/newsroom/news.html?d=112694

38 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineEvilForce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3304 times:

Wow, good for B6! $64 million in profit for the quarter.

User currently offlineAirlineFanatic From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3234 times:

Glad to see Blue's bold departure from a pure LCC strategy showing result especially for the naysayers who keep narrowing the window of life on JetBlue... seven years next month!

User currently offlineWmupilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1473 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3221 times:

Nice to see the numbers are back in the black, even before some crewmembers start taking the R&R. Let's hope we can continue this all the way through 2007!


JetBlue - Bringing humanity back to air travel
User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4296 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3147 times:

I think that this turnaround will upset many of JetBlue's naysayers, many of whom thought JetBlue wouldn't live to see their fifth birthday. Instead, they are still going strong at their seventh birthday! Good job and congrats on a solid year!

I do caution, however, that this turnaround is not complete and there is still some work to be done. For starters, the profit was pre-tax, meaning there was a post-tax loss (my understanding is that this was very small). A healthy, growing company has to show sustained profitability, and 2007 will be a key year in determining how JetBlue goes forward. I would also like to point out one detraction: JetBlue had to sell aircraft in 2006, although their overall fleet did grow substantially. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that they can't keep selling off their oldest planes every year just to remain profitable, so perhaps their growth plan was too aggressive after all. And, how will moving to 150-seat A320s affect their future financials?

Well, we can Monday-morning QB these results all we want, especially if you compare them to the rest of the industry. But I think, if nothing else, JetBlue responded very well in the face of adversity and has performed even better than they said they would for 2006. They have proved that they are here for the long-haul (and the short- to medium-haul!) by providing steady, consistent growth over a tumultuous period in their history. It should be an interesting 2007 for them! Congrats again, B6.

I'll finish with what I have been saying about JetBlue's financial performance for at least the past year. Despite their troubles and occasional fumbles, they are in better financial health than most of the other major US carriers. I think this is still very true.



None shall pass!!!!
User currently offlineWerdywerd From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 603 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3138 times:

* Operating revenues for the quarter totaled $633 million, representing growth of 42.1% over operating revenues of $446 million in the fourth quarter of 2005. For the full year, operating revenues totaled $2.26 billion, representing growth of 38.9% over operating revenues of $1.70 billion for the full year 2005.


* Operating income for the quarter was $64 million, resulting in a 10.2% operating margin, compared to an operating loss of $31 million and a negative 7.1% operating margin in the fourth quarter of 2005. For the full year 2006, operating income was $127 million, resulting in an operating margin of 5.4%. This compares with operating income of $48 million and a 2.8% operating margin for the full year 2005.


* Pre-tax income for the quarter was $30 million, compared with a pre-tax loss of $55 million in the year-ago period. For the full year, pre-tax income was $9 million, compared with a pre-tax loss of $24 million for the full year 2005.


* Net income for the quarter was $17 million, representing earnings of $0.10 per diluted share, compared with fourth quarter 2005 net loss of $42 million, or a loss of $0.25 per diluted share. For the full year 2006, net loss totaled $1 million, or $0.00 per diluted share, compared with a net loss of $20 million, or a loss of $0.13 per diluted share, for the full year 2005.


User currently offlineCa2ohHP From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 955 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3138 times:

Congrats B6...goodluck in 2007.

User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1001 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3103 times:

Quoting AirlineFanatic (Reply 2):
Glad to see Blue's bold departure from a pure LCC strategy

Might want to tap the brakes there...

Quoting Richierich (Reply 4):
I think that this turnaround will upset many of JetBlue's naysayers, many of whom thought JetBlue wouldn't live to see their fifth birthday. Instead, they are still going strong at their seventh birthday! Good job and congrats on a solid year!

I am personally very relieved to see B6 getting back on its feet. With any luck, 2007 and 2008 will be strong growth years. A small portion of my stock portfolio depends on it  goodvibes 


User currently offlineBlrBird From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 579 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3097 times:

Congrats and goodluck B6!


from star dust....
User currently offlineLowecur From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 585 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3060 times:

Of more concern is they missed by a penny, and they are forecasting a loss in the 1st Q (analysts were projecting a profit). I think some of the new cities are not performing as well as they expected, and pricing has shifted some of the former B6 customers to other carriers.

Jetblue has some serious employee issues that will need to be resolved in 2007. Pilot's are unhappy and may vote on a union this year. If that happens, then the domino's will begin to fall with other employee groups. This will put a strain on cash and futher limit Jetblue's growth in the near future. They will probably defer more orders to rein in costs. Lack of profits this year could force the BOD to look at any offers from private equity that will infuse much needed capital and take the pressure off of current mgt to keep shareholders happy. An option that will be reviewed if the above unfolds is a possible merger with F9 (formerly thought to be a problem due to their union membership).

New alliances on merger partners will occur as the DL/US Air possibility sunsets. New alliances will have smaller duplication of routes, and thus will offer fewer assets for purchase by low cost carriers. F9 will look much more palatable as this unfolds.

If the 2nd Q doesn't offer a much improved financial future, then look for the BOD to look seriously at private equity offers.


User currently offlineAirlineFanatic From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3043 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 7):
Might want to tap the brakes there...

Care to explain why I might want to "tap brakes"?


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1001 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2997 times:

Quoting AirlineFanatic (Reply 10):
Care to explain why I might want to "tap brakes"?

Calling jetBlue a "bold" departure from the typical LCC model (which alone is like saying: normal teenager) is a highly subjective comment. You will find a wide range of opinion regarding what aspects of B6 are "bold," and whether those decisions have been successful.


User currently offlineJetbluenyfl From United States of America, joined May 2006, 274 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2996 times:

Congrats to jetBlue on a very nice turnaround! May their be more blue skies ahead for this great company!

Quoting Lowecur (Reply 9):
Of more concern is they missed by a penny, and they are forecasting a loss in the 1st Q (analysts were projecting a profit). I think some of the new cities are not performing as well as they expected, and pricing has shifted some of the former B6 customers to other carriers.

Most cities take TIME to develop. Year-over-year results are not even available in the newest cities. JetBlue's load factor is not down too much, and as other carriers cut capacity altogether, that proves that some of the "former B6 customers" are not shifting to other carriers.

Quoting Lowecur (Reply 9):
Jetblue has some serious employee issues that will need to be resolved in 2007. Pilot's are unhappy and may vote on a union this year. If that happens, then the domino's will begin to fall with other employee groups. This will put a strain on cash and futher limit Jetblue's growth in the near future.

Serious employee issues? Pleaseeeeeeee. Crewmembers at jetBlue are more than happy...especially now because profit sharing is back again! They work hard, implementing the RTP and it pays off. That simple. JetBlue takes great care of its people, and several unions have already been turned down...most recently the IAM. If only the "serious employee issues" at jetBlue were the same in terms of seriousness at NW, DL, etc....

Quoting Lowecur (Reply 9):
They will probably defer more orders to rein in costs. Lack of profits this year could force the BOD to look at any offers from private equity that will infuse much needed capital and take the pressure off of current mgt to keep shareholders happy.

Do you mean sell off more planes or actually defer more orders? JetBlue already adjusted their fleet delivery plans for the Airbus AND Embraer. The company is on very good terms with both manufacturers and I doubt we'll see any more deferrals.

Quoting Lowecur (Reply 9):
An option that will be reviewed if the above unfolds is a possible merger with F9 (formerly thought to be a problem due to their union membership).

Forget unions...the engines on F9's Airbus family do not match those used on jetBlue's A320 aircraft. F9 has a different concept by charging for the TV...

Quoting Lowecur (Reply 9):
If the 2nd Q doesn't offer a much improved financial future, then look for the BOD to look seriously at private equity offers.

MUCH improved financial future? I think that what we learned this morning is in fact much improved compared to one year ago, Things will keep getting better as oil prices are steady and lower, customer loyalty to jetBlue is high and costs are controlled as revenue increases.



jetBlue...Bringing Humanity Back To Air Travel!
User currently offlineAirlineFanatic From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2922 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 11):
Calling jetBlue a "bold" departure from the typical LCC model (which alone is like saying: normal teenager) is a highly subjective comment. You will find a wide range of opinion regarding what aspects of B6 are "bold," and whether those decisions have been successful.

the comment may be subjective and opinions will always exist about anything that can be debated, but the facts are that B6 does not maintain the typical LCC model - even you can't argue that:

- two fleet types
- range of small, medium and large markets
- passenger conveniences (legroom, tv's, snack service, amenities)

Whether parts of the strategy are successful can be debated but you would first have to define what success is. All in - JetBlue is a major carrier playing a role in the industry PERIOD.


User currently offlineLowecur From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 585 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2901 times:

Quoting Jetbluenyfl (Reply 12):
Most cities take TIME to develop. Year-over-year results are not even available in the newest cities. JetBlue's load factor is not down too much, and as other carriers cut capacity altogether, that proves that some of the "former B6 customers" are not shifting to other carriers.

Agree, but some new city pairs are not up to 320 projections and will be adjusted to the 190 accordingly.

Quoting Jetbluenyfl (Reply 12):
Serious employee issues? Pleaseeeeeeee. Crewmembers at jetBlue are more than happy...especially now because profit sharing is back again! They work hard, implementing the RTP and it pays off. That simple. JetBlue takes great care of its people, and several unions have already been turned down...most recently the IAM. If only the "serious employee issues" at jetBlue were the same in terms of seriousness at NW, DL, etc....

Last payraise for 190's was divisive. Some 190 pilots were unhappy with small raise, while other 320 pilots felt slighted. Lot's of talk on pilot boards about unionization this year. Could be posturing...time will tell, but if it happens the flood gates could open for other employee groups.

Quoting Jetbluenyfl (Reply 12):
Do you mean sell off more planes or actually defer more orders? JetBlue already adjusted their fleet delivery plans for the Airbus AND Embraer. The company is on very good terms with both manufacturers and I doubt we'll see any more deferrals.

Depends on 2nd and 3rd Q in 2007. If projections don't pan out, then B6 could be forced to trim more costs and reduce further expansion if a private equity buyout is turned down.

Quoting Jetbluenyfl (Reply 12):
Forget unions...the engines on F9's Airbus family do not match those used on jetBlue's A320 aircraft. F9 has a different concept by charging for the TV...

The bigger issue will be the need for a key hub in either the midwest or a bit further west. DIA in spite of it's weather related problems this year is an excellent facility that has reasonable costs. F9 is well established and it's system is complimentary to B6.

Quoting Jetbluenyfl (Reply 12):
MUCH improved financial future? I think that what we learned this morning is in fact much improved compared to one year ago, Things will keep getting better as oil prices are steady and lower, customer loyalty to jetBlue is high and costs are controlled as revenue increases.

Jetblue is a highly leveraged company that is in debt up to it's arz. They need a larger cash balance in the coming years to protect their future against an evitable downturn. 2007 is key to whether the plan is viable enough to work towards that end. If things don't improve markedly by 2nd Q, I think the BOD will consider a private equity buy out.


User currently offlineJ32driver From United States of America, joined May 2000, 399 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2855 times:

Lowecur,

I've watched these boards for years and watched you post longer than I've been around. I'd give a case of beer to know exactly who you are. I don't think you are a flight crew member, but I think despite everything you say, you are on the inside at JetBlue. And fairly high placed too. I don't buy for a second that you are an insurance salesman. Lemme know when you want that beer... we'll meet and I'll give it to you in person.


User currently offlineLowecur From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 585 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2795 times:

Quoting J32driver (Reply 15):
Lowecur,

I've watched these boards for years and watched you post longer than I've been around. I'd give a case of beer to know exactly who you are. I don't think you are a flight crew member, but I think despite everything you say, you are on the inside at JetBlue. And fairly high placed too. I don't buy for a second that you are an insurance salesman. Lemme know when you want that beer... we'll meet and I'll give it to you in person.

You are wrong. I am just an insurance salesman with an interest in this business. If I were on the inside a B6, Neeleman & Co would have already fereted me out and sent me on my way. My thoughts are just speculation met to trigger discussion, nothing more.


User currently offlineWmupilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1473 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2746 times:

Quoting Jetbluenyfl (Reply 12):
Serious employee issues? Pleaseeeeeeee. Crewmembers at jetBlue are more than happy...especially now because profit sharing is back again! They work hard, implementing the RTP and it pays off. That simple. JetBlue takes great care of its people, and several unions have already been turned down...most recently the IAM. If only the "serious employee issues" at jetBlue were the same in terms of seriousness at NW, DL, etc....

Actually the pilot and flight attendant groups are very unhappy right now. AFA is poking their head around and seeing what the flight attendants are feeling. I think the company is looking very closely at what they can do to increase moral and stave off another attempt to unionize the 2 work groups. 2007 is a very important year for the company, especially the 1st and possibly the 2nd quarter.



JetBlue - Bringing humanity back to air travel
User currently offlineEvilForce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2711 times:

The fact that a company in the airline industry pulled a profit is nothing short of amazing given oil prices and the state of the industry in 2006. Give kudos where they are due!

F/A's constantly piss and moan no matter what. Every airline has a group of unhappy employees. Heck, every company has a group of unhappy employees. Negative Neds/Nancys will always complain about something.


User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3018 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2643 times:

Quoting Lowecur (Reply 9):
Jetblue has some serious employee issues that will need to be resolved in 2007. Pilot's are unhappy and may vote on a union this year.



Quoting Lowecur (Reply 14):
Last payraise for 190's was divisive. Some 190 pilots were unhappy with small raise, while other 320 pilots felt slighted. Lot's of talk on pilot boards about unionization this year. Could be posturing...time will tell, but if it happens the flood gates could open for other employee groups.

I'm pretty sure that pay raises occur every year or so - I saw a scale somewhere. As far as I know, the pay that each crew member receives is in the contract. Flight attendants and csa's get paid an additional 5% each year, and A320 pilots top out at $134/hr I believe. E190 pilots top out in the $110's, but don't quote me on that.

BTW profit sharing was back for the year, which certainly helps morale.

JetBluefan1



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User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4296 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2634 times:

Quoting Lowecur (Reply 16):
I am just an insurance salesman with an interest in this business. If I were on the inside a B6, Neeleman & Co would have already fereted me out and sent me on my way. My thoughts are just speculation met to trigger discussion, nothing more.

Interesting. I don't always agree with your comments, but at least you put some good thought into what you say. Like J32driver, I respect that.

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 19):
BTW profit sharing was back for the year, which certainly helps morale.

But I'm guessing it wasn't much... still something is better than nothing. If I were a B6 crewmember, I'd be happy to get something. A lot of other airline crews will not.



None shall pass!!!!
User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1001 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2600 times:

Quoting AirlineFanatic (Reply 13):
even you can't argue that:

Watch me.

Quoting AirlineFanatic (Reply 13):
- two fleet types

Not the first LCC nor only with multiple fleet types. Both TZ and HP opperated mix fleets of 737, A320, or 757 well before jetBlue.

Quoting AirlineFanatic (Reply 13):
- range of small, medium and large markets

Not the first nor only LCC with this distinction. WN offers service from cities like Los Angles (population 10 million) to Corpus Christi (population 280,000), and they were doing it decades before jetBlue.

Quoting AirlineFanatic (Reply 13):
- passenger conveniences (legroom, tv's, snack service, amenities)

None of which is exclusive to jetBlue or was even introduced by jetBlue first.

Quoting AirlineFanatic (Reply 13):
Whether parts of the strategy are successful can be debated but you would first have to define what success is.

What do you think it means? Playing a "role" in the industry does not make jetBlue successful. United, Delta, and Northwest play roles in the industry without making money.

jetBlue's success needs to come from profitable operations and it is welcome news to a shareholder like myself to see them back on track. Having closely followed jetBlue, I will not hide my opinion that some of those "bold" moves (what, do you work for Ford?) may have contributed to the financial troubles that slowed down the growth of the airline.

Even with all jetBlue's merits, they are still more like any other LCC in North America, than not.


User currently offlineWsan581 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2502 times:

Quoting Lowecur (Reply 9):
Of more concern is they missed by a penny, and they are forecasting a loss in the 1st Q (analysts were projecting a profit).

The loss in Q1 is driven by cost associated wit the 150 seat mod. This is a one time cost, and B6 is predicting a full year profit for 07.



Blue Skies Ahead!!
User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26795 posts, RR: 75
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2483 times:

Quoting Werdywerd (Reply 5):
For the full year 2006, net loss totaled $1 million, or $0.00 per diluted share

So they actually lost money.

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 21):
Los Angles (population 10 million)

More than that.

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 21):
Corpus Christi (population 280,000),

Not to mention Jackson, which is about half that size.



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User currently offlineLowecur From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 585 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2435 times:

Quoting Wsan581 (Reply 22):
The loss in Q1 is driven by cost associated wit the 150 seat mod. This is a one time cost, and B6 is predicting a full year profit for 07

Didn't listen to the cc, is that what was said? I'm sure there is a significant cost, but one that will be mitigated even is the 1st Q by a reduction of FA's.


25 B6WNQX : They said that the mod's will cost about $3M in Q1 but it will have a net effect of about $30M annually (this includes missed revenue and all costs t
26 Steeler83 : I think the LFs for PIT-JFK/BOS are finally improving, considering that B6's fares are practically down in the cargo hold at $29 one way. I haven't se
27 Post contains images JetBlueAtJFK : Well congrats to B6 for getting further on the road to recovery. From what I see the next 2 years are going to be very important for them. 2007 will h
28 Valcory : For the full year 2006, net loss totaled $1 million Where is the profit?
29 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Other carriers such as CO, HP/US, UA have also.... ..and we know what happened to TZ.... ..though I used to fly with TZ quite a bit many years ago..
30 JetBluefan1 : Only seats have been removed - not the fourth FA. That still needs to be approved by the FAA, which could take a few more months. Actually, while the
31 EvilForce : I agree! They deserve kudos as well. I posted a congrats on the HP/US profit thread. I haven't seen one yet for CO or UA yet.
32 NASBWI : Maybe, but can you directly attribute TZ's troubles with their multiple-fleet plan? Or did their problems run much deeper than that? I'd be willing t
33 Post contains images AirplaneBoy : Congrats B6! Hi Jetbluenyfl! A recurring topic between F9 and B6 is the issue of B6 offering complimentary DirecTV service on all flights, while F9 ch
34 Jacobin777 : It had more to do with their rapid fleet expansion more than anything else....I was taking the piss about the comment regarding their "multi-fleet"..
35 Richierich : I think the tv's were a first for JetBlue. Or did Legend beat them to it? I know a lot of people that would never have considered HP a LCC. Pre-tax p
36 Lowecur : Jetblue will likely sell or lease an additional 5 320's in 2007. They will take delivery of 12 a/c in 2007, but if they get rid of 5, the net will be
37 AirlineFanatic : In 2007, they will take delivery of a total of 22 a/c (12 A320 and 10 E190) and they did mention that they can and will sell or lease aircraft if ter
38 Post contains images F9Animal : OMG!! B6 made money? Oh man! There has to be something wrong with that. It must be an accounting error! Oh no!!!! B6 is shutting down asap! LOL! Congr
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