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Why Do BA Have Films On Flights To ATH, IST & DME?  
User currently offline8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1236 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7016 times:

I may be answering my own question, because I know these flights are operated by B767 aircraft. But they are also operated by A32X aircraft too.

So am I right in thinking that the flights operated by the B767 have films on board and the ones with the A32X do not? Is that not a little unfair for the pax who end up with the A32X?

Are the films just shown because these are the slightly longer european flights? Are they shown in the overhead screens?

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User currently offlineBMED From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 860 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7000 times:

I know when I went to Larnaca it was on a 767 that showed a film each way but there was 1 flight a week that was 320 operated which wouldn't show a film. I guess the 767 has the screens to show a film and with the flights been longer the airline maybe feels its nicer for the customers?


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User currently offlineSpeedbirdie From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 918 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6985 times:

Quoting 8herveg (Thread starter):
Are the films just shown because these are the slightly longer european flights? Are they shown in the overhead screens?

Yes, Basically.
You did just answer your own question!



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6967 times:

Heh, try flying United on IAD-SFO on an A319 in domestic first and then coming back on an internationally equipped 767-300ER in business.

Who cares about fair, really? DL doesn't have IFE on the MD-88, so you could end up flying out on one then back on a 737-800 with IFE.

NS


User currently offlineKaneporta1 From Greece, joined May 2005, 745 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6956 times:

I fly to ATH with BA quite often and hey show films on their 767s, but with the 320, it's a gamble. I've been in A320 flights with a film shown, flights with no film, just map and flights with nothing at all.
Then again, the 767's screens are not in the best condition and not in the best position if you have a window seat.



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User currently offline8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6945 times:

Quoting BMED (Reply 1):
I know when I went to Larnaca it was on a 767 that showed a film each way but there was 1 flight a week that was 320 operated which wouldn't show a film. I guess the 767 has the screens to show a film and with the flights been longer the airline maybe feels its nicer for the customers?

Larnaca is not a European destination though. The A32Xs do have screens, but they just don't show movies/programmes on them. Just the safety video which is ashame really.

Is the Larnaca flight EuroTraveller and Club World or WT, WTP and Club? It should really be the latter since Larnaca is on the Turkish side of Cyprus, and therefore part of Asia, not Europe.


User currently offline8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6935 times:

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 5):
Is the Larnaca flight EuroTraveller and Club World

Sorry, I meant Club Europe...


User currently offlineSpeedbirdie From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 918 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6936 times:

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 5):
Larnaca is not a European destination though. The A32Xs do have screens, but they just don't show movies/programmes on them. Just the safety video which is ashame really.

Is the Larnaca flight EuroTraveller and Club World or WT, WTP and Club? It should really be the latter since Larnaca is on the Turkish side of Cyprus, and therefore part of Asia, not Europe.

Its luck of the draw really if you do get a 32X aircraft which TV screens work. A lot of them do and therefore, we do play movies on ones which do work.
Larnaca is considered a European Destination as Shorthaul Crew operate this flight with Shorthaul Configured 767s and therefore, there is no Club World or WT or WTP, but Standard Club Europe and Euro Traveller



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User currently offline8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6922 times:

Quoting Speedbirdie (Reply 7):
Its luck of the draw really if you do get a 32X aircraft which TV screens work. A lot of them do and therefore, we do play movies on ones which do work.

May be a stupid question, but why wouldn't they work? BAs A32Xs aren't THAT old are they??

And if so many of them do not work, should they not think about fixing them!?!

Is it just the A32X flights to ATH, IST & DME which might get a movie or is it other A32X destinations as well?


User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3926 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6892 times:

The last time I flew with BA (bout 3yrs ago at this stage!) The 319s all had little flip down LCS monitors, where as the 320s did not. I imagine that they have been fitted to at least some of the 320s now, so I assume thats what was mentioned in an earlier post.

On my flights (LHR-LIN(319) and MXP-LHR(320)) I only recall a map being displayed. Which is a nice distraction if you get bored of the book or high-life!



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User currently offlineSpeedbirdie From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 918 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6884 times:

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 8):
May be a stupid question, but why wouldn't they work? BAs A32Xs aren't THAT old are they??

And if so many of them do not work, should they not think about fixing them!?!

Is it just the A32X flights to ATH, IST & DME which might get a movie or is it other A32X destinations as well?

No the A32Xs are not that old, just sometimes the Video Player goes Tech a lot more than anything else.. or the CSD forgets to get the tapes!!
Only Band 4 flights have movies on them.



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User currently offline8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6874 times:

Quoting Speedbirdie (Reply 10):
CSD

Could you explain what this is please?

Quoting Speedbirdie (Reply 10):
Only Band 4 flights have movies on them.

Which flights are in this category generally?


User currently offlineCV580Freak From Bahrain, joined Jul 2005, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6876 times:

Thats is a longggggg way without any entertainment, even QR shows Tom & Gerry or (usually) Mr Bean on their A319/320/321's from DOH to BAH  Smile


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User currently offlineSpeedbirdie From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 918 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6861 times:

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 11):
Could you explain what this is please?

Cabin Service Director... The person in charge of the flight. On a 32X its a Purser. Sometimes they forget to collect the taped before they board the flight.

I knew you would ask me the Band 4 question!! Thing is im half asleep so ill try and remember and say ATH/LCA/DME and errrr think of the rest when I wake up and get back to you! Big grin



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User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6841 times:

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 11):
Could you explain what this is please?

AKAIK: CSD=Customer Service Director, i.e. chief crew member.


User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2527 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6841 times:

Quoting Speedbirdie (Reply 13):
Cabin Service Director... The person in charge of the flight. On a 32X its a Purser. Sometimes they forget to collect the taped before they board the flight.

Not very professionnal Sad

Quoting Speedbirdie (Reply 13):
I knew you would ask me the Band 4 question!! Thing is im half asleep so ill try and remember and say ATH/LCA/DME and errrr think of the rest when I wake up and get back to you!

Even SOF, LED, BUH, KBP and TIP could apply for band 4, don't you think so?
And BA has LCDs, they could provide IFE in each flight lasting more than one hour : Candid Camera are a lot of fun.



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User currently offlineSpeedbirdie From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 918 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6812 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 15):
Not very professionnal

Crew are Human too and they make just as many mistakes. Especially when you have a short time to do a briefing and rush to the bus to the aircraft collecting your bags on the way.. These things can be forgotten.

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 15):
Even SOF, LED, BUH, KBP and TIP could apply for band 4, don't you think so?

Im sure these are classed as Band 3s.. Ill have to look it up..
By the way.. Where is BUH?? BA dont fly there!



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User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6795 times:

Quoting Speedbirdie (Reply 13):

Beat me to it Big grin

Quoting Speedbirdie (Reply 16):
By the way.. Where is BUH?? BA dont fly there

Only way Id klnow is by scrolling over it, and as theres no link, Im up shit creek Big grin, maybe BUD?


User currently offline8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6774 times:

Quoting Speedbirdie (Reply 13):
Cabin Service Director... The person in charge of the flight. On a 32X its a Purser. Sometimes they forget to collect the taped before they board the flight.



Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 15):
Not very professionnal

I would completly agree. Yes I know the crew are humans as well, but people are paying a lot of money for these flights. If it happened once in a blue moon because of a serious reason then perhaps they could be forgiven, but you talk about it as if it happens all the time and it doesn't really matter:

Quoting Speedbirdie (Reply 10):
or the CSD forgets to get the tapes!!

I think all BAs flights should have IFE on their short-haul flights. I assume all A32X aircraft have the drop down screens now?

They don't have to show a full length movie. Perhaps the BBC News, and a couple of episodes of a soap or comedy/drama. E.g. Friends. And perhaps MTV or something?


User currently offlineLan1981 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6769 times:

Air Malta, you are correct; IST, TIP, OTP, SOF, KBP, LED, DME, ATH and LCA are classed as 'Band 4'; this means a slightly higher level of service is offered; hot meals in Traveller as well as Club and some form of IFE.

Unfortunately, there is some inconsistency in the provision of IFE on those routes, as some of you have pointed out.

As discussed, all 767s have the capability to offer IFE; only some of BA's A320s have the same capability (although all offer the 'moving map' option). Our 319s and 321s apparently only offer the 'moving map' facility - nothing else.

This explains why movies are shown on some 320 services to ATH, IST and LCA, but not all.

With regards to our other longer-range shorthaul destinations (TIP, OTP etc.), IFE is never offered (regardless of whether the service is operated by the 320 or 767) because BA do not deem it 'cost-effective'. As far as the airline is concerned, there is little or no comptetition on the above routes and therefore it is not necessary to offer IFE (which costs money).

I personally believe this to be wrong-headed, especially as the company is keen to offer a 'consistent' product, regardless of the competition on a particular route.


User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6743 times:

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 18):
think all BAs flights should have IFE on their short-haul flights. I assume all A32X aircraft have the drop down screens now?

They don't have to show a full length movie. Perhaps the BBC News, and a couple of episodes of a soap or comedy/drama. E.g. Friends. And perhaps MTV or something?

I agree in some ways, although why shoudl BA offer this. The majority of flights without IFE are within 2 hous and most PAX will read or chat amongst themselves, the only way it would work is with headsets and why offer it when none of the competiton is?


User currently offlineCY319 From Cyprus, joined Apr 2006, 396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6733 times:

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 5):
Larnaca is not a European destination though

Cyprus has always been considered as a European country, like Malta and the Canary islands. It s not a grey case like Israel. And of course, Cyprus is a member of the E.U since 2004!

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 5):
It should really be the latter since Larnaca is on the Turkish side of Cyprus, and therefore part of Asia

R u serious? Larnaca is on the Greek side!!! There are no direct flights to the Turkish side from any Country other than Turkey. The turkish side hasnt been recognized internationally and thus any direct int/nal flights to the Turkish part would be considered illegal.

8herveg...I m impressed with your lack of knowledge in Geography, not to mention history or politics.



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User currently offline8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6733 times:

Quoting Lan1981 (Reply 19):
Air Malta, you are correct; IST, TIP, OTP, SOF, KBP, LED, DME, ATH and LCA are classed as 'Band 4'; this means a slightly higher level of service is offered; hot meals in Traveller as well as Club and some form of IFE.

Unfortunately, there is some inconsistency in the provision of IFE on those routes, as some of you have pointed out.

As discussed, all 767s have the capability to offer IFE; only some of BA's A320s have the same capability (although all offer the 'moving map' option). Our 319s and 321s apparently only offer the 'moving map' facility - nothing else.

This explains why movies are shown on some 320 services to ATH, IST and LCA, but not all.

With regards to our other longer-range shorthaul destinations (TIP, OTP etc.), IFE is never offered (regardless of whether the service is operated by the 320 or 767) because BA do not deem it 'cost-effective'. As far as the airline is concerned, there is little or no comptetition on the above routes and therefore it is not necessary to offer IFE (which costs money).

I personally believe this to be wrong-headed, especially as the company is keen to offer a 'consistent' product, regardless of the competition on a particular route.

Thankyou. Nice thorough answer.

So am I right in thinking, that if I want to travel to Athens on BA, with on of their B767s, I am guaranteed some sort of IFE?

Or is it only if the CSD remembers to pick the tape up?? Or if it hasn't gone tech?!!?


User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6715 times:

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 22):
Or is it only if the CSD remembers to pick the tape up?? Or if it hasn't gone tech?!!?

Smartass  Silly

Yes expect to see IFE, and shout at the CSD if not Big grin (no dont, it might be an A.netter)


User currently offlineLan1981 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6709 times:

That is correct; it is up to the in-charge crewmember (CSD on the 767, Purser on the Airbus) to collect the IFE before leaving for the aircraft; forgetting to do this is poor organization but it is not a frequent occurence; what is more likely is equipment failure on the aircraft, or failure to deliver headsets to the aircraft.

25 Post contains images David L : Exactly. If Canada occupied Cyprus, it wouldn't suddenly be part of North America! In any case, Turkey straddles the divide between Europe and Asia -
26 Edina : The first batch of BA A320s are some of the oldest out.....the G-BUSx series ordered by BCal are fairly old & G-BUSD has already been scrapped. The n
27 Post contains images Edina : See my post above!
28 Post contains images LHRBFSTrident : CY319 is correct 8herveg! Cyprus is very much a member of the EU - and a rich one at that: contributing a great deal to help fund French & Polish far
29 Cyba : I love this! Yet another well informed post on this site....???
30 Post contains images Sketty222 : LCA is a European destination! It is on the Greek side of Cyprus. To be honest though Turkey is now classed as a European country as well. Well at le
31 8herveg : Whats that supposed to mean?
32 TristarSteve : The nine old A320s have no IFE All the later A319/320/321 have flip down screens to show Safety demo and moving map. There are ten A320 UUA-UUJ which
33 Anax : Larnaca actually IS a european destination. And of course not on the turkish occupated part of Cyprus. Geography wasn't your best lesson 8herveg , wa
34 8herveg : Alight, no need to be sarcy. I knew Cyprus was split into the Greek and Turkish side...just thought Larnaca was on the Turkish side thats all. And ac
35 Post contains links and images Cambrian : I travel to Athens frequently, and it is exactly this kind of inconsistency on BA that drove me to the arms of the competition. The 767's have shabby
36 Lan1981 : Couldn't agree more; the company's management is of the opinion that our reputation alone is sufficient to keep attracting customers...perhaps they d
37 OA260 : Thanks Cambrian you are well informed and a great trip report!! People bash OA because they have nothing else to do with their lives!!! I fly OA more
38 Cambrian : It sounds like you work for BA? I do think that BA, and some of their crew especially, feel that reputation alone is enough to keep passengers loyal.
39 Anax : Cambrian that was an excellent report. Objective and up to the point. It is true , that despite all the problems , OA is still offering a very good pr
40 Post contains images Sketty222 : Well I did Geography at both A-level and University and I think that you would have been flamed by lecturers with a comment like that. My first exam
41 BMED : I'm at uni doing geography teaching and I think thats a bit of a wild statement to come out with!
42 8herveg : Can I ask how old you are? Because things have changed since the days where you only had to answer 'What is the capital of America?' Alot of my frien
43 Phxtravelboy : Oh my god!! ANOTHER post from 8herveg. Man, you post on here EVERY single day. You must love having your name all over here. Your posts are always "wh
44 8herveg : Just interested in learning about aviation thats all. And perhaps one of the reasons also, is because it wasn't till the 22nd reply that I got a dece
45 Post contains images Sketty222 : I am 25years young so it wasnt that long ago Is reply 22 not your reply??? Lee
46 CYatUK : Many people seem to agree that showing or not of a movie on BA aircraft to some destinations depends on the specific aircraft operating the flight on
47 Post contains images David L : Sounds like the geography I did at school many, many years. In studying a country or region you'd get to know the capitals but it was hardly the main
48 BAStew : IFE is offered on those short-haul flights where the market demands them and competing airlines offer them. For example SU has IFE on flights to DME,
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