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MAS To Reduce Fleet And Routes.  
User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4484 posts, RR: 5
Posted (14 years 4 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3333 times:

It was reported in this weeks Aviation Week and Space Technology that MAS is going to undergo a massive restructuring. Their 16 strong fleet of 747-400s will be cut in half to 8 airframes. The 777-200ERs will see their numbers reduced from 11 to 8 also. The 737-300/400 fleet will be reduced by one airframe to 36. A330-300s will be reduced from 11 to 8 and the Fokker F50s will be drastically reduced from 10 to 4. The 8 747-400s that are be taken out of the fleet will be leased out. The 777s will be returned to lessors. The F50s are to be sold. Unfortunately it does not say what will become of the 3 A330-300s that will be withdrawn from the fleet.

Several routes will also be aletered or suspended. The list includes Frankfurt, Rome, Paris, Vienna, Manchester, Zurich and Munich. The Kuala Lumpur-London Heathrow code-share with Virgin will stay intact.

So, there you have it. A carrier that in the past few months seemed destined to order either the 737NGs or A32Xs along with the 777LRs or A340NGs is now reducing its fleet. While I wouldn't bet the house on it, I don't forsee them ordering the A3XX anytime soon.

"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
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User currently offlineB737-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (14 years 4 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3090 times:

Wow, they seriously want to cut many of these European flights ? THat is tough.
Is it because they are not making a lot of money on these flights ?

Rgds, B737-700

User currently offline9A-CRO From Croatia, joined Jun 2000, 1574 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (14 years 4 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3073 times:

I hope they will overcome the difficulties
and I hope they won't dump their Zagreb leg on Vienna route

When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward...
User currently offlineAFa340-300E From France, joined May 1999, 2084 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (14 years 4 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3055 times:

Hello CX747,

I can't see anything about that article on their website. Is it only available on paper copies please?

Thank you,

Best regards,
Alain Mengus

User currently offlineAvion From Bouvet Island, joined May 1999, 2205 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (14 years 4 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3047 times:

That is a joke!!!


User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6711 posts, RR: 55
Reply 5, posted (14 years 4 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3033 times:

This is not a joke!! CX747 is a respected user and I just got the same Aviation Week in my hand and I just also read the article. It's a bit surprising but I've heard more weird things before. The article also mentioned that the may stop flights to LAX. I'm not sure if all of the mentioned downscaling is decided yet or only being contemplated at this time. The info on Aviation Week is on a secured server so I can't post here for you. The777Man

Need a Boeing 777 Firing Order....Further to fly....CI, MU, LX and LH 777s
User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (14 years 4 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3016 times:

LAX? I would imagine the NRT flights from there are very profitabe.

Aaron G.

User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6711 posts, RR: 55
Reply 7, posted (14 years 4 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3013 times:

That's what the article said. There's a lot of competition on LAX-NRT and MH doesn't fly it daily, they also fly via TPE to KUL at night. Perhaps they will reconsider and fly 777s to LAX daily via TPE ? The777Man

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User currently offlineSR3496 From Switzerland, joined May 2000, 792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (14 years 4 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2975 times:

If this happen, then can really close the KLIA. It would be too big. But I don't belive this news, even when it is written it this Aviation News. It must be wrong!

User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4484 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (14 years 4 months 1 day ago) and read 2980 times:

AFa340-300E: I got this information from my "paper" copy of Aviation Week and Space Technology.

Avion: No, this is not a joke. As stated above, it comes directly from Aviation Week and Space Technology, Vol 153, No. 19, November 6, 2000 pg 41

Trvlr: The article states, "The daily Kuala Lumpur-Los Angeles service, once seen as a "gold mine" route, would terminate in Tokyo three times a week and in Taipei four times weekly, with ongoing service operated on a code-share basis with Northwest Airlines, which operates Kuala Lumpur-Kansai services three times weekly with connections to more than 200 cities in the U.S."

"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
User currently offlinePhileo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (14 years 4 months 23 hours ago) and read 2966 times:

Quite a confliting article from Aviation Week and Space Technology. I have no idea where they get the news from. By the way, the only route and fleet reduction I could really accept will be for the Domestic route with B734/5. However, this will not results in significant impact due to the extra service with larger aircraft during the festival seasons.

I have no idea why MAS want to cut their European route (except Amsterdam and Londan). As far as I concerned, they have been trying to get extra landing slot in Paris but fail to do so for years. Beside that, they also increase their capacity for manchester from B777 to B747 with the plan to increase frequency. If they are losing money on these route, why they want to cut it?

Talking about route/frequency reduction strategy, it totally oppposite as what happenned in Australia. From this July 12, MAS has increased it frequency to Perth from 12 to 14, all with B777 (they used to have some A330 on the Morning flight from Perth). Beside that, they have been advertised so much in the local newspaper (The WestAustralian).

If MAS want to cut route and frequency, it will be even more uncompetitive as compared to it's main rival SIA. Maybe MAS has been loosing all it's customers to SIA, but I'm pretty sure the reasons is because of higher ticket price charged by MAS (normally at least 10% higher) while for business travellers, SIA provides more appealing premium products and services with the comprehensive timetable and members of the Star Alliance as well.

Just some of the personal though as a Malaysian...

User currently offlineSteman From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 1412 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (14 years 4 months 22 hours ago) and read 2951 times:

if they will drop the Rome-Kuala Lumpur flight in code share with Alitalia, then AZ will have to do the flight on its own: they'll drop it too.


User currently offlineRyu2 From Taiwan, joined Aug 2002, 500 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (14 years 4 months 22 hours ago) and read 2940 times:

How about their other US service, EWR-Dubai-KL? Any word on whether that will that get cut?

User currently offlineSQ777 From Singapore, joined May 1999, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (14 years 4 months 19 hours ago) and read 2919 times:

Personally, I feel that MAS has the following problems :

1) Fly to too many destinations twice or three times a week.

2) Have too many different type of aircraft. For example, I use to fly KUL - BKK, sometime it is a 737, sometime it can be a 777 or A330.

3) Not in a major alliances - e.g. Star or One world.

4) Inconsistent timetable - e.g. their KUL - LAX sector. on certain day, it departs in the day, while on some day it departs at night.

5) Poor working attitude of their staffs at KLIA. They spend more time talking and having fun with each other than serving the customers.

User currently offlineBibeb From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (14 years 4 months 16 hours ago) and read 2902 times:

I agree on some points with SQ777. MAS should really join an alliance ASAP and use that in their branding, because at this moment, they cannot differentiate from other airlines. Everybody knows SIA/CX and their products, but after that, nobody knows the difference between Thai, Garuda, MAS and Philippines.
Together with partners, they can offer daily flights to busy destinations. So twice daily to AMS with KL and then connecting on KL flights through Europe, twice-daily to LHR with VS. They should keep their widebodies and only use them on thrunk routes. BTW, EWR route is doing good.
Perfect alliance partners are KL/NW, VS (although attched to SIA).

User currently offlineG-KIRAN From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2000, 736 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (14 years 4 months 13 hours ago) and read 2879 times:

I agree with SQ777 about the staff at KLIA.Most of them are so arrogant and cocky that it really annoys you.This is also ture about the immigration and customs personal as well.When compared to Changi,KLIA has a better environment due to the fact that it was recently built,but the staff there pull the image of the airport down.
As for MAS they really need to join a major alliance instead of forming code-shares with airlines.This could be the reason why MAS is losing out to THAI,Cathay and SIA as they belong to major alliances and thus they have access to thousands of passengers.
Another point about KLIA I have to bring up is that everytime I go there which is about once every month the airport is virtually empty with only domestic and singapore flights.Whats going on?

User currently offlineBilly From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2000, 895 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (14 years 4 months 12 hours ago) and read 2868 times:

I do not know where Bibeb gets his EWR info from, but the EWR flight is very unprofitable for MAS. Expect it to be cut or rerouted.

User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (14 years 4 months 11 hours ago) and read 2863 times:

I simply cannot believe they are cutting their flight to MAN. They started flying the 7772ER, and then upgraded to 744, and now they are chopping the route? If this is true, they really need to think more carefully at the planning stage it appears.

And Phileo, why would MH want to cut their London flights?? Especially when BA has pulled out?

User currently offlineLH738 From Germany, joined Nov 2000, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (14 years 4 months 11 hours ago) and read 2858 times:

MAS is in no alliance and so they have problems in countries with a strong national airline. E.g. in Germany the Miles & More awards system attracts the business travelers (who will prefer a star alliance flight). They will mainly get tourists from these countries and their business or even first class seats remain empty.

User currently offlineLxlgu From South Africa, joined Sep 2000, 1085 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (14 years 4 months 11 hours ago) and read 2850 times:

I spoke to Johannesburg office of MAS this morning
and they expect JNB KUL to be daily as of 01April 2001.
The route is always fully booked and we battle to get
seats.I would think maybe the continuation to Buenos
Aires may be cancelled


User currently offlineJr From United States of America, joined May 1999, 970 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (14 years 4 months 10 hours ago) and read 2847 times:

Is MAS state owned or do they just have bad management? May be they should join skyteam and let DL help sort things out. Isn't delta looking for another asian partner?

I've flown on 9V-SPK.
User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 25039 posts, RR: 56
Reply 21, posted (14 years 4 months 7 hours ago) and read 2819 times:

What a load of BS that is !!! The MAN route is very successful so why would they want to stop it, hell Ive even heard that they are going to increase freq to daily in the future.

When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6711 posts, RR: 55
Reply 22, posted (14 years 4 months 6 hours ago) and read 2809 times:

I agree a lot with SQ777 and think that MH should concentrate on fewer cities in Europe, but increase frequency to the ones they keep. I think they should get rid of ZRH, VIE and MAN. They could serve MAN thru LHR or AMS with codeshare and similiar to the other cities. I'm also surprised that EWR wasn't mentioned. I also think daily service to JNB seems like a great idea. I also think MH should fly daily KUL-TPE-LAX and discontinue LAX-NRT. I'm also surprised about this article and that we haven't heard anything before about this. Time will tell. The777Man

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User currently offlineAvion From Bouvet Island, joined May 1999, 2205 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (14 years 4 months 6 hours ago) and read 2796 times:

I dont think Zurich gets cancelled. The 777 flight is 6x times a week and runs at 87%.


User currently onlineOO-VEG From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 1148 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (14 years 4 months 6 hours ago) and read 2789 times:

MAS definately needs a European partner and because MAS already has code-shared flights with KLM between MAS and KUL (recently they also added code-share destinations to Europe and the Pacific) it may be a logical step for MAS to join the KLM/NWA alliance.
KLIA could be a nice Asia-hub for NWA and KLM because of so much free slots while MAS will get a much stronger position in Europe and the USA.

What do you think of it?

25 Lamyl_hhlco : If they do such a thing, is that they might be in real finacial difficulties, and they are probably expect more on the code share with Virgin ...it's
26 Mas777 : Whilst it may be true that MAS is looking to reduce its 747-400 fleet - this move may be a means to generate cash and reverse its balance sheet. Altho
27 Megatop747-412 : Yeah - Mas777 is right about the difficult position facing MAS from the day MSA split into SIA and MAS. Altho I'm not an MAS fan either, I think they'
28 Capt.Picard : Thanks MAS777 and Megatop747. Regarding the MAN issue, I was surprised that MAS even served this airport; subsequent upgrading to 744 equipment really
29 Megatop747-412 : Hi Capt.Picard: I was actually quite surprised to find that MH operated to MAN a while ago (think it started in 1998/1999) - I manahed to get hold of
30 Phileo : To Cap.Picard, I NEVER mentioned in my post that "MAS want to cut their London route'. Please read my post carefully and examine your statement. Regar
31 G-KIRAN : MAS needs to build up their world image.I presume to most travellers SIA is the logical choice to KUL as most of them have never heard of MAS.MAS also
32 PerthGloryFan : It seems to me that MH are trying to decide what sort of airline they want to be. Right from the start SQ and CX were international carriers and so de
33 GKirk : I thought the MAN route had high pax loads each time? Maybe they could just downgrade it to a 777 instead of dropping it altogether?
34 Capt.Picard : Apologies Phileo, I misread your post.
35 Mas777 : There doesn't seem to be much of a follow up on this story by MAS or any other publication...
36 The777Man : The schedule for MH flights from LAX to KUL is zeroed out in availability from 1 Apr 01 and onwards in Apollo. The flight is still there but I think i
37 Na : Just for information: An article about Malaysia reducing its fleet (with the same figures as above) was also published in this months "World Airline F
38 Mas777 : According to American Express - only certain services are cancelled during April 2001 as Malaysia Airlines will be altering its schedule to LAX that m
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